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Ian1779

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,406
CCFCSteve said:
Fair point Ian...boozers and gyms are shut though...two key components in my life
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I know - 2 areas where transmission was far less...
 
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hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,407
David O'Day said:
Change? This was a direct reply to you and BSB.
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Making it as if being shocked about what’s happening makes a difference or not.
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,408
chiefdave said:
Does anyone really see them going through with the threat to block exports. Imagine you're the country whose order is blocked because the EU want to jump the queue, are you just going to shrug your shoulders and say OK. Look what happened when there was even a rumour that India was planning to do similar, huge pressure was put on them and they very quickly had to come out and say it wouldn't happen.
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Hopefully unlikely. Wouldn’t put it past macron if he’s under pressure
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,409
Ian1779 said:
Do you think it not being a proper lockdown will drag this along further?
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Undoubtedly but do think it'd be slow regardless. There were 81542 cases by specimen date as of 29th Dec. 29544 last Fridaym (22nd Jan) which is a reduction of 63% in 24 days.

Look at the data from the first proper lockdown, 7th April peak at 5437. It wasn't until 17th May that cases dropped by 63% from that figure.

That said, not a particularly exact science as the acuity of the cases in the numbers from the first peak is entirely different to those from the second.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,410
David O'Day said:
France probably as well
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Given Macron has rubbished the AZ vaccine today to an already vaccine sceptic french public, why would he bother?
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,411
fernandopartridge said:
Given Macron has rubbished the AZ vaccine today to an already vaccine sceptic french public, why would he bother?
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Really, I’d not seen that.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,412
CCFCSteve said:
Really, I’d not seen that.
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Sorry - for the over 65s he says "Everything suggests that it is almost ineffective for those over 65, and some say over 60..."
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,413
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fernandopartridge said:
Sorry - for the over 65s he says "Everything suggests that it is almost ineffective for those over 65, and some say over 60..."
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Funny the EU has granted approval for all ages
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,414
fernandopartridge said:
Sorry - for the over 65s he says "Everything suggests that it is almost ineffective for those over 65, and some say over 60..."
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Just googled. WTF !!! Nobody has said it’s ineffective previously, just not enough data (even EMA said protection is expected). Germany and Frances response is unusual to say the least, either they know something we don’t or there are other things at play here

From Politico.

PARIS — French President Emmanual Macron said Friday the AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine appeared to be “quasi-ineffective” on people older than 65 — just hours before the EU’s drugs regulator approved it for use on all adults.

“The real problem on AstraZeneca is that it doesn’t work the way we were expecting it to,” Macron told a group of reporters, including POLITICO, in Paris. “We’re waiting for the EMA [European Medicines Agency] results, but today everything points to thinking it is quasi-ineffective on people older than 65, some say those 60 years or older.”

Later in the day, the EMA gave the vaccine the green light. It said: “There are not yet enough results in older participants (over 55 years old) to provide a figure for how well the vaccine will work in this group. However, protection is expected, given that an immune response is seen in this age group and based on experience with other vaccines; as there is reliable information on safety in this population, EMA’s scientific experts considered that the vaccine can be used in older adults.”
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,415
Amongst all the shit news 15% of the population have had at least 1 jab now

 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,416
Liquid Gold said:
Amongst all the shit news 15% of the population have had at least 1 jab now

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Why you posting magnet pics dude
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,417
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Why you posting magnet pics dude
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huh?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,418
Liquid Gold said:
huh?
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The second graph looks like a horseshoe magnet?
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,419
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The second graph looks like a horseshoe magnet?
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Completely missed that. I'm tired.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,420
GF had her second dose last Sunday, already been invited to an inevitable 6 course lunch at her grandmother’s tomorrow.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,421
fernandopartridge said:
Given Macron has rubbished the AZ vaccine today to an already vaccine sceptic french public, why would he bother?
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Gets to keep the Pfizer vaccines that will be made by Sanofi
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,422
CCFCSteve said:
Just googled. WTF !!! Nobody has said it’s ineffective previously, just not enough data (even EMA said protection is expected). Germany and Frances response is unusual to say the least, either they know something we don’t or there are other things at play here

From Politico.

PARIS — French President Emmanual Macron said Friday the AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine appeared to be “quasi-ineffective” on people older than 65 — just hours before the EU’s drugs regulator approved it for use on all adults.

“The real problem on AstraZeneca is that it doesn’t work the way we were expecting it to,” Macron told a group of reporters, including POLITICO, in Paris. “We’re waiting for the EMA [European Medicines Agency] results, but today everything points to thinking it is quasi-ineffective on people older than 65, some say those 60 years or older.”

Later in the day, the EMA gave the vaccine the green light. It said: “There are not yet enough results in older participants (over 55 years old) to provide a figure for how well the vaccine will work in this group. However, protection is expected, given that an immune response is seen in this age group and based on experience with other vaccines; as there is reliable information on safety in this population, EMA’s scientific experts considered that the vaccine can be used in older adults.”
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I'm struggling with the fuss they're making over supply if they don't think it's any good.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,423
clint van damme said:
I'm struggling with the fuss they're making over supply if they don't think it's any good.
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To be fair the Koch Institute are don't saying it isn't effective just that they don't believe enough data on the over 65s was included by AZ/OBM
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,424
EU invoking NI Article 16 Brexit deal terms to stop vaccine reaching the mainland

Brexit: EU introduces controls on vaccines to NI - BBC News
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,425
Thread on it here

 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,426
Bloody hell. This is becoming a real shit storm now.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,427
Sky Blue Pete said:
Always worries me when no deaths are announced on John Hopkins

brother in laws dad and friend from church both in itu at uhcw

Friend from church wife died last week heart attack after severe Covid. Praying their kids don’t lose both mum and dad in a fortnight

only mid 50’s. Kids in their 20’s bless them

Feeling emotional
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You're not alone mate, remember that. They'll be people everywhere being able to empathise and sypathise with everything you just said.

Just gotta keep our heads up a bit longer. Before you know it we'll be back in the stadium having a beer and booing the referee.
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,428
Brighton Sky Blue said:
EU banning exports of vaccine to NI in bid to stop it reaching Britain
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Yeah, just heard. was going to send a longer response but this emoji probably sums it up as well
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,429
The DUP have been asking for article 16 to be invoked for weeks.

Well, you got it.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,430
fortunately so far none of the silly rhetoric we heard surrounding the fishing industry, gun boats in channel etc.
Time for the government to keep cool heads and act the grown ups for once while the EU make an absolute arse of it.

Keeping this vaccine roll out on track is the most important thing.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,431
PVA said:
The DUP have been asking for article 16 to be invoked for weeks.

Well, you got it.
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You're giving the EU equivalence to the DUP now?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,432
clint van damme said:
fortunately so far none of the silly rhetoric we heard surrounding the fishing industry, gun boats in channel etc.
Time for the government to keep cool heads and act the grown ups for once while the EU make an absolute arse of it.

Keeping this vaccine roll out on track is the most important thing.
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Apparently the Republic unhappy with the EU's handling as well
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,433
fernandopartridge said:
You're giving the EU equivalence to the DUP now?
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No just thought it was worth pointing out that the DUP are kicking off about something they've been trying for weeks.

Wouldn't expect anything else from those hypocritical weasels though.
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,434
clint van damme said:
fortunately so far none of the silly rhetoric we heard surrounding the fishing industry, gun boats in channel etc.
Time for the government to keep cool heads and act the grown ups for once while the EU make an absolute arse of it.

Keeping this vaccine roll out on track is the most important thing.
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Exactly what I was thinking Clint. No need to get drawn into it all unless there is an actual export ban.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,435
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Apparently the Republic unhappy with the EU's handling as well
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They are unhappy with the invoking of article 16 which puts a temp hard border in Ireland.

That is what they are unhappy with
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,436
CCFCSteve said:
Exactly what I was thinking Clint. No need to get drawn into it all unless there is an actual export ban.
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Yes they really don't need to do anything. This is an open goal for them, just incredible PR for them without having to do anything.

Wouldn't be surprised though if they get greedy and tried to get even more out of it and do end up getting dragged into it.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,437
PVA said:
No just thought it was worth pointing out that the DUP are kicking off about something they've been trying for weeks.

Wouldn't expect anything else from those hypocritical weasels though.
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They were trying to get a block on vaccines reaching Britain through NI? Eh?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,438
David O'Day said:
They are unhappy with the invoking of article 16 which puts a temp hard border in Ireland.

That is what they are unhappy with
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Yes so what I said is correct
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,439
CCFCSteve said:
Exactly what I was thinking Clint. No need to get drawn into it all unless there is an actual export ban.
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What can we do though if they take the next step from the controls they have enacted today?
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,440
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Yes so what I said is correct
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No as you were painting them as unhappy at everything the EU has done.
 
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