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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,336
Grendel said:
This is classic eu federalism

Every member is straight armed into agreeing an en bloc decision and that decision will always then be there to benefit the strong nations in the cartel and the weaker ones are just told to stand at the back of the queue and be pummelled into submission

Still morons like Tony Robinson the other day were still slobbering over the EU and saying it’s not fair they are missing out as they care more about their citizens than rush through a vaccine that may have issues with it

It was then revealed he’d already had the vaccine
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Maybe he's got a cunning plan
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,337
Grendel said:
As I said there is an unwritten rule in the club and any that step out of line will be warned of the consequences. Germany pulls Brussels strings and any who step out do so at their peril.
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Merkel leading the tanks into Estonia if they emergency approved?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,338
fernandopartridge said:
That's a separate point from the bulk procurement.
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Not really any of the states can give emergency access ahead of EU wide licensing.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,339
Grendel said:
As I said there is an unwritten rule in the club and any that step out of line will be warned of the consequences. Germany pulls Brussels strings and any who step out do so at their peril.
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Exactly correct.

People can play semantics all they want, if we were still in the EU we would have been pushed in that direction as well. The fact we aren't is exactly why we are months ahead of other countries. Anyone trying to say brexit didn't play a part needs to give their head a wobble, but I expect they know the truth deep down.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,340
The EU have now taken the AstraZeneca contract offline.

Oh dear.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,341
Brazil 212m population have 6m vaccines ordered.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,342
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Exactly correct.

People can play semantics all they want, if we were still in the EU we would have been pushed in that direction as well. The fact we aren't is exactly why we are months ahead of other countries. Anyone trying to say brexit didn't play a part needs to give their head a wobble, but I expect they know the truth deep down.
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Yes and no, but the member states have always been able to get the vaccines in early.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,343
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Yes and no, but the member states have always been able to get the vaccines in early.
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Grendel

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,344
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Merkel leading the tanks into Estonia if they emergency approved?
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No just making sure they are aware any eu support for projects and any German manufacture Contracts may disappear - it’s what many of us have known about the Eu for years. It’s a fourth reich not of military might but economic dominance
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,345
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
View attachment 18464
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I’m not wrong though am I?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,346
Grendel said:
No just making sure they are aware any eu support for projects and any German manufacture Contracts may disappear - it’s what many of us have known about the Eu for years. It’s a fourth reich not of military might but economic dominance
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Haha back to the 4th Reich again
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,347
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Exactly correct.

People can play semantics all they want, if we were still in the EU we would have been pushed in that direction as well. The fact we aren't is exactly why we are months ahead of other countries. Anyone trying to say brexit didn't play a part needs to give their head a wobble, but I expect they know the truth deep down.
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You haven't responded to me pointing out this is false in the EU thread so I'll say it again.

It's false. As Brighton Sky Blue has pointed out.

It has nothing to do with Brexit and we could have gotten the vaccines early if we were still in the EU.

Don't believe everything Matt Hancock tells you.
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,348
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Haha back to the 4th Reich again
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Utterly pathetic. Spoken like a true flag shagger. Not surprising coming from him though. We all know what he thinks of foreigners, Europeans in particular.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,349
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
The EU have now taken the AstraZeneca contract offline.

Oh dear.
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SBT has a copy though
 

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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,350
PVA said:
Utterly pathetic. Spoken like a true flag shagger. Not surprising coming from him though. We all know what he thinks of foreigners, Europeans in particular.
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I’m sure without googling he can tell me what the first two reichs were about
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,351
fernandopartridge said:
SBT has a copy though
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SBT is probably the best place to go to for legal understanding.

With all the shit we have had with SISU over the years I think we are considerably more qualified than your average folk!
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,352
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Exactly correct.

People can play semantics all they want, if we were still in the EU we would have been pushed in that direction as well. The fact we aren't is exactly why we are months ahead of other countries. Anyone trying to say brexit didn't play a part needs to give their head a wobble, but I expect they know the truth deep down.
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We would have secured an opt out as we tended to do for most other things.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,353
PVA said:
You haven't responded to me pointing out this is false in the EU thread so I'll say it again.

It's false. As Brighton Sky Blue has pointed out.

It has nothing to do with Brexit and we could have gotten the vaccines early if we were still in the EU.

Don't believe everything Matt Hancock tells you.
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I stopped replying on that thread because people were getting a little bit shouty, although now I am seeing them starting to come round to what I was trying to say. You are making yourself look more and more silly though.

As I said, you can play semantics all you want. If we were still in the EU, there is no chance we would be in the same position as we are now for a multitude of reasons, some of which Grendel has explained on this very page.
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,354
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I stopped replying on that thread because people were getting a little bit shouty, although now I am seeing them starting to come round to what I was trying to say. You are making yourself look more and more silly though.

As I said, you can play semantics all you want. If we were still in the EU, there is no chance we would be in the same position as we are now for a multitude of reasons, some of which Grendel has explained on this very page.
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You claimed " The reason we were able to go faster was because we were not part of the EMA APA, which prevents EU participants from procuring outside of EMA approval. Why weren't we? Brexit."

This is false. I'm not playing semantics, what you have said is false.

I'm not making myself look silly by pointing out facts (though actually maybe that is considered silly by Leavers).
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,355
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I stopped replying on that thread because people were getting a little bit shouty, although now I am seeing them starting to come round to what I was trying to say. You are making yourself look more and more silly though.

As I said, you can play semantics all you want. If we were still in the EU, there is no chance we would be in the same position as we are now for a multitude of reasons, some of which Grendel has explained on this very page.
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They aren’t semantics we used emergency approval to start issuing an unlicensed vaccine, same as any EU state could do. Where you should be focussing though is that the EMA will take longer to approve than the MHRA, because of the sprawling beauracracy
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,356
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I’m not wrong though am I?
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You're not. I don't quite see why people are so desperate to suggest you are...
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,357
Anyone else completely and utterly sick of lockdown now?
 
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Otis

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,358
clint van damme said:
Prisons minister on BBC this morning:

'The government has been totally transparent through out This pandemic'

How many people have died of covid in prison?

'I have those figures but we're not putting them in the public domain'

Fucking hell. She's a government minister.
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I know someone who works for the prison service. She doesn't know how many exactly, but says it is a lot.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,359
fernandopartridge said:
SBT has a copy though
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The contract was under an NDA that AZ haven't waived
 

Skybluefaz

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,360
Ccfcisparks said:
Anyone else completely and utterly sick of lockdown now?
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Yes, I'm exhausted with it tbh.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,361
The Janssen single dose sounds promising


Belgian company though
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,362
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I’m sure without googling he can tell me what the first two reichs were about
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I'm pretty sure one was something to do with Scooby Doo being scared wasn't it?
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,363
I would like my vaccine as soon as possible and if that means somebody in Europe missing out so be it, I am happy to be selfish on this, we seem to be fairly organised and the eu held back by people in office who will make sure they get theirs quickly.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,364
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I’m sure without googling he can tell me what the first two reichs were about
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Reichs are empires so it’s not hard to work out.

Also of course many countries in the iron curtain had parliaments and autonomy as well...
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,365
I think Tony Robinson is actually PVA
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,366
Terry Gibson's perm said:
I would like my vaccine as soon as possible and if that means somebody in Europe missing out so be it, I am happy to be selfish on this, we seem to be fairly organised and the eu held back by people in office who will make sure they get theirs quickly.
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No the EU are being held back by a lower than expected yield in the bioreactor of an AZ plant in Belgium.

Whatever your opinions on their actions let's try and keep this truthful and not get all faragey about this.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,367
Grendel said:
Reichs are empires so it’s not hard to work out.

Also of course many countries in the iron curtain had parliaments and autonomy as well...
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I think you will agree that most connotations of ‘reich’ are due with a certain toothbrush moustache fellow and probably not with Charlemagne...
 

David O'Day

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,368
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I think you will agree that most connotations of ‘reich’ are due with a certain toothbrush moustache fellow and probably not with Charlemagne...
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Yeah 99.9% of the time if you say Reich you aren't alluding to the Holy Roman Empire or Imperial German Empire
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,369
David O'Day said:
No the EU are being held back by a lower than expected yield in the bioreactor of an AZ plant in Belgium.

Whatever your opinions on their actions let's try and keep this truthful and not get all faragey about this.
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If they had it tomorrow are they ready to start using it then?

This whole thing he has been a farce here
but the vaccine seems to be something they have got right up to now.
 

David O'Day

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  • Jan 29, 2021
  • #41,370
Terry Gibson's perm said:
If they had it tomorrow are they ready to start using it then?

This whole thing he has been a farce here
but the vaccine seems to be something they have got right up to now.
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That's not the issue they have is it. It's about the the amount the will received during the whole of Q1 2021 not what they have been delivered up to now.
 
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