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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 13, 2021
  • #40,076
Johnnythespider said:
Or sorting the wheat from the chaff as somebody said to me today, this from somebody who's wife has a relative on a ventilator
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Yep those kinds of comments. Beggars belief.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jan 13, 2021
  • #40,077
CCFCSteve said:
Hopefully AZ can increase to more than 2m per week as well, however, I’ve never seen any comments on what the maximum they plan to produce and/or whether supply to us is impacted by commitments to other nations.
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
We will be at the top of the queue because we got the most orders in, and approval, first
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We agreed to pay for the doses we'd ordered months before they even knew it worked let alone got approval to ensure they would be able to get mass production up and running so we're definitely at the front of the queue.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Jan 13, 2021
  • #40,078
chiefdave said:
We agreed to pay for the doses we'd ordered months before they even knew it worked let alone got approval to ensure they would be able to get mass production up and running so we're definitely at the front of the queue.
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The AZ vaccine is also made in the UK

so when will we hit 2k deaths a day?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 13, 2021
  • #40,079
David O'Day said:
The AZ vaccine is also made in the UK

so when will we hit 2k deaths a day?
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This time next week
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 13, 2021
  • #40,080
chiefdave said:
We agreed to pay for the doses we'd ordered months before they even knew it worked let alone got approval to ensure they would be able to get mass production up and running so we're definitely at the front of the queue.
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Yeah, I thought we’d be front of the queue but didn’t know to what extent. For example would AZ need to produce all of our 100m doses before anyone else gets any ? pretty sure I’d also heard/read AZ will set your manufacturing hubs in Europe so maybe UK manufacturing is just for us. Without wanting to sound selfish, I hope so. But not heard what the aim is for the maximum production is here ie is 2m per week the capacity ?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 13, 2021
  • #40,081
4470 deaths in the last 24hrs in USA yesterday . Wow
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 13, 2021
  • #40,082
Sky Blue Pete said:
4470 deaths in the last 24hrs in USA yesterday . Wow
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Given the population size per capita we've done a lot worse
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 13, 2021
  • #40,083
fernandopartridge said:
Given the population size per capita we've done a lot worse
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If you trust the figures on John Hopkins we are 1245 they are 1170 or so deaths per 100000 so just over 1 in 1000 deaths or 0.1% of the population
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 13, 2021
  • #40,084
ROI curve post lockdown is interesting

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ireland-covid-curve/2021/01/11/aeb08592-51cc-11eb-a1f5-fdaf28cfca90_story.html%3foutputType=amp
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 13, 2021
  • #40,085
Sky Blue Pete said:
If you trust the figures on John Hopkins we are 1245 they are 1170 or so deaths per 100000 so just over 1 in 1000 deaths or 0.1% of the population
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Our numbers today are equivalent to 6k+ in the USA and we're not even at the peak of it
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 13, 2021
  • #40,086
fernandopartridge said:
Our numbers today are equivalent to 6k+ in the USA and we're not even at the peak of it
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Agreed
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 13, 2021
  • #40,087
Grendel said:
ROI curve post lockdown is interesting

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ireland-covid-curve/2021/01/11/aeb08592-51cc-11eb-a1f5-fdaf28cfca90_story.html%3foutputType=amp
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The Irish rules for Christmas seemed liberal even for pre-coronavirus times!

Ireland Christmas dinner rules: Number of people, safety measures and more

The complete guide for staying safe and following the rues this Christmas
www.irishmirror.ie
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 13, 2021
  • #40,088
Grendel said:
ROI curve post lockdown is interesting

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ireland-covid-curve/2021/01/11/aeb08592-51cc-11eb-a1f5-fdaf28cfca90_story.html%3foutputType=amp
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This stands out to me:

'He also said Ireland, as well as Britain, have paid the price for being among the few places in the world without tight controls on airports and ports. Both have announced tougher restrictions in recent days, with air passengers being required to show a negative test taken up to 72 hours before departure.
Scally said, too, that Ireland hasn’t taken advantage of its island status the way places such as New Zealand and Taiwan have.'
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 13, 2021
  • #40,089
Brighton Sky Blue said:
This stands out to me:

'He also said Ireland, as well as Britain, have paid the price for being among the few places in the world without tight controls on airports and ports. Both have announced tougher restrictions in recent days, with air passengers being required to show a negative test taken up to 72 hours before departure.
Scally said, too, that Ireland hasn’t taken advantage of its island status the way places such as New Zealand and Taiwan have.'
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I can’t be bothered to discuss island status but a comparison to Taiwan is ridiculous
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 13, 2021
  • #40,090
Brighton Sky Blue said:
This stands out to me:

'He also said Ireland, as well as Britain, have paid the price for being among the few places in the world without tight controls on airports and ports. Both have announced tougher restrictions in recent days, with air passengers being required to show a negative test taken up to 72 hours before departure.
Scally said, too, that Ireland hasn’t taken advantage of its island status the way places such as New Zealand and Taiwan have.'
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Ireland have had a quarantine order on people coming from the UK, seems obvious that people have gone home for Christmas, particularly from London and spread it around
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 13, 2021
  • #40,091
Grendel said:
I can’t be bothered to discuss island status but a comparison to Taiwan is ridiculous
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Really how about Australia and NZ?
 

Grendel

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  • Jan 13, 2021
  • #40,092
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Really how about Australia and NZ?
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they are massively different to us
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 13, 2021
  • #40,093
Grendel said:
they are massively different to us
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Fail to see how and besides the quote came from an article you’re trying to use to criticise the Irish approach
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 14, 2021
  • #40,094
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Fail to see how and besides the quote came from an article you’re trying to use to criticise the Irish approach
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Population density
Requirements for airports to stay operational - we are a hub for cross global travel - I doubt we’d legally have even been allowed to take such actions and divert fkoghts
Far greater necessity for shipments through ports

I bet the Isle of Man is ok as well - it’s an island as is the Scilly Isles
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 14, 2021
  • #40,095
Grendel said:
Population density
Requirements for airports to stay operational - we are a hub for cross global travel - I doubt we’d legally have even been allowed to take such actions and divert fkoghts
Far greater necessity for shipments through ports

I bet the Isle of Man is ok as well - it’s an island as is the Scilly Isles
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Just the kind of twaddle I would expect frome someone who says he doesn't understand what the term covid cases means.

So all countries can demand clear covid tests where the test was taken within the last 72 hours but it wouldn’t be legal for the UK to do so?

Yes we are an international hub. People travelling elsewhere are not the problem. Most of them already need a clear test and do not come away from the airports. Those travelling to the UK don't presently need a test so bring it into the UK.

Just one more occasion the Tories have got it badly wrong.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 14, 2021
  • #40,096
What confuses me a great deal is how catching and overcoming the actual virus confers seemingly less immunity than vaccines using attenuated mutant viruses or RNA vectors.
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Jan 14, 2021
  • #40,097
Brighton Sky Blue said:
What confuses me a great deal is how catching and overcoming the actual virus confers seemingly less immunity than vaccines using attenuated mutant viruses or RNA vectors.
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Is this very unusual then? Does overcoming a virus naturally, if that's the right word, usually provide the best length of immunity to a virus?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 14, 2021
  • #40,098
Brighton Sky Blue said:
What confuses me a great deal is how catching and overcoming the actual virus confers seemingly less immunity than vaccines using attenuated mutant viruses or RNA vectors.
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I guess we don't know how long immunity because of the vaccines will last, yet?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 14, 2021
  • #40,099
Skybluefaz said:
Is this very unusual then? Does overcoming a virus naturally, if that's the right word, usually provide the best length of immunity to a virus?
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Pretty much yeah, unless the virus mutates sufficiently. Hence you catch chicken pox just once but can get the cold every year.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 14, 2021
  • #40,100
Deleted member 5849 said:
I guess we don't know how long immunity because of the vaccines will last, yet?
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No, but the latest estimates seem to be about 5 months after recovering from COVID. Doesn’t seem long at all but tells me those booster jabs for the vaccines are essential
 
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  • Jan 14, 2021
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
No, but the latest estimates seem to be about 5 months after recovering from COVID. Doesn’t seem long at all but tells me those booster jabs for the vaccines are essential
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The report says at least five months, and that's the current length of the study. It might go up a lot for most people
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 14, 2021
  • #40,102
Deleted member 5849 said:
The report says at least five months, and that's the current length of the study. It might go up a lot for most people
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Hope so
 

We'll_live_and_die

Super Moderator
  • Jan 14, 2021
  • #40,103
Brighton Sky Blue said:
What confuses me a great deal is how catching and overcoming the actual virus confers seemingly less immunity than vaccines using attenuated mutant viruses or RNA vectors.
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I read something this morning that said recovering from the virus would give better protection to re-infection than the vaccine.

The study I read about watched something like 6500 people with only 44 catching it again. I think it said they were medical staff, so likely to become re-infected if it was possible.

*EDIT* It was on the DM but is a PHE study.

Previous coronavirus infection reduces reinfection risk by 83%

Data from Public Health England (PHE) comes from more than 20,000 healthcare workers at more than 100 sites across Britain to see how likely reinfection was.
www.dailymail.co.uk
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jan 14, 2021
  • #40,104
Grendel said:
Population density
Requirements for airports to stay operational - we are a hub for cross global travel - I doubt we’d legally have even been allowed to take such actions and divert fkoghts
Far greater necessity for shipments through ports

I bet the Isle of Man is ok as well - it’s an island as is the Scilly Isles
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Taiwan population density is over twice that of the U.K.. What requirement of airports? Who says anyone using it as a hub has to leave the airport complex? I’ve been to Dubai 4 times and am yet to leave the airport complex.
 

LastGarrison

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  • Jan 14, 2021
  • #40,105
skybluetony176 said:
Taiwan population density is over twice that of the U.K.. What requirement of airports? Who says anyone using it as a hub has to leave the airport complex? I’ve been to Dubai 4 times and am yet to leave the airport complex.
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Thoroughly nice airport so I can understand.

The last time I was there I saw Michelle Keegan who was on her hen do with all her mates. The embarrassing was I hadn't even clocked them and it took my Missus to point them out.

Completely unrelated to the topic but hey ho.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 14, 2021
  • #40,106
Rich said:
I read something this morning that said recovering from the virus would give better protection to re-infection than the vaccine.

The study I read about watched something like 6500 people with only 44 catching it again. I think it said they were medical staff, so likely to become re-infected if it was possible.

*EDIT* It was on the DM but is a PHE study.

Previous coronavirus infection reduces reinfection risk by 83%

Data from Public Health England (PHE) comes from more than 20,000 healthcare workers at more than 100 sites across Britain to see how likely reinfection was.
www.dailymail.co.uk
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That’s good
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jan 14, 2021
  • #40,107
Was curious so did a quick google for data on population density and how it relates to covid rates. Found this which would suggest the link isn't as great as you would think.



Coronavirus (COVID-19) Deaths

Explore data on COVID-19 deaths across the world.
ourworldindata.org
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 14, 2021
  • #40,108
Rich said:
I read something this morning that said recovering from the virus would give better protection to re-infection than the vaccine.

The study I read about watched something like 6500 people with only 44 catching it again. I think it said they were medical staff, so likely to become re-infected if it was possible.

*EDIT* It was on the DM but is a PHE study.

Previous coronavirus infection reduces reinfection risk by 83%

Data from Public Health England (PHE) comes from more than 20,000 healthcare workers at more than 100 sites across Britain to see how likely reinfection was.
www.dailymail.co.uk
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That's positive - was everybody subject to the same control though, i.e. exposed to a similar level risk of reinfection?
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 14, 2021
  • #40,109
chiefdave said:
Was curious so did a quick google for data on population density and how it relates to covid rates. Found this which would suggest the link isn't as great as you would think.

View attachment 18245

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Deaths

Explore data on COVID-19 deaths across the world.
ourworldindata.org
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The problem with population density on a country wide level is that it ignores the spread of people within that country, e.g. Canada is low population density but in any case, most of its population actually live in big city urban areas.
 
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We'll_live_and_die

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  • Jan 14, 2021
  • #40,110
fernandopartridge said:
That's positive - was everybody subject to the same control though, i.e. exposed to a similar level risk of reinfection?
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No but they were all healthcare workers I think, so highly likely to be exposed to it again.
 
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