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Macca

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  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,551
I’ve been into hospitals towards the end of visiting time particular the smaller ones and you won’t see a soul it’s normal. Edit wasn’t being creepy or noncey was actually visiting :-D
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,552
I was up Walsgrave with my daughter for an out patient appointment yesterday and it was as busy as usual.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,553
shmmeee said:
I saw they let the BBC into UCL wards. I’m glad they’re relaxing Those rules.
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It's all tightly controlled from the centre. I believe NHS Trusts are under a command and control from central gov, I think anything that goes out needs to be approved. Everything is about trying to reduce embarrassment for the government. I watched Chernobyl over Christmas, lots of themes in their chime with what's happening currently.
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,554
Nick said:
Surely heads need to roll for the whole Tier 2 thing? Somebody thought it was a good idea to let everybody do what they wanted.
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It was a borderline call but like with everything covid related, it looks worse with hindsight (and probably wouldn’t have been such an issue without new variant)

London in tougher Tier 2 coronavirus restrictions when lockdown ends

London escaped the toughest Covid-19 restrictions today with cases now falling in more than two-thirds of boroughs, according to official figures.
www.google.co.uk

I’m not saying this to defend the government but more the fact that I remember thinking at the time, if Birmingham could just get down to a transmission rate of 150 per 100k we could move to T2 after national lockdown ! People were saying the same about Manchester as well (pushing for T2)

The combo of the new variant plus Xmas indoor household mixing (winter weather) has well and truly fucked us. Could certain decisions have been made a 3-4 days earlier, probably, would it have made a huge difference with all the Xmas mixing, I don’t know but doubt it.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,555
It was common sense when they did it that it was madness, hindsight wasn't needed.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,556
tisza said:
Having used curfew etc. to get new infection numbers down here we've now got the inevitable Xmas "rules relaxation" spike as new infections apparently up over 300% over last few days.
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Not surprised unfortunately Tisza. For some reason people seem to think you can suppress transmission and it stays suppressed. Only way you can currently control it, especially in winter is by locking down and staying locked down (unless you can irradiate and keep out of country - NZ), and the more you do that, the more you fuck people’s lives up in different ways. It’s a massive balancing act for everyone at the moment
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,557
Nick said:
It was common sense when they did it that it was madness, hindsight wasn't needed.
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Have you read the article ?
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,558
CCFCSteve said:
It was a borderline call but like with everything covid related, it looks worse with hindsight (and probably wouldn’t have been such an issue without new variant)

London in tougher Tier 2 coronavirus restrictions when lockdown ends

London escaped the toughest Covid-19 restrictions today with cases now falling in more than two-thirds of boroughs, according to official figures.
www.google.co.uk

I’m not saying this to defend the government but more the fact that I remember thinking at the time, if Birmingham could just get down to a transmission rate of 150 per 100k we could move to T2 after national lockdown ! People were saying the same about Manchester as well (pushing for T2)

The combo of the new variant plus Xmas indoor household mixing (winter weather) has well and truly fucked us. Could certain decisions have been made a 3-4 days earlier, probably, would it have made a huge difference with all the Xmas mixing, I don’t know but doubt it.
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it was an awful decision at the time

if they wanted to treat the whole of london as one entity at the time the stats said london should of been in tier 3
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,559
CCFCSteve said:
Not surprised unfortunately Tisza. For some reason people seem to think you can suppress transmission and it stays suppressed. Only way you can currently control it, especially in winter is by locking down and staying locked down (unless you can irradiate and keep out of country - NZ), and the more you do that, the more you fuck people’s lives up in different ways. It’s a massive balancing act for everyone at the moment
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Quicker and harder you do it, the less time you have to do it for, however.

Yes, it'll always come back, but you have to move quickly when it's increasing and / or suppress it properly before opening up again. We fail on both, so we end up in this never-ending dripping tap effect.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,560
David O'Day said:
it was an awful decision at the time

if they wanted to treat the whole of london as one entity at the time the stats said london should of been in tier 3
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It’s a good point about treating it in one lump.

Ps just to be clear, I’m not saying it was the right decision (obviously not) but that it was borderline at the time as the article indicates (even suggested they should’ve have even been in national lockdown !) and certainly nobody at the time would’ve seen that as a precursor to the issues London’s facing now
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,561
Deleted member 5849 said:
Quicker and harder you do it, the less time you have to do it for, however.

Yes, it'll always come back, but you have to move quickly when it's increasing and / or suppress it properly before opening up again. We fail on both, so we end up in this never-ending dripping tap effect.
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Youd have to stay locked down during winter as most businesses can’t just switch on and off every couple of weeks and transmission is significantly increased due to indoor mixing so as soon as you relax rules it will spike massively (as Tisza has indicated)

Was also reading how the national lockdown actually caused spikes in a number of T2 areas (that had flat transmission rates at the time) as everyone went out !

ps would 100% agree about harder as in stricter for shorter periods, ensuring people followed restrictions but you’d still have the massive bounce as soon as restrictions are released....unless lockdowns been that long the numbers are tiny
 
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Brylowes

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  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,562
shmmeee said:
Nationalism rots your brain

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you’ll love this Shmmeee, brilliant satire!!! Or is it.

https://www.facebook.com/
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,563
Noticed this morning plenty of oldies queueing up for the vaccination centre around the corner from where I live, good to see.

Also, on a call today with some colleagues working for Trusts who are dropping off calls to have a vaccine, so positive to see it being rolled out.
 
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hill83

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  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,564
It seems to be ramping up a bit now hopefully. Majority of people I know who work for the NHS have been done and my Grandad is next week.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,565
fernandopartridge said:
It's all tightly controlled from the centre. I believe NHS Trusts are under a command and control from central gov, I think anything that goes out needs to be approved. Everything is about trying to reduce embarrassment for the government. I watched Chernobyl over Christmas, lots of themes in their chime with what's happening currently.
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Isn’t it depressing how after yesterday’s events in America, today all the populists and contrarians are back to peddling nonsense, or allowing it to be peddled, to cover their own arse?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,566
fernandopartridge said:
It's all tightly controlled from the centre. I believe NHS Trusts are under a command and control from central gov, I think anything that goes out needs to be approved. Everything is about trying to reduce embarrassment for the government. I watched Chernobyl over Christmas, lots of themes in their chime with what's happening currently.
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The dad from Friday night dinner is fucking about again?

Shit on it.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,567
Having failed to deliver internet and devices to all households, the government has instead reclassified the ‘vulnerable’ definition to include those without devices so they can go into school. Cheeky bastards
 

Tommo1993

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  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,568
fernandopartridge said:
It's all tightly controlled from the centre. I believe NHS Trusts are under a command and control from central gov, I think anything that goes out needs to be approved. Everything is about trying to reduce embarrassment for the government. I watched Chernobyl over Christmas, lots of themes in their chime with what's happening currently.
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What is the cost of lies?

Ha, yeah.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,569
shmmeee said:
Isn’t it depressing how after yesterday’s events in America, today all the populists and contrarians are back to peddling nonsense, or allowing it to be peddled, to cover their own arse?
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They never ever can stop really, they've invariably built a career on it
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,570
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Having failed to deliver internet and devices to all households, the government has instead reclassified the ‘vulnerable’ definition to include those without devices so they can go into school. Cheeky bastards
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As somebody said, covid disproportionately affects the poorest, and it's built into government policy to be that way.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,571
fernandopartridge said:
As somebody said, covid disproportionately affects the poorest, and it's built into government policy to be that way.
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It’s just flagrant ‘yeah we couldn’t be arsed to sort this in 10 months so let the schools deal with it’
 

hill83

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  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,572
1,224 deaths
52,618 new cases

Cases is a drop isn't it?
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,573
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Having failed to deliver internet and devices to all households, the government has instead reclassified the ‘vulnerable’ definition to include those without devices so they can go into school. Cheeky bastards
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Subsequently filling up the school classes that are still there up to their previous capacity.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,574
hill83 said:
1,224 deaths
52,618 new cases

Cases is a drop isn't it?
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Yep unfortunately deaths will continue rising in the short term.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,575
Ian1779 said:
Subsequently filling up the school classes that are still there up to their previous capacity.
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Sick of them always passing the buck to someone else
 

hill83

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  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,576
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Yep unfortunately deaths will continue rising in the short term.
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Until 2 weeks after 25th December? Actually that's tomorrow.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,577
hill83 said:
Until 2 weeks after 25th December? Actually that's tomorrow.
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Until around two weeks after cases start dropping I’d expect.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,578
Ian1779 said:
Subsequently filling up the school classes that are still there up to their previous capacity.
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Yeah but now we know the middle class are safe.
 
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SBAndy

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  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,579
hill83 said:
1,224 deaths
52,618 new cases

Cases is a drop isn't it?
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Can’t be arsed to check, but I’m sure someone said yesterday that they thought cases would drop for a period now. Unfortunately, with the lag for admissions/ICU/deaths there’s still a way to go.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,580
We're on a (supposedly) proper lockdown now. That should start to bring cases and deaths down in the next few weeks. What I want to see is vaccination figures, light at the end of the tunnel. Millions a week.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,581
hill83 said:
1,224 deaths
52,618 new cases

Cases is a drop isn't it?
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Cases is a big drop so hopefully the peak of cases has hit, early days. The deaths will continue to rise for at least 3 weeks though
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,582
Well that sounds like a proper fuck up in Brum today.
No vaccines turned up but hapless Hancock did to get his jab. Come back tomorrow Matt you useless gobshite
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,583
Liquid Gold said:
We're on a (supposedly) proper lockdown now. That should start to bring cases and deaths down in the next few weeks. What I want to see is vaccination figures, light at the end of the tunnel. Millions a week.
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They're publishing the vaccination figures now
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,584
fernandopartridge said:
They're publishing the vaccination figures now
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Can you link me please?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 7, 2021
  • #39,585
hill83 said:
Until 2 weeks after 25th December? Actually that's tomorrow.
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No until a few weeks after the cases start dropping.
 
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