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Macca

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  • Jan 1, 2021
  • #38,676
Went for a run today saw groups of 8 or more walking dogs together clearly not single households. As much as I don’t want it, only a month of April style lockdown is going to work. We are heading for disaster
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 1, 2021
  • #38,677
Sky Blue Pete said:
Not all of them. My mum staying with my
Sister tonight. Beyond cross and absolutely expecting her to catch it and be very very ooorly
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Thats a bit of an over reaction Pete.

Im sure the cunts in charge of the country would be happy for people to go mental at their mum for staying at her daughters. Your mum could bump into 10 people in Tesco.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 1, 2021
  • #38,678
Nick said:
Thats a bit of an over reaction Pete.

Im sure the cunts in charge of the country would be happy for people to go mental at their mum for staying at her daughters. Your mum could bump into 10 people in Tesco.
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Not defending the govt but meeting outdoors briefly and staying overnight in the average house are two different things entirely. I suspect there is more than sufficient evidence of household mixing in households being a massive driver of transmission (as it is with cold and flu)
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 1, 2021
  • #38,679
fernandopartridge said:
Not defending the govt but meeting outdoors briefly and staying overnight in the average house are two different things entirely. I suspect there is more than sufficient evidence of household mixing in households being a massive driver of transmission (as it is with cold and flu)
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I agree with that. Only thing I would say mind you, is if Pete's Mum is by herself, it's not quite so black and white as keep her away from everybody. If either of my parents were by themselves, I'd certainly be asking if I needed to change my approach to them. Doesn't mean I would, but it's balancing the risks and hoping you get it right. While they have each other, it's a no-brainer but, by themselves, there is a bit more need, possibly, for them to need care in other ways.

Mind you, somebody I know is going back to work Monday and Tuesday, then going back to their 80yo parents to help them take the Christmas decorations down as they can't manage it themselves. Take the sodding things down Sunday, in that case, before going back to work!
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 1, 2021
  • #38,680
fernandopartridge said:
Not defending the govt but meeting outdoors briefly and staying overnight in the average house are two different things entirely. I suspect there is more than sufficient evidence of household mixing in households being a massive driver of transmission (as it is with cold and flu)
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Tesco is indoors though?

I might be seeing things differently as I have to work throughout and that means sharing an office with others all day every day.

There's no point getting annoyed that a woman wants to stay with her daughter when you can walk in one stop or tesco and be coughed on or go to a meeting of 15 people for new parents.

Sometimes posts (not yours) on here don't match up with what's going on outside the front door.

My daughter will be going to school and I'll be going to work. If I don't go to work I don't get paid, it's really not as simple as everybody sitting in front of the TV all day until it blows over.
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #38,681
The fact that people are still confused about the difference between meeting up inside someone’s house, and going to the supermarket shows how insanely bad the government’s messaging has been.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #38,682
SBT said:
The fact that people are still confused about the difference between meeting up inside someone’s house, and going to the supermarket shows how insanely bad the government’s messaging has been.
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It’s the problem when you have a libertarian in charge when an authoritarian is sorely needed
 

chiefdave

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #38,683
clint van damme said:
happy new year

COVID-19: Chief medical officer Chris Whitty warns coronavirus vaccine shortages will last months

The UK's chief medical officers have backed a change in guidance which says booster jabs should be given up to 12 weeks later.
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Vaccine firms hit back at ministers over shortage claims

Boris Johnson has said supply of jabs is the 'limiting factor', while UK's chief medical officers claim 'vaccine shortage is a reality'

Drug firms have hit back at Government claims of a Covid vaccine shortage as they insisted that millions of doses have been delivered to the NHS.

Boris Johnson has said supply of the jab is the "limiting factor", while the UK's four chief medical officers have claimed that "vaccine shortage is a reality that cannot be wished away". Both Pfizer and Astrazeneca, the two firms manufacturing vaccines, took issue with the claims yesterday, insisting there was no problem with supply.
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #38,684
I’m just scared for her well-being
 

Brylowes

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #38,685
Sky Blue Pete said:
I’m just scared for her well-being
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Of course you are mate but try not to worry about it to the point of paranoia, the simple fact is, if your Mother didn’t already have it and your Sister didn’t already have it they can’t possibly infect one another.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #38,686
Sky Blue Pete said:
I’m just scared for her well-being
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And quite right to be so - she's lucky to have somebody who is. How old is she, and how does she feel about it all?
 
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hill83

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #38,687
Nick said:
Sometimes posts (not yours) on here don't match up with what's going on outside the front door.

My daughter will be going to school and I'll be going to work. If I don't go to work I don't get paid, it's really not as simple as everybody sitting in front of the TV all day until it blows over.
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Rarely agree with you but I'm in exactly the same situation and agree this time. Although I can work from home and do for half of my shifts.
But that a whole other story and might be changing soon.

And while we are at it, I'm in work right now and will be popping over to Tesco for my lunch.
I'm currently living with my Uncle who has just turned 61. He works for Age UK and shops for vulnerable people so is in and out of Supermarkets all day everyday.

The first couple of months I was a scared wreck washing food deliveries when I was purely working from home, but life has to go on. Unless somebody wants to fire a few quid my way so I can sit in my pants at home all the time. I'm officially classed as a key worker so there's no furlough and I've worked the lot. And I'm not moaning, I want to work.

Add to that constant trips to the hospital with my dad. It's basically business as usual but I can't go for a pint or 10.
 
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Macca

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #38,688
hill83 said:
Rarely agree with you but I'm in exactly the same situation and agree this time. Although I can work from home and do for half of my shifts.
But that a whole other story and might be changing soon.

And while we are at it, I'm in work right now and will be popping over to Tesco for my lunch.
I'm currently living with my Uncle who has just turned 61. He works for Age UK and shops for vulnerable people so is in and out of Supermarkets all day everyday.

The first couple of months I was a scared wreck washing food deliveries when I was purely working from home, but life has to go on. Unless somebody wants to fire a few quid my way so I can sit in my pants at home all the time. I'm officially classed as a key worker so there's no furlough and I've worked the lot. And I'm not moaning, I want to work.

Add to that constant trips to the hospital with my dad. It's basically business as usual but I can't go for a pint or 10.
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the inconsistencies are baffling and contradictory. Stay at home and do not make unnecessary journeys, unless you want to play golf. I’m no expert but I know that those 2 statements don’t add up. I feel for you in the position you are in and a slight embarrassment for the security I have during these difficult times. I just try and do my bit for neighbours who are nervous to be out and about.
 
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hill83

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #38,689
Nothing to be embarrassed about.
I just think people are too nervous about it. Stay a decent distance away from people, get a proper mask and don't be a bellend just about covers it.

The day to day stuff I mean. Overall of course it's something to be worried about. And I am worried about my son going back into school with the new strain knocking about, but they have done a great job so far. I flatly refused to send him back in early on in this, but the ex was furloughed and wasn't the ex at the time so it was an easier decision to make. Now she's working full time again.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #38,690
Brylowes said:
Of course you are mate but try not to worry about it to the point of paranoia, the simple fact is, if your Mother didn’t already have it and your Sister didn’t already have it they can’t possibly infect one another.
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Unless her husband or two sons or their girlfriends or her work colleagues at the hospital. But yep. I’m not paranoid about it, I’m resigned to it
 

hill83

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #38,691
Sky Blue Pete said:
Unless her husband or two sons or their girlfriends or her work colleagues at the hospital. But yep. I’m not paranoid about it, I’m resigned to it
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It does seem an unnecessary thing for your mother to be doing to be fair. My points weren't directed at you by the way.
Maybe persuade them to take the quick no symptoms test in town? There and back with a result in about an hour and a half easily.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #38,692
SBT said:
The fact that people are still confused about the difference between meeting up inside someone’s house, and going to the supermarket shows how insanely bad the government’s messaging has been.
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There is no confusion.

When you see people stood about chatting and blocking the aisles in the supermarket or the people (mainly old people) who don't have any idea about personal space its hard to see how that is less risky than using common sense in somebody else's house.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #38,693
Deleted member 5849 said:
And quite right to be so - she's lucky to have somebody who is. How old is she, and how does she feel about it all?
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79, has severe copd and is clinically extremely vulnerable. She is sick of it and has taken risks throughout encouraged by my 2 sisters mainly even though they both work at uhcw. She’s been very lucky. Will her luck hold out?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #38,694
hill83 said:
It does seem an unnecessary thing for your mother to be doing to be fair. My points weren't directed at you by the way.
Maybe persuade them to take the quick no symptoms test in town? There and back with a result in about an hour and a half easily.
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We did and I was pleased they did and it’s ok I’ve been told how bad I am in how I’ve handled all this by part of my family
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #38,695
Nick said:
There is no confusion.

When you see people stood about chatting and blocking the aisles in the supermarket or the people (mainly old people) who don't have any idea about personal space its hard to see how that is less risky than using common sense in somebody else's house.
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Completely agree
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #38,696

All of this feels a bit like media censorship from the government. A bit like the time Boris took that journos phone out of his hand and hid it in his pocket but on a grand scale. Maybe if people fully understood what was going on they'd be more inclined to stay in line. You wouldn't be giving the covid deniers the ammunition of the hospitals being quiet either.
 
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hill83

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #38,697
Skybluefaz said:

All of this feels a bit like media censorship from the government. A bit like the time Boris took that journos phone out of his hand and hid it in his pocket but on a grand scale. Maybe if people fully understood what was going on they'd be more inclined to stay in line. You wouldn't be giving the covid deniers the ammunition of the hospitals being quiet either.
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Paid flat earth bill gates lizard actors m8
 
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Macca

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #38,698
Skybluefaz said:

All of this feels a bit like media censorship from the government. A bit like the time Boris took that journos phone out of his hand and hid it in his pocket but on a grand scale. Maybe if people fully understood what was going on they'd be more inclined to stay in line. You wouldn't be giving the covid deniers the ammunition of the hospitals being quiet either.
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the only trouble with these crackpots is that literally any evidence would be refuted. These are the fake news, flat earth, false flag nut jobs who don’t actually want to be proved wrong as it takes away their raison d’etre
 
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Macca

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #38,699
hill83 said:
Paid flat earth bill gates lizard actors m8
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Haha spooky double response there
 
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Macca

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #38,700
hill83 said:
Nothing to be embarrassed about.
I just think people are too nervous about it. Stay a decent distance away from people, get a proper mask and don't be a bellend just about covers it.

The day to day stuff I mean. Overall of course it's something to be worried about. And I am worried about my son going back into school with the new strain knocking about, but they have done a great job so far. I flatly refused to send him back in early on in this, but the ex was furloughed and wasn't the ex at the time so it was an easier decision to make. Now she's working full time again.
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I agree entirely but there is a large portion of society who lack that common sense
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #38,701
We also haven't had the extreme lockdown of early on. We seem to be going for an economic death by a thousand cuts, and personally I'd have thought the economy would be more robust with a month of hardcore lockdown, get the vaccine supply sorted, and get us able to focus on that rather than triage at hospitals.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #38,702
Deleted member 5849 said:
We also haven't had the extreme lockdown of early on. We seem to be going for an economic death by a thousand cuts, and personally I'd have thought the economy would be more robust with a month of hardcore lockdown, get the vaccine supply sorted, and get us able to focus on that rather than triage at hospitals.
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That sounds the most sensible doesn’t it?
 

clint van damme

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #38,703
Macca said:
I agree entirely but there is a large portion of society who lack that common sense
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Fucking hundreds of the conspiracy idiots protested outside a hospital in London the other night.
I'm all for the right to peaceful protest but there's a time and a place.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #38,704
Macca said:
Haha spooky double response there
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How funny, you two are definitely a conspiracy from the new world order or something
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #38,705
Sky Blue Pete said:
That sounds the most sensible doesn’t it?
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Not really as most industries can’t close down
 

Brylowes

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #38,706
Sky Blue Pete said:
Unless her husband or two sons or their girlfriends or her work colleagues at the hospital. But yep. I’m not paranoid about it, I’m resigned to it
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From your initial post I was reading it as though it was just your mum and sister, obviously the more people involved greatly incteases the risk of transmission occurring.
I honestly wasn’t intending to come across as disrespectful in anyway, in fact I’m in exactly the same boat ‘my mum is a very sprightly 83 who loves getting out and about.
The day before NYE she rang asking if me my wife & daughter wanted to pop round for an hour, I explained why we couldn’t (the new variant is rife here atm ) I felt terrible and assured her we would ring on NYE.
Called her at 10pm NYE and she’s round my sisters with about 20 others, I’m absolutely fuming.
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #38,707
Nick said:
There is no confusion.

When you see people stood about chatting and blocking the aisles in the supermarket or the people (mainly old people) who don't have any idea about personal space its hard to see how that is less risky than using common sense in somebody else's house.
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Can honestly say I’ve never seen what you’re describing in a supermarket. But it’s an airborne disease that spreads most easily in crowded areas, situations where people are talking to each other, and small/poorly ventilated enclosed spaces. It gets worse if people are doing the above for a long period of time, and better if people are wearing masks. So unless these supermarket people are literally standing and chatting in crowds without masks for 15 minutes at a time, then it’s nowhere near as bad as having your mate (or your mum, or whoever) come sit in your little living room all day and all night for a catch-up.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #38,708
Sky Blue Pete said:
That sounds the most sensible doesn’t it?
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It is indeed. This nonsense with schools is going to finish me off I reckon and speaking to my colleagues I’m not the only one. Halfway houses don’t work for anyone
 
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hill83

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #38,709
Grendel said:
Not really as most industries can’t close down
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My industry closes down and nobody is getting a vaccine for a start.
 
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Nick

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  • Jan 2, 2021
  • #38,710
SBT said:
Can honestly say I’ve never seen what you’re describing in a supermarket. But it’s an airborne disease that spreads most easily in crowded areas, situations where people are talking to each other, and small/poorly ventilated enclosed spaces. It gets worse if people are doing the above for a long period of time, and better if people are wearing masks. So unless these supermarket people are literally standing and chatting in crowds without masks for 15 minutes at a time, then it’s nowhere near as bad as having your mate (or your mum, or whoever) come sit in your little living room all day and all night for a catch-up.
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This is exactly what I mean about people not being in the real world sometimes.

Yes, people are stood about chatting in supermarkets. People bump into people they know and won't have seen for ages so they stand around and have a chat. Add into that that a lot of the time it's old people who have no spacial awareness and the mask below their nose when trying to do their shopping as well. If I need to get anything I blast to get what I need then get out, you still see people dawdling, picking everything up and putting it back etc.

Look at Coombe Abbey the other day (yes I know that's outdoors), they were so full they had to close the carparks it was that busy.
 
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