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skybluetony176

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  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,606
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Just had plans through for next few weeks. Exam groups doing mocks as planned, week commencing 11th I am required to be in school so I can teach everyone remotely-makes sense. School has not received tests yet and has not been told how many they’re getting.
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Just another example of the lack of joined up thinking.
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,607
Brighton Sky Blue said:
If all my teaching is to be remote why get me into school? Pointless
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Spite. It's one of their two driving motivators.
Embezzling the public purse is the other.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,608
clint van damme said:
Spite. It's one of their two driving motivators.
Embezzling the public purse is the other.
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At least Starmer can win over some Grendels by throwing teachers and schools under the bus. Both parties can piss off when it comes to COVID
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,609
skybluetony176 said:
Just another example of the lack of joined up thinking.
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Williamson said the return was delayed to allow testing of exam groups. My school doesn’t even know how many tests it’s getting never mind received them with instructions on use
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,610
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I think even under David Cameron we’d have seen this done better.
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I can't think of one leader in my lifetime who would have done it worse. Only one that might come close would be Callaghan, and even then he had experience in running state apparatus, and there would have been actual organisation going on, and a plan.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,611
Brighton Sky Blue said:
week commencing 11th I am required to be in school so I can teach everyone remotely-makes sense.
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,612
Deleted member 5849 said:
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Indeed.
 
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RedSalmon

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  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,613
Deleted member 5849 said:
I can't think of one leader in my lifetime who would have done it worse. Only one that might come close would be Callaghan, and even then he had experience in running state apparatus, and there would have been actual organisation going on, and a plan.
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Was thinking a similar thing myself, and I cannot recall a Government in my living memory who could have consistantly messed things up the way this one has. It is one cluster fuck after another, and they seem to learn nothing form their mistakes.

Heard Adrian Chilles today describe Boris as the' boy who cried wolf 'in reverse, in as much as he always tells everyone things are better than they are because he only likes to give good news, but it has happened so often and been wrong that no one is believing him any more. Summed it up for me.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,614
Why haven’t the government assigned 3500 project managers or leaders to work with the heads in each school
 

chiefdave

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  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,615
Brighton Sky Blue said:
My school doesn’t even know how many tests it’s getting never mind received them with instructions on use
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Don't know what you're complaining about
There is "absolutely no reason" schools in England will not be ready to mass test pupils when they return next term, the education secretary has said.
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,616
chiefdave said:
Don't know what you're complaining about
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Haha, he thinks giving notice is all that matters. Reminds me of Mike Bassett sending someone on and telling him ‘oh just do whatever you feel like in that general area’
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,617
Brighton Sky Blue said:
At least Starmer can win over some Grendels by throwing teachers and schools under the bus. Both parties can piss off when it comes to COVID
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Starmer winning over those Grendels one by one...

 

cowboy1850

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,618
We've known for a long time that there was going to be another surge, people we asking for lock downs back in September.
It's just become constant mismanagement for the government who seem to faff around trying to mop up the expected wave of destruction rather than stay ahead and be proactive.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,619
Ian1779 said:
Starmer winning over those Grendels one by one...

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Easy answer was John Major
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,620
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Easy answer was John Major
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The problem with Mr Starmer is that we have to consider if his road to sensible middle ground politics is a genuine transformation to sensible politics or a cynical attempt at a power grab before the wolf is revealed

He was clearly an extreme hard line Trotskyite with some very strange views. Have these changed that much?
 
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Ian1779

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  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,621
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Easy answer was John Major
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Or Ken Clarke... any Tory grandee really...
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,622
Grendel said:
The problem with Mr Starmer is that we have to consider if his road to sensible middle ground politics is a genuine transformation to sensible politics or a cynical attempt at a power grab before the wolf is revealed

He was clearly an extreme hard line Trotskyite with some very strange views. Have these changed that much?
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If he's pissing me and Ian off that should be the green light for yourself I should think?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,623
Brighton Sky Blue said:
If he's pissing me and Ian off that should be the green light for yourself I should think?
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People are very happy to look at some of Mr Johnson’s past remarks and associations - you cannot also at the same time ignore Mr Starmer and his interesting views in the past
 

dutchman

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,624
shmmeee said:
No. Do that.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32661-1/fulltext
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We will find out for certain this time next year when we're still in lockdown.
 

Brylowes

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  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,625
Deleted member 5849 said:
I can't think of one leader in my lifetime who would have done it worse. Only one that might come close would be Callaghan, and even then he had experience in running state apparatus, and there would have been actual organisation going on, and a plan.
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RedSalmon said:
Was thinking a similar thing myself, and I cannot recall a Government in my living memory who could have consistantly messed things up the way this one has. It is one cluster fuck after another, and they seem to learn nothing form their mistakes.

Heard Adrian Chilles today describe Boris as the' boy who cried wolf 'in reverse, in as much as he always tells everyone things are better than they are because he only likes to give good news, but it has happened so often and been wrong that no one is believing him any more. Summed it up for me.
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Both Boris and Trump can be held up as a true representation of what can go wrong when a leader/government is elected on an almost entirely populist ticket.
In normal times they can bumble along telling people whatever it is they think they want to hear, they can disrespect the office they hold and in ‘Johnson’s case continually display a lack of mental strength’ safe in the knowledge that the MSM have their back.

When the ‘shit hits the fan’ they are left exposed, bereft of ideas and surrounded by sycophants with nothing of value to offer, their lack of understanding and confidence leads to a catalogue of knee jerk decisions, backdowns and U-turns.
They polarize opinions to such an extent that focus on the actual issues becomes blurred and inexplicably the less sense they make and the more harm they do ‘the more their support rallies behind them.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,626
Grendel said:
The problem with Mr Starmer is that we have to consider if his road to sensible middle ground politics is a genuine transformation to sensible politics or a cynical attempt at a power grab before the wolf is revealed

He was clearly an extreme hard line Trotskyite with some very strange views. Have these changed that much?
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Shit I’m agreeing with Grendel
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,627
Sky Blue Pete said:
Shit I’m agreeing with Grendel
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To clarify I genuinely think it is a left of centre sensible move
 

David O'Day

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  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,628
"The UK has registered 964 Covid-related deaths in the last 24 hours – another rise from yesterday.

New cases are also continuing to go up, with 55,892 people testing positive since yesterday."
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,629
David O'Day said:
"The UK has registered 964 Covid-related deaths in the last 24 hours – another rise from yesterday.

New cases are also continuing to go up, with 55,892 people testing positive since yesterday."
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How many of those infections go on to need hospital care and itu and die?

Is it like 3% need hospital 1.5% itu and about 0.8% die?

If so that’s 1650 hospital
825 itu
440 deaths

Need infections down don’t we?
 

David O'Day

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  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,630
Sky Blue Pete said:
How many of those infections go on to need hospital care and itu and die?

Is it like 3% need hospital 1.5% itu and about 0.8% die?

If so that’s 1650 hospital
825 itu
440 deaths

Need infections down don’t we?
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@fernandopartridge is more on top of the hospitalisation stats than me so he may be able to answer that better
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,631
Sky Blue Pete said:
How many of those infections go on to need hospital care and itu and die?

Is it like 3% need hospital 1.5% itu and about 0.8% die?

If so that’s 1650 hospital
825 itu
440 deaths

Need infections down don’t we?
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There seems to be less people moving onto ventilation which is obviously a good thing. Assume that is down to increased knowledge of how to treat covid.

At the first peak there was 21,683 in hospital and 3,301 on ventilators. We're currently at 23,813 in hospital but ventilator numbers are 1,847.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,632
chiefdave said:
There seems to be less people moving onto ventilation which is obviously a good thing. Assume that is down to increased knowledge of how to treat covid.

At the first peak there was 21,683 in hospital and 3,301 on ventilators. We're currently at 23,813 in hospital but ventilator numbers are 1,847.
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On something like 600000 infected people so what’s that?

So that’s 4% hospitalised

0.3% itu

Deaths who knows but I thought it was at about 0.8%

Isn’t medicine amazing? The speed with which people have learned the best was to identify and then treat is just great.

So proud
 
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chiefdave

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  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,633
Sky Blue Pete said:
Isn’t medicine amazing? The speed with which people have learned the best was to identify and then treat is just great.
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Hopefully with vaccines, even if it means the vulnerable getting an annual shot as they do with flu, and improved treatments we can get things back to normal and it really does become similar to getting the flu. If we get to that stage within 18 - 24 months of the Wuhan outbreak that is an incredible performance from the science community.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,634
chiefdave said:
Hopefully with vaccines, even if it means the vulnerable getting an annual shot as they do with flu, and improved treatments we can get things back to normal and it really does become similar to getting the flu. If we get to that stage within 18 - 24 months of the Wuhan outbreak that is an incredible performance from the science community.
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It really is
 

covmark

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  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,635
chiefdave said:
Hopefully with vaccines, even if it means the vulnerable getting an annual shot as they do with flu, and improved treatments we can get things back to normal and it really does become similar to getting the flu. If we get to that stage within 18 - 24 months of the Wuhan outbreak that is an incredible performance from the science community.
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Yeah, when you let that sink in, it would be an astonishing achievement

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ajsccfc

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  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,636
I confess to knowing next to fuck all about the science but I read that some of the vaccines have been developed in a new way, that's got to bode well for medicine in general outside this too I'd have thought?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,637
David O'Day said:
"The UK has registered 964 Covid-related deaths in the last 24 hours – another rise from yesterday.

New cases are also continuing to go up, with 55,892 people testing positive since yesterday."
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The death rates in 3 weeks or so are going to be well in excess of 1k a day, maybe even 2k.
 
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stupot07

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  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,638
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Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,639
Looks like GPs are not on board with the vaccination plan. Listening to the experts again Matthew?

 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 31, 2020
  • #38,640
fernandopartridge said:
The death rates in 3 weeks or so are going to be well in excess of 1k a day, maybe even 2k.
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Still keep schools open by all means
 
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