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Skybluefaz

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  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,206
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I find it very odd not doing it when I’m meeting a new person. I’ll judge normality returning by when it’s allowed for me to do so
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I miss not being able to embrace my nearest and dearest with a handshake. I know it seems silly but I do miss it.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,207
chiefdave said:
If you want to really depress yourself have a look at the T20 in New Zealand and test match in Australia that are on BT Sport at the moment. Crowds in, no distancing, no masks - like nothing ever happened. We seem a long way off that at the moment.
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The Ozzies & Kiwis must be bricking it a bit I reckon....watching the rest of the world in covid19 turmoil knowing that they've pretty much swerved it.....so far.....

....a similar feeling to me at start of March lockdown as I watched my 2 kids & wife come down with a nasty bout of norovirus, one after the other, day after day.....just as the world ran out of bog roll....
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,208
The messaging public directive's (Which one's?(wink nudge wink), have been an absolute shitshow, given cover by the broadcast media and Starmer

It's a fucking reactive shambles , they were warned as early late as autumn to act ahead .
Education breaks should have been planned in to/for each half-term +holiday breaks.
The bubbles and isolation of pupils ,it's safe for children to be in school)do not match the summer rhetoric .
This pathetic shtick that you can't tell/instruct the British poeple what to do is weak pathetic libertarian bullshit exposing the Chamberlain trait,nothing Churchillian about any of it.
The British poeple are instructed,levered ,pushed, leveraged to do this on a daily basis in scenarios, take work environment in myriad scenarios,,protest, strike etc.
Exposes the shift from 50's to now in terms of public health, local governance, delivery of Gov't ,civic community requirements and information, modern media does not serve the populace well here.

Edit:- The state really, what state?
Too much information!
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,209
wingy said:
Big question on Newsnight tonight around a letter to Cabinet regards lateral flow tests and their accuracy or lack of .
It was in a different context to the question of the late late protocol announced for schoolkids in the New year,dated 11thDec from some bigwig.
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Looking for the piece on this but here's an earlier evaluation.
Although it must be said rates in Liverpool dropped significantly at that juncture.

COVID-19: Liverpool mass testing pilot not reaching city's poorest people, leaked documents show

Barriers to tests included poverty, a lack of digital skills, misinformation and a mistrust of the government.
news.sky.com
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,210
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,211
When do we think Boris will anounce the third lockdown? Northern Ireland going back into a 6 week lockdown, how grim.
 
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xcraigx

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  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,212
Skybluefaz said:
When do we think Boris will anounce the third lockdown? Northern Ireland going back into a 6 week lockdown, how grim.
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After the 5 day relaxation is my guess. Imagine announcing it now, any semblance of common sense over Xmas will go out the window for a sizeable minority.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,213
xcraigx said:
After the 5 day relaxation is my guess. Imagine announcing it now, any semblance of common sense over Xmas will go out the window for a sizeable minority.
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I agree. Would need to be after the Christmas relaxation but before New year cos I think a lot of people would like to celebrate new year given how shitty this ones been. Probably going to ramp up the independence in Scotland for Sturgeon cos they're big on New Year, first footing and all that, so stopping it with a severe lockdown won't go down well. Mind you all the nations seem to be doing their own guidance now so Sturgeon may just do a relaxation for new year too, but I reckon she'd comply so she could blame it and any spike in cases on England.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,214
So school delayed in going back.
Another lockdown.

Rinse and repeat.

Will they let everybody in London do what the fuck they please and then blame a new strain?

What's the point in having Tiers to let everybody do whatever at Christmas and then into a lockdown? Haven't we been there before? None if it is making any sense, especially when you go in a shop and there's a fucking mothers meeting in there all stood around chatting. Supermarkets are rammed and so much I have seen is people stood about chatting with others.

Imagine this being people's lives from now on, suicide rates up much? Yeah I am lucky in that I still have a job but yeah, I can work all week and then what? Sit in the fucking house.
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,215
What were poeples expectations at the start?
18months +?
We knew/know it was going to end in some form around then , although without the will or encouragement/.
leadership.
For eradication.
There are simply Two approaches available to deal with it,grim yes.
It was either let it rip,or intrduce the measures from the start (early)and maintain them throughout.
The fluctuating relaxations and regional disparities have developed confusion,privelifdge/envy, divisions.
And lack of tolerance, adherence.
For every argument made that it's impacting mental health, children's well-being,finance, there's a give it to me straight option to follow.
Most sane poeple Will live with/through those hardships for the benefit to the whole, it's the influencers who've grabbed control from late spring on.
Fine they don't mind admitting they'd be happy to encounter all the subsequent deaths and illness that would entail.
There will be a massive debate around euthenasia when this is passed, just be careful which age groups you fall either side of at any given juncture through your lives .
Ridiculous?
Not I've heard these conversations and opinions expressed currently.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,216
considering most the country is tier 3 the amount of new cases is alarming.
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,217
clint van damme said:
considering most the country is tier 3 the amount of new cases is alarming.
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...but considering studies have shown only 18% of people actually self-isolate when they should coupled with the fact that every man & his dog breaks or bends all the rules to suit, its no surprise either.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,218
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
...but considering studies have shown only 18% of people actually self-isolate when they should coupled with the fact that every man & his dog breaks or bends all the rules to suit, its no surprise either.
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It's almost like the government should of put a proper system of both support and enforcement in for those who have to isolate
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,219
David O'Day said:
It's almost like the government should of put a proper system of both support and enforcement in for those who have to isolate
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...its world beating
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,220
David O'Day said:
It's almost like the government should of put a proper system of both support and enforcement in for those who have to isolate
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Oh stop it!
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,221
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
...but considering studies have shown only 18% of people actually self-isolate when they should coupled with the fact that every man & his dog breaks or bends all the rules to suit, its no surprise either.
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I didn't know that.
They actually rang my missus last week when she was isolating to see where she was though if she hadn't been at home she could have said she was and they'd have been none the wiser.
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,222
Ons seems to be estimating case's are approaching 600k, just over 1%of population.
Possibly still just lower than the first peak, by 100k. Mortality likely reduced by a third ISH upwards with novel treatments.
Suggests the NHS is really being sweated at this point.

Edit;- figures for the week.
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,223
Nick said:
So school delayed in going back.
Another lockdown.

Rinse and repeat.

Will they let everybody in London do what the fuck they please and then blame a new strain?

What's the point in having Tiers to let everybody do whatever at Christmas and then into a lockdown? Haven't we been there before? None if it is making any sense, especially when you go in a shop and there's a fucking mothers meeting in there all stood around chatting. Supermarkets are rammed and so much I have seen is people stood about chatting with others.

Imagine this being people's lives from now on, suicide rates up much? Yeah I am lucky in that I still have a job but yeah, I can work all week and then what? Sit in the fucking house.
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Sorry Nick my post after yours was a kind of response.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,224
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,225
 
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chiefdave

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  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,226
shmmeee said:
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Would be laughable if the results of this total government incompetence wasn't huge numbers of people dying. Literally months of denial that schools had anything to do with transmission as more and more evidence came out they did. To the point they were threatening legal action against local authorities who took things into their own hands and told schools to shut.

See that SAGE have said the R number is back above 1 yet we're still having a week with loosened restrictions relying on people to use their common sense. Johnson has also said he won't rule out another national lockdown.

Think we all know what is coming after Christmas. Remember when it was being reported that SAGE had advised we'd need at least 5 days of lockdown for every day of lower restrictions over Christmas and, as usual, everyone else knew better.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,227
This is a interesting example of how it can spread, in this instance from an ice hockey team practice.
On Nov. 2, public health said one person with COVID-19 attended a sports practice indoors with 30 other people.

Public Health says the sports practice resulted in 89 people testing positive, 445 high-risk contacts who needed to isolate, four outbreaks in schools, one outbreak in a daycare and 10 sports teams/practices impacted.
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How one sports practice in Ottawa led to 89 COVID-19 cases and forced hundreds to self-isolate

One sports team practice in Ottawa this fall resulted in 89 cases of COVID-19, 445 high-risk contacts isolating and 10 sports teams forced to the sidelines.
ottawa.ctvnews.ca
 
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David O'Day

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  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,228
clint van damme said:
I didn't know that.
They actually rang my missus last week when she was isolating to see where she was though if she hadn't been at home she could have said she was and they'd have been none the wiser.
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Something simple like only accepting landlines would make sure you are at home.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,229
David O'Day said:
Something simple like only accepting landlines would make sure you are at home.
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Fine, as long as they buy me a phone to plug into my landline!
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,230
Deleted member 5849 said:
Fine, as long as they buy me a phone to plug into my landline!
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Get on argos or get to the camp.

Simple, everyone has the ability to have one.
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,231
David O'Day said:
Something simple like only accepting landlines would make sure you are at home.
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Everyone would just forward to a mobile. Probably.
 

tisza

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  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,232
shmmeee said:
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Said it before here rates are way up and one of the 2 major differences from 1st wave has been the insistence on keeping schooling for the under 14s open.
One of the reasons schooling for the over 14s being stopped is that that age group are mainly schooled in larger towns and kids are housed in dormitories Monday to Friday before returning to the villages etc for the weekends hence increasing the risk of spreading COVID across the country.
 
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Macca1987

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  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,233
David O'Day said:
Something simple like only accepting landlines would make sure you are at home.
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Don't have one David, so I'm out
 
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hill83

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  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,234
David O'Day said:
Something simple like only accepting landlines would make sure you are at home.
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Haven’t got a landline though. Had the cable removed when I got fibre installed.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,235
Macca1987 said:
Don't have one David, so I'm out
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No you'll be out the house, just in a camp.

Bramcote will do
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,236
Macca1987 said:
Don't have one David, so I'm out
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A miss selling action for the future I think ,when a free landline is anything but ,and built in Absorbed through the intetnet provision fees .
Legal eagle's get on it ,the thieves at Virgin deserve it.
 
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Macca1987

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  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,237
David O'Day said:
No you'll be out the house, just in a camp.

Bramcote will do
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As long as I can get a round of golf in that'll do for me
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,238
hill83 said:
Haven’t got a landline though. Had the cable removed when I got fibre installed.
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Likewise.
 

David O'Day

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  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,239
Skybluefaz said:
Everyone would just forward to a mobile. Probably.
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phone providers can stop that.

Anyway which is more expensive buying everyone a cheap house phone from Argos or the money wasted on an app that didn't really work?

*no i'm not in the pay of Big Argos
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 18, 2020
  • #37,240
David O'Day said:
No you'll be out the house, just in a camp.

Bramcote will do
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But what about that chip?
 
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