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chiefdave

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  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,561
ajsccfc said:
If this all goes through swimmingly now I'm guess it'll be around Easter before I get a jab but I'd echo @robbiekeane above, just knowing there's a possible return to normality on the horizon is enough for me, I don't mind how long it takes to get there.

One vaccine being a success hopefully opens the floodgates for the others in testing now too
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Spot on. I can sit in the house for a few months if I know that around spring things will be looking up. Not like anything I'd normally do is operational. That's very different to sitting in the house with no idea when you'll next be able to see a match, gig etc.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,562
On a less optimistic note, the initial figures coming out from Liverpools mass testing for asymptomatic cases look troublingly low.....

First tranche of 23K tests revealed just 154 +ve cases ! That <1% !

Now, to me this screams of poor test quality.

It may simply be that the lateral flow tests are utter shite & not fit for purpose.
It may be that as they are "self test" procedures, that the general public are simply not sticking the swabs in or up far enough!
(having had a proper test administered by a nurse, I know it to be very unpleasant & uncomfortable bordering on slightly painful experience if done correctly)
It may be that the demographic of those volunteering for the tests so far happen to be all the good & very cautions citizens who have kept strictly to all the rules & limited their exposure to a bare minimum.

It may be a combo of all of the above, but something doesn't stack up.

This could be potentially catastrophic for the city if there are thousands of false negative folk now heading off to visit their grandparents & family in care homes etc.

They have started mass testing on secondary schools now, so in theory, that rate should shoot up ......watch this space.....
 
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  • Nov 10, 2020
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For once (!) Johnson played it well too, emphasising it's not a done deal, plenty of time to go before all is rosy
 
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ajsccfc

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  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,564
I thought the same, I was actually impressed by him there. November's been weird
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,565
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
On a less optimistic note, the initial figures coming out from Liverpools mass testing for asymptomatic cases look troublingly low.....

First tranche of 23K tests revealed just 154 +ve cases ! That <1% !

Now, to me this screams of poor test quality.

It may simply be that the lateral flow tests are utter shite & not fit for purpose.
It may be that as they are "self test" procedures, that the general public are simply not sticking the swabs in or up far enough!
(having had a proper test administered by a nurse, I know it to be very unpleasant & uncomfortable bordering on slightly painful experience if done correctly)
It may be that the demographic of those volunteering for the tests so far happen to be all the good & very cautions citizens who have kept strictly to all the rules & limited their exposure to a bare minimum.

It may be a combo of all of the above, but something doesn't stack up.

This could be potentially catastrophic for the city if there are thousands of false negative folk now heading off to visit their grandparents & family in care homes etc.

They have started mass testing on secondary schools now, so in theory, that rate should shoot up ......watch this space.....
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Its a pilot so wouldn’t expect it to go perfectly, however those numbers would make rates in Liverpool being c600-700 per 100,000. I also heard yesterday they were saying as a country it’s about 1 in 90, so it actually sounds like it might not be far off.

Thats the problem with the media, they make it sound like everyone’s got it, they haven’t (even if the rates have increased a fair bit in recent weeks)

The interesting thing for me with the quick tests is they plan to roll out for all nhs and care workers to test themselves twice a week (so you catch asymptomatic cases) which will hopefully better protect those at higher risk
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,566
Deleted member 5849 said:
For once (!) Johnson played it well too, emphasising it's not a done deal, plenty of time to go before all is rosy
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yeah, a mate of mine thought he’d played it down too much...definitely not in my book. It doesn’t take much for the a chunk of the public to think ‘it’s all ok then’ which wouldn’t be ideal in the middle of a lockdown attempting to suppress transmission rates !!
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,567
CCFCSteve said:
Its a pilot so wouldn’t expect it to go perfectly, however those numbers would make rates in Liverpool being c600-700 per 100,000. I also heard yesterday they were saying as a country it’s about 1 in 90, so it actually sounds like it might not be far off.
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Yep...you're right Steve. Ignore me... As you were!
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,568
Deleted member 5849 said:
For once (!) Johnson played it well too, emphasising it's not a done deal, plenty of time to go before all is rosy
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Theres been a lot of furore (sp?) this morning about them hiring a PR firm for the vaccine task force, but frankly PR is going to be so important right from the announcement and this government has shown messaging isn’t their strong point so I’m all for it.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,569
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
On a less optimistic note, the initial figures coming out from Liverpools mass testing for asymptomatic cases look troublingly low.....

First tranche of 23K tests revealed just 154 +ve cases ! That <1% !

Now, to me this screams of poor test quality.

It may simply be that the lateral flow tests are utter shite & not fit for purpose.
It may be that as they are "self test" procedures, that the general public are simply not sticking the swabs in or up far enough!
(having had a proper test administered by a nurse, I know it to be very unpleasant & uncomfortable bordering on slightly painful experience if done correctly)
It may be that the demographic of those volunteering for the tests so far happen to be all the good & very cautions citizens who have kept strictly to all the rules & limited their exposure to a bare minimum.

It may be a combo of all of the above, but something doesn't stack up.

This could be potentially catastrophic for the city if there are thousands of false negative folk now heading off to visit their grandparents & family in care homes etc.

They have started mass testing on secondary schools now, so in theory, that rate should shoot up ......watch this space.....
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I agree about the self testing. It's far too uncomfortable for people to be relied upon to do it properly themselves.

Saw a few people doing it on the news and they were literally just about inserting it into their nostril and moving it around.
 
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  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,570
shmmeee said:
Theres been a lot of furore (sp?) this morning about them hiring a PR firm for the vaccine task force, but frankly PR is going to be so important right from the announcement and this government has shown messaging isn’t their strong point so I’m all for it.
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As long as he doesn't decide to just let us all out into the open as soon as the over-85s are vaccinated, I don't really care.

Frankly a longer timescale actually gives more reassurance they're not hurtling along. However they want to present that to keep people onside is fine.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,571
Deleted member 5849 said:
For once (!) Johnson played it well too, emphasising it's not a done deal, plenty of time to go before all is rosy
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Definitely a sensible approach to be cautious to not get people's hopes up and have them treat lockdown more lightly cos 'it'll all be fine soon'.

Still think it's funny that he's been talking about vaccines etc from day one then a few weeks ago was the first time he seemed to acknowledge a vaccine might not happen. Now we've potentially got one very close. Why is it whatever he says is usually the exact opposite of what's actually happening? Him and Trump.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,572
My mum who’s 80 in April said she probably won’t have the vaccine!! I played it cute and said well listen to the Gp and she said ok
 

chiefdave

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  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,573
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I agree about the self testing. It's far too uncomfortable for people to be relied upon to do it properly themselves.
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When we first opened all the testing centres in this country there were questions asked about why people were being expected to self administer the tests when in other countries someone qualified did it. Surely it impacts on the accuracy if the tests aren't being done properly.

In other news Finham sending who year groups home to self isolate and moving teaching online.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,574
chiefdave said:
When we first opened all the testing centres in this country there were questions asked about why people were being expected to self administer the tests when in other countries someone qualified did it. Surely it impacts on the accuracy if the tests aren't being done properly.

In other news Finham sending who year groups home to self isolate and moving teaching online.
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Stoke Park sent their entire year nine home a few weeks ago due to a positive test.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,575
chiefdave said:
When we first opened all the testing centres in this country there were questions asked about why people were being expected to self administer the tests when in other countries someone qualified did it. Surely it impacts on the accuracy if the tests aren't being done properly.

In other news Finham sending who year groups home to self isolate and moving teaching online.
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1 or 2?
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,576
Just heard that the vaccines are going to be manufactured in Belgium and have to be kept at minus 70. They better sort the border out with brexit or give these trucks special access.

I can just imagine this government letting the 10m vaccines waste away because it interferes with their pet project.
 

chiefdave

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  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,577
Sky Blue Pete said:
1 or 2?
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The one thats on Green Lane.
 
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RedSalmon

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  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,578
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I agree about the self testing. It's far too uncomfortable for people to be relied upon to do it properly themselves.

Saw a few people doing it on the news and they were literally just about inserting it into their nostril and moving it around.
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If done properly it is quite invasive and uncomfortable.......as I say if done properly.
 
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RedSalmon

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,579
Have just seen an article in the Guardian (unable to link) saying the Government are expecting GP clinics to administer 975 vaccines a week, working 12 hour shifts, seven days a week. Hope they plan and organise this better than the ongoing fiasco we know as Track and Trace.
 

chiefdave

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  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,580
RedSalmon said:
Have just seen an article in the Guardian (unable to link) saying the Government are expecting GP clinics to administer 975 vaccines a week, working 12 hour shifts, seven days a week. Hope they plan and organise this better than the ongoing fiasco we know as Track and Trace.
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They might be better off using something like the testing facilities. Not sure my GP could logistically cope with 1000 people a day through the doors - remember at that point you won't be immune so social distancing will still be needed.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,581
RedSalmon said:
Have just seen an article in the Guardian (unable to link) saying the Government are expecting GP clinics to administer 975 vaccines a week, working 12 hour shifts, seven days a week. Hope they plan and organise this better than the ongoing fiasco we know as Track and Trace.
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Or even better than the flu vaccines this year...
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,582
chiefdave said:
They might be better off using something like the testing facilities. Not sure my GP could logistically cope with 1000 people a day through the doors - remember at that point you won't be immune so social distancing will still be needed.
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200 a day Dave.
What about WE?
 
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RedSalmon

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  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,583
chiefdave said:
They might be better off using something like the testing facilities. Not sure my GP could logistically cope with 1000 people a day through the doors - remember at that point you won't be immune so social distancing will still be needed.
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The logistics are going to be huge. They will need a sterile area to administer the vaccine, then they will need to observe the person for 15 minutes after to make sure they don't have an adverse reaction.
They will be looking for volunteers to help with the logistics of getting people in and out of the clinic as quickly and efficiently as possible.
 

bulko

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  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,584
RedSalmon said:
If done properly it is quite invasive and uncomfortable.......as I say if done properly.
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I've just had it done at uhcw its not very nice at all goes back really far through your nostril.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,585
wingy said:
200 a day Dave.
What about WE?
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My GP would struggle with that
 

Tommo1993

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  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,586
bulko said:
I've just had it done at uhcw its not very nice at all goes back really far through your nostril.
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Had a night like that in Hillfields
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,587
Deleted member 5849 said:
As long as he doesn't decide to just let us all out into the open as soon as the over-85s are vaccinated, I don't really care.

Frankly a longer timescale actually gives more reassurance they're not hurtling along. However they want to present that to keep people onside is fine.
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Nor do I, I mostly want to teach properly and get married without a mask so whatever it takes.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,588
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Nor do I, I mostly want to teach properly and get married without a mask so whatever it takes.
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You won't have to wear a mask. The people in the congregation will, but you won't
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,589
It really feels here in Italy that it’s on the verge of being majorly out of control, positive people everywhere now
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,590
Sick Boy said:
It really feels here in Italy that it’s on the verge of being majorly out of control, positive people everywhere now
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Still won’t close the schools though right
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,591
bulko said:
I've just had it done at uhcw its not very nice at all goes back really far through your nostril.
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My girlfriend is being tested for it everyday this week, 2 of her colleagues tested positive on a shift last week - must be shite
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,592
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Still won’t close the schools though right
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Secondary are teaching online now, (14 plus) - been that way for 2 weeks
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,593
RedSalmon said:
Have just seen an article in the Guardian (unable to link) saying the Government are expecting GP clinics to administer 975 vaccines a week, working 12 hour shifts, seven days a week. Hope they plan and organise this better than the ongoing fiasco we know as Track and Trace.
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Depends entirely on whether they go for healthcare professionals this time or stick with their strategy of their mates and wives to run the vaccine program.
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,594

UK set to cut Covid self-isolation to 10 days after Cummings and Whitty row

Exclusive: plan to cut from 14 days came after argument between England’s chief medical officer and PM’s aide
www.theguardian.com
 
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RedSalmon

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  • Nov 10, 2020
  • #35,595
shmmeee said:
Depends entirely on whether they go for healthcare professionals this time or stick with their strategy of their mates and wives to run the vaccine program.
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It's got 'Potential Shambles' written all over it.
Hope I am wrong but the Government's track record is not good.
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