That's a fair while ago they said that (in relative terms!).But that argument falls apart when the government is pushing the universities to deliver courses entirely online but also not allow students to leave campus.
The only answer is to move what you can online and have the gov bail out the unis for lost students/deferrals. We need to stop tinkering around the edges hoping the virus just disappears and actually take some decisive action.That's a fair while ago they said that (in relative terms!).
Look, I'm all for them shutting down, trust me(!) but I can safely say the universities (or some of them, at least) are somewhat more reticent about it. They want to supply their 'world leading service' so they keep getting students coming and paying their fees.
But that argument falls apart when the government is pushing the universities to deliver courses entirely online but also not allow students to leave campus.
Ministers want to place universities in England into lockdown for two weeks before Christmas, with students told to remain on campus and all teaching carried out online, the Guardian has learned.
Under the government’s plan, which is in its early stages, universities would go into lockdown from 8 December until 22 December, when all students would be allowed to return to their home towns.
The move is designed to deliver on Boris Johnson’s pledge to “get students home safely for Christmas” but prevent the spread of the virus by limiting mixing between the student body and wider community in the weeks before more than a million students travel home.
They're not, in certain (prestigious) universities.That courses are now being done online shows this was always possible
Just watched a Q and A with a scientist from Coventry(think that's correct) on bbc news and one of teh questions was why is it OK for my kids to go to school but not play football... And the answer basically was you could argue outdoor football was better and safer but school is more important to children....Importance over safety... The universities being open is senseless too
I don't understand why the UK media, so willing to show overrun hospitals in Italy in February this year do so little to show what's going on in hospitals on Merseyside
Where do you get the admissions data? CheersCases isn't usually lagged but deaths are. Hopefully the growth in cases is slowing now, just don't think it'll turn around to anywhere near the level needed in 4 weeks given how high the residual number of cases is. Hospital admissions still on the rise and now at 1500 a day which means big numbers of deaths pretty much locked in for a while yet.
Can't find the data but does anybody know what proportion of hospitalisations end up in ICU?
They are. BBC lunchtime news are in a Liverpool hospital reporting thats it's nearly at capacity and they're transferring patients to other hospitals. Consultants saying all non essential operations cancelled and some minor cancer operations are also being cancelled.
Why no figures
There's definitely something go on, too many people and organisations saying similar things now for it to be totally made up. Assume there's a vaccine that is giving the required results but they won't make any formal announcement until it has passed every stage and is ready to go.NHS staff and over 85s could be given the vaccine from next month....fingers crossed as it’s the only way out this hell
Sadly our numbers are only going the same way in time, think its going to be very bleak into DecemberFrance deaths 854
Only old people though who had flu and cancer as well I’m sure
That's a good u turn though. Was crazy they couldn't!Another u-turn incoming. Pubs will now be allowed to sell take away beer during lockdown.
Well I recently tested positive for Covid was rough for 3 days but recovered quickly after that....shit that I’ve just come out of isolation for us to go back into lockdown but oh well! Hope all is well with you and let’s hope these vaccines come out soonThere's definitely something go on, too many people and organisations saying similar things now for it to be totally made up. Assume there's a vaccine that is giving the required results but they won't make any formal announcement until it has passed every stage and is ready to go.
How are you coping now Dom? Hopefully things looking a bit better for you. Be a lot easier to get through lockdown 2 and a disrupted Christmas if we know things will start to get back to normal next year, even allowing for the 6-9 months it will take to roll out to everyone.
Well I recently tested positive for Covid was rough for 3 days but recovered quickly after that....shit that I’ve just come out of isolation for us to go back into lockdown but oh well! Hope all is well with you and let’s hope these vaccines come out soon
Well I recently tested positive for Covid was rough for 3 days but recovered quickly after that....shit that I’ve just come out of isolation for us to go back into lockdown but oh well! Hope all is well with you and let’s hope these vaccines come out soon
NHS staff and over 85s could be given the vaccine from next month....fingers crossed as it’s the only way out this hell
Another u-turn incoming. Pubs will now be allowed to sell take away beer during lockdown.
This may surprise and seem a bit callous but although I agree with the NHS staff I think over-85's should be a priority due to their vulnerability but maybe not that high a priority.
This is because if we want to see an end to this then we need to vaccinate those most likely to be in contact with many people, esp in different age groups. So for example working/middle aged people who will have kids that will have mixed with other kids but also have to support ageing parents, as well as probably work and meet a variety of people there are more likely to come into contact and spread the disease to those elderly people.
Although it's a sad indictment of our society, many elderly people do have rather restricted or small contact groups. So if we could protect those that come into contact with them like family support and carers that could have a bigger effect than concentrating on the elderly themselves. Younger people are not automatically guranteed to not be hugely effected by this virus let alone die, and having younger people who families rely on for income unable to work due to complications from the virus, or even the effect on a family that loses a parent/child to it or they have to then provide long term care for has massive potential psychological costs as well as ones for society and welfare that could be felt for generations.
And to sell it to the Tories it also allows them to get back to work, become economically active and reduce their need to provide support.
But it's ultimately down to the science and if they think the best thing to do is vaccinate the elderly first then that's what should happen. They've been ignored too much already at massive costs in terms of lives and economics.
It’s Christmas not Xmas.Good to hear you've recovered quickly. Hopefully you should now have a bit of immunity to it over Xmas and the winter months.
I'm not saying this next bit to get you down but just as a 'be prepared', but I do feel they may extend the lockdown by a couple of weeks to get the numbers down for Xmas so they allow people to see each other over the festive period, but if they do that I also wouldn't be surprised to see them re-enter lockdown sometime in Jan as that decision will make numbers increase again.
Arguably it'd be better to have things closed over Xmas and new year in terms of infection (as it co-incides withschools being off too) but I have to admit this would have a massive psychological effect on many, many people as it's the time of year most people associate with family and it could well increase that sense of loneliness and desperation. Mixed in with it being the time of year when depression is at its most prevalent and things like SAD come to the fore that further effect on mental health after this shitshow of a year should be avoided wherever possible.
I'm guessing a major factor is the huge majority of those who become seriously ill are the frail & elderly, they get admitted to hospital & then spend weeks on end in a critical care bed before either finally dying or recovering......
Protect the most vulnerable directly by vaccine to protect the rest of the population indirectly from a collapsing health care system & public services.
Think that will be the plan. Start with the most vulnerable and work from there while gradually opening things back up. Hopefully they will resist the temptation to open things up too quickly. Open up slowly and keep a close eye on how its impacting cases, hospitalisation and ICU use.I'm guessing a major factor is the huge majority of those who become seriously ill are the frail & elderly, they get admitted to hospital & then spend weeks on end in a critical care bed before either finally dying or recovering......
Protect the most vulnerable directly by vaccine to protect the rest of the population indirectly from a collapsing health care system & public services.
I am going to assume that high risk under 65 includes children?This is the current plan but obviously until we know more very much subject to change.
Priority order is:
What doesn't seem to be mentioned is how long they expect each step to take.
- older adults’ resident in a care home and care home workers
- all those 80 years of age and over and health and social care workers
- all those 75 years of age and over
- all those 70 years of age and over
- all those 65 years of age and over
- high-risk adults under 65 years of age
- moderate-risk adults under 65 years of age
- all those 60 years of age and over
- all those 55 years of age and over
- all those 50 years of age and over
- rest of the population (priority to be determined)
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