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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,281
clint van damme said:
Starmer knows to call for it would give Johnson a stick to beat him with where as now he's got him totally bang to rights over locking down too late.
I think he's played this right so credit where it's due.
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Politically I understand, but it shouldn’t just be the teachers’ union arguing for school closure.
 

chiefdave

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,282
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Anyone could have seen it coming Wingy, they decided to plough on and hope for the best.
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Not according to Gove. He’s doing the media rounds this morning with the ‘nobody could have predicted this’ mantra.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,283
chiefdave said:
Not according to Gove. He’s doing the media rounds this morning with the ‘nobody could have predicted this’ mantra.
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Of course he is. This government hasn’t conceded a single mistake all year so why start now?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,284
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Of course he is. This government hasn’t conceded a single mistake all year so why start now?
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Makes him look like a Pratt

Expect there to be a big spike 7th January
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,285
Sky Blue Pete said:
Makes him look like a Pratt

Expect there to be a big spike 7th January
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We know that schools are the driver but they don’t trust us to teach remotely after having done it for a term. My subject has been ruined anyway, being on site makes no difference.
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,286
So who did the leak?
 

Sky_Blue_Daz

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,287
Personally I’d shut the schools and universities too , particularly a school environment this time of year colds, flus and bugs get passed around anyway
 
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stay_up_skyblues

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,288
wingy said:
What a balls up.
To not combine half term into this equation and plan /time pre emptively is blind and unforgivable
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This is the key thing for me. Can’t really be arsed to go into detail but it is a difficult situation to deal with and balancing the spread versus damage to the economy and everything that comes with it is not an enviable position to be in.

BUT... with a further lockdown inevitable, doing a week after half term is beyond a joke and unforgivable. Smacks of having no plan and winging it almost day to day. I mean, Wales actually demonstrated how to do it in real time.

Also, the slides blatantly knocked together 20 minutes before the briefing looked like something my lad came up with in his year 8 IT lesson.
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,289
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Starmer is wrong too
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I think you guys should form your own political party
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,290
stay_up_skyblues said:
This is the key thing for me. Can’t really be arsed to go into detail but it is a difficult situation to deal with and balancing the spread versus damage to the economy and everything that comes with it is not an enviable position to be in.

BUT... with a further lockdown inevitable, doing a week after half term is beyond a joke and unforgivable. Smacks of having no plan and winging it almost day to day. I mean, Wales actually demonstrated how to do it in real time.

Also, the slides blatantly knocked together 20 minutes before the briefing looked like something my lad came up with in his year 8 IT lesson.
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The cost to the the economy from these measures is £20B a week according to Marr .
Wonder what it was in the tiered approach?
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,291
wingy said:
So who did the leak?
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Not him or Hancock when asked on Marr .
Still think I heard Kuenssberg suggest Rishi was for Circuit break,not tiers yesterday afternoon.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,292
Grendel said:
I think you guys should form your own political party
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You do realise it’s possible to support a party without agreeing with everything the leader says all of the time
 
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chiefdave

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,293
Sky Blue Pete said:
Expect there to be a big spike 7th January
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Potentially a scenario where we come out of lockdown on December 2nd as planned with the numbers having dropped back down leading to people thinking its fine to go back out again right when its Christmas party season.

Followed by sending uni students home for a few days and then back to uni to make sure its spread around the country and to the older generations. Could easily see the numbers shoot back up and we'll be back in the same position we are now looking at an imminent lockdown 3.

Don't think it's a particularly far fetched scenario. Certainly something the government will have to put some thought towards avoiding.
 
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  • Nov 1, 2020
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chiefdave said:
Certainly something the government will have to put some thought towards avoiding.
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lol
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,295
Interested to see more data from NI once the prolonged school closure kicks in.
 

chiefdave

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,296
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Interested to see more data from NI once the prolonged school closure kicks in.
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Certainly looking like the right decision at the moment.

 

LastGarrison

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,297
chiefdave said:
Certainly looking like the right decision at the moment.

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What the fuck is going on in Wales? That’s concerning.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,298
LastGarrison said:
What the fuck is going on in Wales? That’s concerning.
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Takes a week or two
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,299
chiefdave said:
Certainly looking like the right decision at the moment.

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Guess what actually following the evidence does
 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,300
Grendel said:
I think you guys should form your own political party
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the don't siphon public money to your mates party

 
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LastGarrison

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,301
Sky Blue Pete said:
Takes a week or two
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But in comparison to the NI figures and their circuit break.......
 
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chiefdave

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,302
Some good news. Victoria seems to have got a grip on the outbreak they had after issues with returning traveller quarantine.

Australia records zero Covid-19 cases for first time in five months

Locally-transmitted cases have dropped to zero and one state is hopeful for a "normal Christmas".
www.bbc.co.uk
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,303
chiefdave said:
Certainly looking like the right decision at the moment.

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Clearly not all about the schools tho....and NI stats are heavily skewed due to big uni outbreaks in derry and Belfast.

Liverpool cases also show a drop off in cases that matches the tier 3 intro. In the region around middle of the month.....and schools didn't shut for HT until the last week of Oct.

Welsh schools have been shut for a fortnight and look at that curve....

Again, Its not all about the schools....
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,304
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Clearly not all about the schools tho....and NI stats are heavily skewed due to big uni outbreaks in derry and Belfast.

Liverpool cases also show a drop off in cases that matches the tier 3 intro. In the region around middle of the month.....and schools didn't shut for HT until the last week of Oct.

Welsh schools have been shut for a fortnight and look at that curve....

Again, Its not all about the schools....
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If it’s not then let me out of a box and to do my job
 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,305
please be true FFS

 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,306
clint van damme said:
please be true FFS

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Hope so meant to be getting married then
 
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stay_up_skyblues

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,307
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Hope so meant to be getting married then
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Same. Well, we were supposed to be getting married three weeks today but postponed.
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,308
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Clearly not all about the schools tho....and NI stats are heavily skewed due to big uni outbreaks in derry and Belfast.

Liverpool cases also show a drop off in cases that matches the tier 3 intro. In the region around middle of the month.....and schools didn't shut for HT until the last week of Oct.

Welsh schools have been shut for a fortnight and look at that curve....

Again, Its not all about the schools....
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Not yet they haven't and only a couple of senior school yr groups ar out for the duration .
I think NI May have gone for an extended complete LD inc schoolkids.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,309
chiefdave said:
Certainly looking like the right decision at the moment.

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Why then show a graph suggesting it isn’t!
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,310
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Clearly not all about the schools tho....and NI stats are heavily skewed due to big uni outbreaks in derry and Belfast.

Liverpool cases also show a drop off in cases that matches the tier 3 intro. In the region around middle of the month.....and schools didn't shut for HT until the last week of Oct.

Welsh schools have been shut for a fortnight and look at that curve....

Again, Its not all about the schools....
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And yes it does look like Tier 3 has had some effect
Edit :- returned the rate to the level/trajectory it was on at the point of implementation

Not forgetting there was a lag of close to of around 4-5 weeks between scientific advice,then delivery and squabbles over this .
Frankly fucking awful dither and delay in as per , including Burnham whatever his reasoning.
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,311
wingy said:
Not yet they haven't and only a couple of senior school yr groups ar out for the duration .
I think NI May have gone for an extended complete LD in MC schoolkids.
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Ireland closed for two weeks and England closed for 1 of those weeks and there’s a transmission lag?
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,312
wingy said:
Not yet they haven't and only a couple of senior school yr groups ar out for the duration .
I think NI May have gone for an extended complete LD inc schoolkids.
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Only two year groups are allowed in senior schools in Wales until Nov 9
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,313
stay_up_skyblues said:
Same. Well, we were supposed to be getting married three weeks today but postponed.
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Have friends getting married at the end of May and it’s crazy to think that may not happen.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,314
Grendel said:
Only two year groups are allowed in senior schools in Wales until Nov 9
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I’d even take that
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,315
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I’d even take that
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Sorry said it wrong only years 7 and 8 are not allowed
 
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