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wingy

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  • Oct 31, 2020
  • #35,246
David O'Day said:
also nothing for the self employed again
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We can carry on ,well tradesmen.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 31, 2020
  • #35,247
Ian1779 said:
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This is why schools should be closed. They might not be getting ill but they sure as hell transmit it.
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Any data out there for teachers.
 

Ian1779

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  • Oct 31, 2020
  • #35,248
wingy said:
Any data out there for teachers.
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No I don’t think so - saying that student to teacher transmission should be very limited due to adjustments in place, especially in Secondary. I imagine significant majority would be in Primary settings.
 
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RegTheDonk

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  • Oct 31, 2020
  • #35,249
Ian1779 said:
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This is why schools should be closed. They might not be getting ill but they sure as hell transmit it.
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Yes, 95% of the self-isolations or infections that I've personally know about can be attributed to kids bringing it home from a school setting.
 

RegTheDonk

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  • Oct 31, 2020
  • #35,250
wingy said:
We can carry on ,well tradesmen.
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The 80% and 70% injections did help to be fair. Don't know if there will be any help for this latest lockdown, didn't see the press conf Q&A
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 31, 2020
  • #35,251
Ian1779 said:
No I don’t think so - saying that student to teacher transmission should be very limited due to adjustments in place, especially in Secondary. I imagine significant majority would be in Primary settings.
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Asymptomatic in children has been around 40-45% according to studies.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 31, 2020
  • #35,252
RegTheDonk said:
The 80% and 70% injections did help to be fair. Don't know if there will be any help for this latest lockdown, didn't see the press conf Q&A
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Me neither, would have thought so .
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 31, 2020
  • #35,253
clint van damme said:
Has kuenssberg upset someone? have the tories got a new unofficial spokesman?

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Felt inevitable for a little while now. It'll help but once again later than it should've been and people will die because of it.

Don't understand keeping the schools etc open when the increase in cases correlates very well with the return to school (I know this isn't causation and many other factors are likely to be involved).

If Peston is correct it says outbound int travel is banned, domestic travel discouraged. What about inbound? Surely this is just as important? At the very least make sure everyone is forced into quarantine and traceable.
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 31, 2020
  • #35,254
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
If Peston is correct it says outbound int travel is banned, domestic travel discouraged. What about inbound? Surely this is just as important? At the very least make sure everyone is forced into quarantine and traceable.
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Think this was posted earlier in the thread but it indicates the current procedure for quarantining people coming into the country isn't working. I say procedure but from what I can make out you arrive at the airport and are then free to jump on the tube, coach etc with zero quarantine enforcement.

Coronavirus strain from Spain accounts for most UK cases – study

Experts say UK’s travel policy in summer was flawed as ‘the virus moves when people move’
www.theguardian.com
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 31, 2020
  • #35,255
chiefdave said:
Think this was posted earlier in the thread but it indicates the current procedure for quarantining people coming into the country isn't working. I say procedure but from what I can make out you arrive at the airport and are then free to jump on the tube, coach etc with zero quarantine enforcement.

Coronavirus strain from Spain accounts for most UK cases – study

Experts say UK’s travel policy in summer was flawed as ‘the virus moves when people move’
www.theguardian.com
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Exactly.

it's like they're leaving out probably the biggest transmitters of the disease. Why?

Sorry to go all brexit again but wasn't one of the big things control of our borders? Well, we need that border control now to literally stop people dying.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 31, 2020
  • #35,256
Walsgrave said:
Thank goodness furlough has been extended, it will be a lifeline for hospitality. Seems like it will be too late for those who were made redundant recently.
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Too late for a lot of people who have already lost jobs. Sunak is a c**t.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 31, 2020
  • #35,257
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Felt inevitable for a little while now. It'll help but once again later than it should've been and people will die because of it.

Don't understand keeping the schools etc open when the increase in cases correlates very well with the return to school (I know this isn't causation and many other factors are likely to be involved).

If Peston is correct it says outbound int travel is banned, domestic travel discouraged. What about inbound? Surely this is just as important? At the very least make sure everyone is forced into quarantine and traceable.
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It kind of does, the infections surged first in university and school age people, then it moved to older people. Simple reason is being in a massive bubble seems to mean you can do whatever with each other all day.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 31, 2020
  • #35,258
Lots of Conservative party and Tory MP’s tweets being resurrected from the last few weeks. They’ve not aged well.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Oct 31, 2020
  • #35,259
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It kind of does, the infections surged first in university and school age people, then it moved to older people. Simple reason is being in a massive bubble seems to mean you can do whatever with each other all day.
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I can mix with 1200 different kids and adults inside for 7 hours a day, but I can’t go to my Dads house.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 31, 2020
  • #35,260
Ian1779 said:
I can mix with 1200 different kids and adults inside for 7 hours a day, but I can’t go to my Dads house.
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Can't you make a bubble?
 
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Ian1779

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  • Oct 31, 2020
  • #35,261
wingy said:
Can't you make a bubble?
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No as I’ve already got a bubble with the wife’s Mum and husband as they live round the corner and have no one else. They are both also over 75 so fall into the vulnerable category so we get stuff for them etc.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 31, 2020
  • #35,262
Ian1779 said:
I can mix with 1200 different kids and adults inside for 7 hours a day, but I can’t go to my Dads house.
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I also see shopping delivery slots are like gold dust but of course teachers don't get priority
 

Ian1779

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  • Oct 31, 2020
  • #35,263
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I also see shopping delivery slots are like gold dust but of course teachers don't get priority
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I bet people have been taking them all since they got a sniff of this last night.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 31, 2020
  • #35,264
Ian1779 said:
I bet people have been taking them all since they got a sniff of this last night.
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Yup and as I don't drive getting a week's shopping will be a load of fun
 

Ian1779

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  • Oct 31, 2020
  • #35,265
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Yup and as I don't drive getting a week's shopping will be a load of fun
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I’m sure the 3 guys on here that think it’s an over exaggeration will happily pop and get your weekly shop for you.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 31, 2020
  • #35,266
Ian1779 said:
I’m sure the 3 guys on here that think it’s an over exaggeration will happily pop and get your weekly shop for you.
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I’d get G to do it but he’s in Portsmouth all week
 

SBAndy

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,267
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Yup and as I don't drive getting a week's shopping will be a load of fun
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Genuinely will do a shop for you if you need it at any stage. Let me know.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,268
But writing in the Sunday Telegraph, former Conservative leader Sir Iain Duncan Smith accused the prime minister of "giving in to the scientific advisers".
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Fancy, listening to experts.

Why is the biggest failure as Tory leader... ever, even given a voice? Why does he hold influence with Johnson?
 
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David O'Day

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,269
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I also see shopping delivery slots are like gold dust but of course teachers don't get priority
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morrisons still have loads round here, so try them for where you live and you maybe in luck
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,270
It's a savage indictment of government policy that many areas in the country are moving from tier one... to full lockdown beyond tier three. Surely if the original policy was right, we should *all* have been in tier three by now, and needing to move *beyond* it?

It makes little sense, otherwise!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,271
SBAndy said:
Genuinely will do a shop for you if you need it at any stage. Let me know.
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Will try family first but will keep it in mind. Thank you!
 
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wingy

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,272
What a balls up.
To not combine half term into this equation and plan /time pre emptively is blind and unforgivable
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,273
wingy said:
What a balls up.
To not combine half term into this equation and plan /time pre emptively is blind and unforgivable
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That's a very good point.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,274
wingy said:
What a balls up.
To not combine half term into this equation and plan /time pre emptively is blind and unforgivable
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Anyone could have seen it coming Wingy, they decided to plough on and hope for the best. Now they want a month of closing everything good while keeping the crap and keeping open a big driver of infection.
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,275
Yep....when sage suggested a circuit breaker for 21/09 and you even had northern labour leaders calling for strict local lockdowns on 29/09........and here we are...nearly 6 weeks on. Surely this is bordering on criminal negligence?

As a side note, liverpool's infection rate has dropped from nearly 700 per 100k to around 400 per 100k in the couple weeks since tier 3 restrictions....still way too high but again more proof that hospitality has had a major impact on transmission rates....far more so than the lobbyists would have you believe
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,276
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Anyone could have seen it coming Wingy, they decided to plough on and hope for the best. Now they want a month of closing everything good while keeping the crap and keeping open a big driver of infection.
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Starmer says it’s vital schools do not close again regardless
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,277
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Anyone could have seen it coming Wingy, they decided to plough on and hope for the best. Now they want a month of closing everything good while keeping the crap and keeping open a big driver of infection.
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And as those self same scientific experts have said it'll take longer to come down, if schools and universities remain open, that suggests more damage to the economy as a result.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,278
Grendel said:
Starmer says it’s vital schools do not close again regardless
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Starmer is wrong too
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,279
Deleted member 5849 said:
And as those self same scientific experts have said it'll take longer to come down, if schools and universities remain open, that suggests more damage to the economy as a result.
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Yup. Has made me decide I’m seeing family on Christmas Day regardless of what they say.
 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 1, 2020
  • #35,280
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Starmer is wrong too
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Starmer knows to call for it would give Johnson a stick to beat him with where as now he's got him totally bang to rights over locking down too late.
I think he's played this right so credit where it's due.
 
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