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Conor Chaplin - Signing Confirmed (Finally!) (1 Viewer)

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Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue

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  • Jul 26, 2018
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There’s nothing from our Club, or the transfer policy of the last ten years, that suggests to me that we will spend decent money (excluding nominal fees and extending contracts) to bring a goal scorer in. Again I hope I’m wrong.
 
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Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,087
Nick said:
The McNulty we got on a free?
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Your favourite argument, listing off the few goal scorers we got for free. Look my initial point is we need a replacement and we need to give Robins some of the money from McNulty to help get a replacement goal scorer and I can’t see too many freebie ones about.
The fact some people lauded £1.2 million for McNulty as being good value is surprising for me, as Robins won’t be given enough of that money/a sizeable chunk/whatever you call it to directly replace him.
 

Nick

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,088
Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue said:
Your favourite argument, listing off the few goal scorers we got for free. Look my initial point is we need a replacement and we need to give Robins some of the money from McNulty to help get a replacement goal scorer and I can’t see too many freebie ones about.
The fact some people lauded £1.2 million for McNulty as being good value is surprising for me, as Robins won’t be given enough of that money/a sizeable chunk/whatever you call it to directly replace him.
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No I am talking about the one you are saying we need to replace which contradicts your statement we need to spend loads of money on a transfer fee to replace him. It isn't always just about a transfer fee or renewing a contract.

As for no strikers being paid for, I am glad you can forget Freddy Eastwood, Lukas Jutkiewicz and especially Cody McDonald.

Do you want me to come and help you move the goalposts for your next reply?
 
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Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,089
Nick said:
No I am talking about the one you are saying we need to replace which contradicts your statement we need to spend loads of money on a transfer fee to replace him. It isn't always just about a transfer fee or renewing a contract.

As for no strikers being paid for, I am glad you can forget Freddy Eastwood, Lukas Jutkiewicz and especially Cody McDonald.

Do you want me to come and help you move the goalposts for your next reply?
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Yes because they were great goalscorers weren’t they Nick, one of them ever broke into double figures once....We’ve lost a goal scorer that scored 28 goals last season, I’m saying Robins should be given a decent amount of money to replace him and you’re going to the n’th as always and bringing up shit forwards that we bought 6/7 years ago as proving we spend money on replacements.

Sorry Nick ‘my ball, my rules’ Almighty!
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,090
Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue said:
Okay, if you’re going to take it the n’th degree, I take it back, here’s my amended statement - I don’t think he has enough money to spend in order to replace McNulty effectively.
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Robins’ first choice replacement for McNulty is Chaplin, where money is not the problem, but rather dependent on Portsmouth find a replacement. So he does have the money to replace him...

By ‘replace him effectively’, people like yourself think buying an Eisa, Marquis or Doidge who will all command over-inflated prices and provide little value for money. In the case of Eisa, I thought Pompey would’ve been punching above their weight signing him, and it didn’t come as a surprise a Championship club beat them to him.

The same people last year were lamenting missing out on Collins and bemoaning McNulty for not being a ‘natural’ goalscorer.

Generally, it’s better to trust the opinions of football managers than football fans...
 
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Nick

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  • Jul 26, 2018
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Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue said:
Yes because they were great goalscorers weren’t they Nick, one of them ever broke into double figures once....We’ve lost a goal scorer that scored 28 goals last season, I’m saying Robins should be given a decent amount of money to replace him and you’re going to the n’th as always and bringing up shit forwards that we bought 6/7 years ago as proving we spend money on replacements.

Sorry Nick ‘my ball, my rules’ Almighty!
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Where have I said "my ball, my rules"? There is nothing almighty in just proving you wrong and making you keep moving the goalposts. You have gone from him not having much money, to a little bit to not enough to replace a player we paid nothing for just over 12 months ago.

I gave you examples of spending money on transfer fees in the last 10 years for strikers. I only brought up players 6/7 years ago to prove that we spent money on strikers, over a million on one because you said about 10 years. You do understand that I wasn't just randomly saying it right?

How much did we pay to bring McNulty in? How much did we pay to bring Leon Clarke in? How much did we pay to bring in Adam Armstrong or McGoldrick?
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,092
Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue said:
I take Robins quotes as managing expectations, as mentioned above, I don’t think he has got a chunk of money to spend but you lot have taken it in the very literal sense of: he said he doesn’t have millions to spend, he didn’t say he didn’t have hundreds of thousands to spent....

It’s called interpretation, not making it up. This is SBT not a police interview.

I’m willing to bet we don’t spend any money on a player to replace McNulty before the end of the transfer window- and no a three year contract to Ponticelli or a nominal fee to a non-League club doesn’t count. I hope I’m wrong mind.
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I think a striker will be coming. 75% chance Chaplin, 15% chance someone else on loan, 10% a different target to chaplin (2nd choice).

I also think a fee has been agreed with Portsmouth in the region of £400,000.
 
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Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,093
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Robins’ first choice replacement for McNulty is Chaplin, where money is not the problem, but rather dependent on Portsmouth find a replacement. So he does have the money to replace him...

By ‘replace him effectively’, people like yourself have buying an Eisa, Marquis or Doidge who will all command over-inflated prices and provide little value for money. In the case of Eisa, I thought Pompey would’ve been punching above their weight signing him, and it didn’t come as a surprise a Championship club beat them to him.

The same people last year were lamenting missing out on Collins and bemoaning McNulty for not being a ‘natural’ goalscorer.

Generally, it’s better to trust the opinions of football managers than football fans...
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I have faith in Robins ability in the transfer market, ability to improve strikers and agree his opinion is worth a hell of a lot more than mine, would like to see him given more of a transfer budget. I would of looked at Collins again or Stockley for the record, rather than the players you mentioned. I hope we get a decent replacement in ASAP.
 

Nick

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,094
Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue said:
I have faith in Robins ability in the transfer market, ability to improve strikers and agree his opinion is worth a hell of a lot more than mine, would like to see him given more of a transfer budget. I would of looked at Collins again or Stockley for the record, rather than the players you mentioned. I hope we get a decent replacement in ASAP.
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How do you even know how much he has been given, how much he has spent already and who he has in mind and what the process of signing them will cost?
 

baldy

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,095
Captain Dart said:
I also think a fee has been agreed with Portsmouth in the region of £400,000.
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How'd ya know that?
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,096
Nick said:
You said:



I just asked where he had done that as did others. Now you don't think he has "a chunk".

Also, where and when has all of the other money disappeared into thin air and how do you know none of it has been used already on bringing players in?
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In fairness I'm sure I read somewhere that Robins said he didn't have much money to spend and was looking to develop a McNulty replacment rather than splashing out on one.

I don't agree with throwing money at one player anyway, but we do need someone in of some experienced quality otherwise we will really struggle for goals this season.
 

Nick

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,097
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
In fairness I'm sure I read somewhere that Robins said he didn't have much money to spend and was looking to develop a McNulty replacment rather than splashing out on one.

I don't agree with throwing money at one player anyway, but we do need someone in of some experienced quality otherwise we will really struggle for goals this season.
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He said he didn't have millions didn't he? Isn't the same as not having any.
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,098
baldy said:
How'd ya know that?
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In my opinion.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,099
Nick said:
He said he didn't have millions didn't he? Isn't the same as not having any.
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What I took from it was that he was managing the expectations of the fans.

There would never be a day I would imagine they would splash millions on a player, but I know some fans think we should be.

A good value replacement for McNulty is absolutely fine, but it needs to happen in some capacity. Not replacing him isn't an option, and even though Robins is trying, I feel to let this have run on so late should have been avoided.
 

Nick

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,100
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
What I took from it was that he was managing the expectations of the fans.

There would never be a day I would imagine they would splash millions on a player, but I know some fans think we should be.

A good value replacement for McNulty is absolutely fine, but it needs to happen in some capacity. Not replacing him isn't an option, and even though Robins is trying, I feel to let this have run on so late should have been avoided.
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So he wasn't saying he had no money was he?

Maybe he was more managing other clubs asking fee
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,101
Nick said:
So he wasn't saying he had no money was he?
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Did I say he said he had no money?

I stated that I believe he said he didn't have much money to spend.

I think that's what the other Earlsdon is getting at. Maybe his expectations are slightly different with what should be spent, but I think the point still stands. Robins has said he won't be throwing loads of money at a replacement. That's fine by me, but we do need a replacement of some sort as what we have at the moment is not good enough to compete realistically in League 1. You cannot sell your best player and then carry on as if nothing happened. I get that he is trying, but to be short 9 days before the start of the season when McNulty was sold ages ago is a little worrying.
 
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Nick

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,102
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Did I say he said he had no money?

I stated that I believe he said he didn't have much money to spend.

I think that's what the other Earlsdon is getting at. Maybe his expectations are slightly different with what should be spent, but I think the point still stands. Robins has said he won't be throwing loads of money at a replacement. That's fine by me, but we do need a replacement of some sort as what we have at the moment is not good enough to compete realistically in League 1. You cannot sell your best player and then carry on as if nothing happened. I get that he is trying, but to be short 9 days before the start of the season when McNulty was sold ages ago is a little worrying.
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I didn't say you did, you are the one jumping in trying to help him out...

He said he hinted there isn't money to spend, people asked where he read that...

I'm not the one back tracking or moving the goal posts
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,103
Nick said:
I didn't say you did, you are the one jumping in trying to help him out...

He said he hinted there isn't money to spend, people asked where he read that...

I'm not the one back tracking or moving the goal posts
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Settle down. I'm not jumping in to help anyone out, I'm just posting my interpretation. I also never said you were back tracking or moving goals posts.

He is managing the fans and other clubs expectations, that's fine. I just think sending messages to the fans to downplay any McNulty replacement could be adding to the tension, even if the intentions were good. It's fair to be concerned about our strike force as it stands, certainly as it has been a few weeks since McNulty went.
 

Nick

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,104
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Settle down. I'm not jumping in to help anyone out, I'm just posting my interpretation. I also never said you were back tracking or moving goals posts.

He is managing the fans and other clubs expectations, that's fine. I just think sending messages to the fans to downplay any McNulty replacement could be adding to the tension, even if the intentions were good. It's fair to be concerned about our strike force as it stands, certainly as it has been a few weeks since McNulty went.
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Why quote my reply to him to then on about stuff he had posted?
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,105
Nick said:
Why quote my reply to him to then on about stuff he had posted?
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Because it is a football forum and we are supposed to be allowed to post opinions regarding CCFC?

I didn't attack you once, so I'm not sure why you are getting so defensive.
 
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Magwitch

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,106
The money we have got from the McNulty transfer and the windfall from the Maddison deal was always going to burn holes in a lot of fans pockets. Robins has spent the summer recruiting and extending contracts where I think most if not all the present squad are on atleast 2 year contracts. Certain there is dosh available for other signings but I don’t see too many half million pound fees, there will be some good freebies knocking about but will command decent wages
 
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robbiekeane

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,107
Nick said:
The McNulty we got on a free?
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Couldn’t make it up could you :emoji_laughing:
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,108
Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue said:
I have faith in Robins ability in the transfer market, ability to improve strikers and agree his opinion is worth a hell of a lot more than mine, would like to see him given more of a transfer budget. I would of looked at Collins again or Stockley for the record, rather than the players you mentioned. I hope we get a decent replacement in ASAP.
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Collins signed for £200-300k last season IIRC. He’s not worth a penny more than that for him and it’s highly doubtful Luton would sell him for anything less than about £300-500k and his record in L1 hasn’t been anything to rave about, correct me if I’m wrong.

As for Stockley, he’s also wanted by Preston and Ipswich, both Championship teams. It’s all well and good us going for the likes of Eisa and Stockley, but, there’s not a lot of sense of pursuing players wanted by bigger clubs than ourselves (league position, not historically). Preston were a top half Championship team last season.

Finding a replacement for McNulty was never a rushed job. I applaud Robins for selling him early because it gives us the maximum amount of time to replace him instead of having to make a panic buy on deadline day or something. Transfers take time to go through so we’ve got to remain patient. If the window closes and we haven’t signed anymore players, then we can all press the panic button.
 

Astute

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,109
Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue said:
The fact some people lauded £1.2 million for McNulty as being good value is surprising for me, as Robins won’t be given enough of that money/a sizeable chunk/whatever you call it to directly replace him.
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So what do you know that the rest of us don't?

I have kept out of this thread so far as I don't like to look stupid when guessing about things I don't have a clue about.

But one thing is for sure. SISU won't want to risk losing Robins again. Maddison money to help with running our club. McNulty money to strengthen the squad. Finer details to be decided.

And Robins doesn't go shouting about his targets. I prefer it this way. If the transfer window shuts and we don't have a replacement I will join you in showing my displeasure. But not until then.
 
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covcity4life

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,110
Clear from robin's words that Chaplin is plan a and he is considering plan b on the fly

So I am happy to wait potentially for Chaplin for another week rather than panic buy
 

Irish Sky Blue

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,111
I always liked Lukas Jutkiewicz. I thought he was a very good player for the Championship. I still think if we had kept hold of him we would not have been relegated. I was hoping we might get him back but I don’t think he would drop into this league.
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,112
Nick said:
I didn't say you did, you are the one jumping in trying to help him out...

He said he hinted there isn't money to spend, people asked where he read that...

I'm not the one back tracking or moving the goal posts
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Careful Nick, you're only a moving the goalpost gif away from entering SBK territory.
 

ceetee

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,113
Irish Sky Blue said:
I always liked Lukas Jutkiewicz. I thought he was a very good player for the Championship. I still think if we had kept hold of him we would not have been relegated. I was hoping we might get him back but I don’t think he would drop into this league.
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I also liked him but he isn't a prolific scorer. He works defences well but needs someone to feed off him
 

Irish Sky Blue

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,114
ceetee said:
I also liked him but he isn't a prolific scorer. He works defences well but needs someone to feed off him
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Yes, I would agree with that.
 

Hobo

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,115
Irish Sky Blue said:
I always liked Lukas Jutkiewicz. I thought he was a very good player for the Championship. I still think if we had kept hold of him we would not have been relegated. I was hoping we might get him back but I don’t think he would drop into this league.
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Wages...especially when he could probably get a move to another Championship side.
 
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Magwitch

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,116
Scored goals for fun here, then went to play for Tony Mowbary, need I say more.
 
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robbiekeane

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,117
Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue said:
Look my initial point is we need a replacement and we need to give Robins some of the money from McNulty to help get a replacement goal scorer and I can’t see too many freebie ones about.
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well if you can't see too many freebies ones about....may as well shut up shop then.

good job you weren't searching for a 28 goal a season striker last year then
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,118
robbiekeane said:
well if you can't see too many freebies ones about....may as well shut up shop then.

good job you weren't searching for a 28 goal a season striker last year then
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Who would you go for then?
 

chiefdave

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,119
Bloody typical. We've found the only footballer in the country who has an agent that won't force through a move.
 
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Paxman II

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  • Jul 26, 2018
  • #1,120
Well well it turns out my daughters landlord for her student house is none other than Lee Brown the Portsmouth left back!
Met him the other day, nice bloke. He's been doing really well last couple of seasons. Seems like a good wing back and just went to Portsmouth from Bristol.
If I see him again next week I'll ask him for the scoop on Chaplin!
 
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