The fact people are pissed off by it suggests they either don't agree with the views, have already heard them, or at the very least are listening - but the issue is less important than the impact of the protest disruption to them.The fact you're bothering to insult them and categorise and compartmentalise them shows you're listening.
Walked across Waterloo bridge Monday night. A handful of well informed people the rest the usual crew stoned and dancing about. There was even a live band playing from inside of a grotty diesel powered transit. Whole place stunk of plastic middle class rebellion like every protest in the last god knows how many years
How do you know??? Man might not be having any significant impact at all.This is the first man made climate cycle. The only thing that’s going to change it is wholesale change in man made behaviour. That’s the point you’re not so eloquently missing.
I managed to get to London and back without seeing any of them.
There was just loads of twats causing disruption by not knowing how to drive and crashing into the back of people on the M25 and m1
That is not entirely true...one of the super-glued people is a GP apparently.Personally i would machine gun all of them.......If it wasn't this then it would be something else...........Vile scum who take and give fcuk all back to society...
What? You mean disrupt their own lives? You are joking aren't you? If they were challenged - I doubt very few will have made anything other than a token effort to change what they themselves do.You know what would be productive? If every one of them got a bin bag and filled it with rubbish from the streets and rivers and hedgerows. If every one of them stopped buying bottled water. Stopped driving cars. Stopped watching TV or using a power outlet to charge their phones. But fuck that. Too much like hard work. Better to lie on the road and pretend to have a social conscious than actually do anything practical.
Every bit helps...& you lead by exampleWouldn't help at all if they were the only people to do it.
The vast majority of experts believe it is a problem. It's a remarkably small number who don't.Just like Brexit - you are latching onto popular 'expert' opinion which can often be countered by equally qualified experts that do not get the same popular coverage.
All I am thinking is that people who feel as strongly as some of us on here do, that can identify someone amongst said protesters may find themselves compelled to go disrupt the activities in this vevengeful society. The protestors would probably make much fuss about it but gain little sympathyIt wouldn't. It'd be a small pinprick and wouldn't encourage people to take personal responsibility. It'd just mean somebody clears up after them, it wouldn't affect either the consumption or production if all they do is brush the problem under the carpet (or hedgerow!)
Or other morons didn't work to buy stuff packaged in stuff they don't want produced by other morons in an effort to give an option for other morons feeling need to 'improve'(?) their quality of life.What would be more productive is if the morons who dumped the litter in the first place didn’t drop it in the first place.
Or other morons didn't work to buy stuff packaged in stuff they don't want produced by other morons in an effort to give an option for other morons feeling need to 'improve'(?) their quality of life.
There will be 100s of 000s unnecessarily travelling to football matches this weekend to have some entertainment. That leaves a carbon footprint damaging the environment. Those that cannot get there might well feel inclined to watch on TV either live or highlights later...I'm sure you won't be one of them will you? Or maybe you will find some argument to excuse yourself & fellow fans?
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Or other morons didn't work to buy stuff packaged in stuff they don't want produced by other morons in an effort to give an option for other morons feeling need to 'improve'(?) their quality of life.
There will be 100s of 000s unnecessarily travelling to football matches this weekend to have some entertainment. That leaves a carbon footprint damaging the environment. Those that cannot get there might well feel inclined to watch on TV either live or highlights later...I'm sure you won't be one of them will you? Or maybe you will find some argument to excuse yourself & fellow fans?
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There is already a co-ordinated global initiative. Many of us have, are or will be undertaking 'awareness' training in one form or another designed to help us make a difference at business & domestic level.The point is, it would need a co-ordinated effort across the globe. It quite clearly isn't going to happen. This protest has sent the cause hurtling backwards. How is shutting down Heathrow, disrupting families going on holiday or visiting relatives, going to get people on-side? It's not. The country isn't buying into it. It's just another London centric 'protest' designed to show their flavour of moral superiority.
Who are inspired by publicity (egotistic perhaps?) Your vast majority may be similarly inspired by media coverage & publicity.The vast majority of experts believe it is a problem. It's a remarkably small number who don't.
So you don't see a link between climate change & packaging & production methods?Your first point is a different environmental issue to climate change but yes we should do more to address it. For instance again we have personal responsibility and simple things we do as individuals can make a big difference. Buy products only in glass jars and bottles, buy only goods in tins. Here’s why. Glass and metal can be recycled an infinite number of times. Plastic IIRC has a recycle life of 10 cycles and then it’s off to land fill. This is something we can drive as individuals. Stop buying squeeze bottles of sauce, stop buying bottles of pop instead of cans. Simple things.
Carbon footprint is a way of life, that isn’t going to change but again there’s things we can do as individuals to address it. Two things I’ve done in the last year is change to a plant base diet and started cycling to work instead of driving. I’ve lost the equivalent of three return trips to Malaga by plane of my carbon footprint overnight with these two very simple things and my health has improved for it also.
Inspired by training, even. Seriously (and I'm not even sure why I'm gracing this with a reply) but think rationally (ha!). What kind of egomaniac thinks they'll become an enviironmental scientist and make up a bunch of fictitious research, in order to get publicity for themselves?!? Who would decide that's the best way to do so?!? Who would publish this made-up research through peer reviewed journals? Other egomaniacs? But they're anonymous reviewers, what's in it for them? Money? You don't get paid for an academic journal article, the rate for reviewing it was a hundred quid a decade ago, so I doubt it's leapt up so people are quids in - and they get their cash if it's rejected or not!Who are inspired by publicity (egotistic perhaps?) Your vast majority may be similarly inspired by media coverage & publicity.
There is such a thing as a bandwagon. 'Environmentally friendly' businesses will have been heavily invested in...so the captialist wheels keep turning, fuelled by media & politicians who have been lobbied in various forms.Inspired by training, even. Seriously (and I'm not even sure why I'm gracing this with a reply) but think rationally (ha!). What kind of egomaniac thinks they'll become an enviironmental scientist and make up a bunch of fictitious research, in order to get publicity for themselves?!? Who would decide that's the best way to do so?!? Who would publish this made-up research through peer reviewed journals? Other egomaniacs? But they're anonymous reviewers, what's in it for them? Money? You don't get paid for an academic journal article, the rate for reviewing it was a hundred quid a decade ago, so I doubt it's leapt up so people are quids in - and they get their cash if it's rejected or not!
Climate change is not my field of expertise. I wouldn't dream to know more than the experts, I have to go with what the vast majority say - given they study such things and I don't. It'd be pretty crazy to go with the minority just because it allows me to harmonise my worldview and not challenge myself.
There is such a thing as a bandwagon. 'Environmentally friendly' businesses will have been heavily invested in...so the captialist wheels keep turning, fuelled by media & politicians who have been lobbied in various forms.
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Much better than digging big friggin holes in the ground surely?There is such a thing as a bandwagon. 'Environmentally friendly' businesses will have been heavily invested in...so the captialist wheels keep turning, fuelled by media & politicians who have been lobbied in various forms.
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What kind of egomaniac thinks they'll become an enviironmental scientist and make up a bunch of fictitious research, in order to get publicity for themselves?!? Who would decide that's the best way to do so?!?
Yes Tony - that is it exactly.You mean like how the oil companies lobbied media and politicians, you mean how Tobacco companies lobbied media and politicians, you mean how chemical companies lobbied media and politicians. All the time polluting our planet and bodies. Seems the shoe is now on the other foot and some don’t like it.
What I am encouraging is perpective. The moneymakers helped sell the oil etc bandwagon. We all loved it. Now they are selling us a different bandwagon which they have already invested in massively & want their return on investment. Let us not be so eager to fall for it so readily again. As individuals we have to consider whether we buy into said bandwagon or not. Some have leapt in, some have no doubt alreadt carefully considered things & bought in, for some it is just another cause to have a kind of anti-establishment-shouty-fun day put protesting.Much better than digging big friggin holes in the ground surely?
Don’t disagree that people need to make up their own mind and equally the practicalities of green technology isn’t there yet and less efficient (cars being a good example). At the moment being green or healthy is more expensive than not, I get my electric from my own companies green energy tariff which is more expensive but it’s better than alternatives, i was in Morrisons today and the 20% fat mince is half the price of 5% mince so what are people going to opt for if they don’t have the cash?What I am encouraging is perpective. The moneymakers helped sell the oil etc bandwagon. We all loved it. Now they are selling us a different bandwagon which they have already invested in massively & want their return on investment. Let us not be so eager to fall for it so readily again. As individuals we have to consider whether we buy into said bandwagon or not. Some have leapt in, some have no doubt alreadt carefully considered things & bought in, for some it is just another cause to have a kind of anti-establishment-shouty-fun day put protesting.
All I know is that a long time before all this really gained momentum - I personally hated what man was/has done & is doing to the planet (that is essentially his own environment) the first time I saw seabirds unable to move bacause they were thickly coated in oil.
I still don't agree with how the protesters are going about it though.
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Your first point is a different environmental issue to climate change but yes we should do more to address it. For instance again we have personal responsibility and simple things we do as individuals can make a big difference. Buy products only in glass jars and bottles, buy only goods in tins. Here’s why. Glass and metal can be recycled an infinite number of times. Plastic IIRC has a recycle life of 10 cycles and then it’s off to land fill. This is something we can drive as individuals. Stop buying squeeze bottles of sauce, stop buying bottles of pop instead of cans. Simple things.
Carbon footprint is a way of life, that isn’t going to change but again there’s things we can do as individuals to address it. Two things I’ve done in the last year is change to a plant base diet and started cycling to work instead of driving. I’ve lost the equivalent of three return trips to Malaga by plane of my carbon footprint overnight with these two very simple things and my health has improved for it also.
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