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Sky_Blue_Dreamer · 2025-07-15T15:50:15+0100

fatso said:
I can see car ownership stopping completely in the next 50 years or so, with autonomous vehicles you will be able to book a driverless car to pick you up and drive you to work, then collect you at the end of your shift and take you home.

In the mean time that car will go off and take numerous other people to work and kids to school and mum to the shops and granny to her hospital appointment etc all before picking you up from work.

This will massively reduce the number of cars on the road, (probably by 90% ish)
And if the cars are fitted with some kind of charged air filters they can pull pollutants out of the air as they travel.

Technology is advancing at an amazing rate, and AI will assist in solving the problems.

To be honest, it's madness to own a vehicle that you only use for an hour a day and that spends 23 hours a day doing nothing.
Future autonomous electric or hydrogen vehicles will be cheap to manufacture need little to no maintanance and cost pennies per mile to hire, they will all have identical power supplies and interchangeable parts with no insurance or tax to pay. There will be no traffic jams, no delays no accidents no boy racers, and very little road maintenance to do (no cones, no road signs, no lights or cameras reqd)

The downsize of this is that 90% of car manufacturers go bust their supply chains go under and unemployment rockets. But with the now rapidly declining global birth rate, which is falling much faster than ever predicted, this may not be an issue in 50 years time.

So our future way of living will be very very different than it is today. I think AI will revolutionise the way the entire world operates.

But if everyone needs to be at work at the same time those autonomous vehicles can't take others after you. So you'd need loads on the roads at peak times meaning congestion would still be the same, then those vehicles would be idle for long periods. Plus if those vehicles have to travel from you to their next client that's even more road time. Basically what you've suggested is taxis for everyone to get to work.

Now if you could make those taxis carry more people...

fatso · 2025-07-15T16:40:28+0100

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But if everyone needs to be at work at the same time those autonomous vehicles can't take others after you. So you'd need loads on the roads at peak times meaning congestion would still be the same, then those vehicles would be idle for long periods. Plus if those vehicles have to travel from you to their next client that's even more road time. Basically what you've suggested is taxis for everyone to get to work.

Now if you could make those taxis carry more people...

I start work at 6am, and my car sits idle in the car park at work all day.

On my way to work nearly every other car I see has 1 occupant in, that's unbelievably inefficient.

An automated vehicle could have more people in and drop me (and others) off at 6am, then off to drop others of at 7am and 8am and school runs for 9am etc etc.
Just open an app, put in your pick up time and destination and let AI do the rest. Your phone location will be your GPS position.
AI will cross reference your journey with millions of other users to determine your route and to collect and drop off other passengers and still get you to work on time.
You'll never need to own a vehicle again.

That's 1 vehicle in place of potentially hundreds.
Different businesses will stagger their start and finish times to make best use of this new tech, but you need to understand that AI will make most current jobs redundant anyway, the days of people "going" to work will be numbered. How many of us do a job that can't be automated and done by robots?

Nick · 2025-07-15T16:42:36+0100

fatso said:
I start work at 6am, and my car sits idle in the car park at work all day.

On my way to work nearly every other car I see has 1 occupant in, that's unbelievably inefficient.

An automated vehicle could have more people in and drop me (and others) off at 6am, then off to drop others of at 7am and 8am and school runs for 9am etc etc.
Just open an app, put in your pick up time and destination and let AI do the rest. Your phone location will be your GPS position.
AI will cross reference your journey with millions of other users to determine your route and to collect and drop off other passengers and still get you to work on time.
You'll never need to own a vehicle again.

That's 1 vehicle in place of potentially hundreds.
Different businesses will stagger their start and finish times to make best use of thos new tech, but you need to understand that AI will make most current jobs redundant anyway, the days of people "going" to work will be numbered. How many of us do a job that can't be automated and done by robots?

That's just uber with a self driving car?

fatso · 2025-07-15T16:57:19+0100

Nick said:
That's just uber with a self driving car?

Basically, but with a computer system that covers a far wider area, and is open to multi pick up and drop offs, with no driver wages to pay, minimal fuel costs, and virtually no maintenance costs, no insurance costs (computer operated driving) etc.

The cost to the user will be so cheap as to make owning your own car pointless.

Imagine 30, 000 people being taken to the CBS, 10 people in a car, with a car doing to 2 drop offs at the CBS one at 1pm for those who want a drink or to use the casino and one at 2pm
That's only 1500 cars, with just pick up and drop off points, no car parks required.
On the way home just go to a pick up point that you would be notified by the app on your phone and off you go.
Even if your on a second vehicle run to get home you'd still be home before you currently get out of the car park.

Just a (very) rough outline of what's possible with full autonomous driverless cars working in conjunction with AI

The future is far different from what we have now, the problems we struggle to grapple with today will be solved in seconds with AI.

Sbarcher · 2025-07-15T17:07:11+0100

As a "free" nation, it riles me when anyone (in this case the Govt) try and rig the market.
If products cannot stand on their self merit, then they fail - so be it.
If someone gets a heat pump and an EV that's over £10,000 of taxpayers (mine and yours!) money moving out of the Exchequer. When essential services are on their knees, this money is better spent on those in greatest need.
Just seems like dogma gone mad at this time.

SBT · 2025-07-15T17:23:50+0100

fatso said:
Imagine 30, 000 people being taken to the CBS, 10 people in a car, with a car doing to 2 drop offs at the CBS one at 1pm for those who want a drink or to use the casino and one at 2pm
That's only 1500 cars, with just pick up and drop off points, no car parks required.
On the way home just go to a pick up point that you would be notified by the app on your phone and off you go.

I believe this is called ‘catching the bus’

1500 cars arranging pick-up and drop-off after the final whistle sounds challenging

Brighton Sky Blue · 2025-07-15T17:28:41+0100

fatso said:
Basically, but with a computer system that covers a far wider area, and is open to multi pick up and drop offs, with no driver wages to pay, minimal fuel costs, and virtually no maintenance costs, no insurance costs (computer operated driving) etc.

The cost to the user will be so cheap as to make owning your own car pointless.

Imagine 30, 000 people being taken to the CBS, 10 people in a car, with a car doing to 2 drop offs at the CBS one at 1pm for those who want a drink or to use the casino and one at 2pm
That's only 1500 cars, with just pick up and drop off points, no car parks required.
On the way home just go to a pick up point that you would be notified by the app on your phone and off you go.
Even if your on a second vehicle run to get home you'd still be home before you currently get out of the car park.

Just a (very) rough outline of what's possible with full autonomous driverless cars working in conjunction with AI

The future is far different from what we have now, the problems we struggle to grapple with today will be solved in seconds with AI.

Imagine if they just added more carriages to the matchday train…

fatso · 2025-07-15T17:45:15+0100

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Imagine if they just added more carriages to the matchday train…

Oh the match day train and the station, what a white elephant.

Brighton Sky Blue · 2025-07-15T17:46:07+0100

fatso said:
Oh the match day train and the station, what a white elephant.

I agree

fatso · 2025-07-15T17:46:18+0100

SBT said:
I believe this is called ‘catching the bus’

1500 cars arranging pick-up and drop-off after the final whistle sounds challenging

Does the bus pick you up from your door and return you home?

It's as dumb as park and ride where you drive your car to a location, only to get on another form of transport to complete your journey. So your using 2 forms of transport and paying for both.

SBT · 2025-07-15T21:16:46+0100

fatso said:
Oh the match day train and the station, what a white elephant.

Strange world where upgrading an existing train station is “a white elephant”, whereas an imaginary fleet of thousands of self-driving cars descending en masse to the CBS at 4:45 every weekend is “so cheap as to make driving your own car pointless”.

Ian1779 · 2025-07-15T22:37:36+0100

fatso said:
Time isnt going to make any difference, it might be 2025 but look how many local councils are poorly run or bankrupt.
Look at the madness in the NHS, all nationalisation would do is put the countries infrastructure in the hands of idiots who would be at the mercy of the unions.

(Much like most of the country is now tbf and has been for years)

The current model just rinses us all for an absolutely shocking service, and strips money out in dividends which leave the country.
So much for saving our country hey….

wingy · 2025-07-15T23:18:30+0100

Ian1779 said:
The current model just rinses us all for an absolutely shocking service, and strips money out in dividends which leave the country.
So much for saving our country hey….

That's the issue here more and more, it's happening with water, electricity, anything of a work nature appears to be,well a second thought and Jobs as such are just secondary to considerations, I don't know how much of GDP is created from going to work servicing Humans and the systems required for communication, but it won't be anything like the time of say 50 or 70 years ago
Shuffling e-paper seems the order of the day.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · 2025-07-15T23:19:40+0100

fatso said:
Imagine 30, 000 people being taken to the CBS, 10 people in a car, with a car doing to 2 drop offs at the CBS one at 1pm for those who want a drink or to use the casino and one at 2pm

Imagine that but with 90 per vehicle and you've got the shuttle bus service.

shmmeee · 2025-07-16T07:43:03+0100

Nick said:
What would you increase for motorists?

Taxes are going up even for EVs so it isn't even as if it's being done on emissions.

Road tax should be be size and weight as that’s what causes the damage and takes up the space. Fuel Duty should at least rise with inflation ideally higher as that’s the anti carbon mechanism that needs to pay for all the shite petrol cars do to people buildings and the environment as well as discourage use.

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