Sky Blue Pete
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Me too
Me tooWasn't the car known to have been used in a shooting (but they didn't know who was driving).
I think there's a massive difference between an investigation and a murder charge.
Where race is still an issue in terms of outcomes and prejudice it’s not a surpriseThey knew about his involvement in another shooting and decided not to release information about it. The police officer wasn't given the same level of respect.
Community relations would be a lot better if they didn't make it a race issue every single time.
Where race is still an issue in terms of outcomes andThey knew about his involvement in another shooting and decided not to release information about it. The police officer wasn't given the same level of respect.
Community relations would be a lot better if they didn't make it a race issue every single time.
I think because I’m not certain that the same thing would have happened if it was a white man doing the same thing that’s whyThey were aware the car was used in a crime. To leave this mans past offences and the fact he was a dangerous member of a notorious gang was not a good idea. Why fear for community relations? Surely any decent member of our community rejoices this filth is dead.
So very trueWhere race is still an issue in terms of outcomes and prejudice it’s not a surprise
I think exactly the same thing would have happened if the only difference in circumstances had been that the driver was white.Where race is still an issue in terms of outcomes and
I think because I’m not certain that the same thing would have happened if it was a white man doing the same thing that’s why
Why?I think exactly the same thing would have happened if the only difference in circumstances had been that the driver was white.
If you don’t believe that to be the case, I’m not sure how you can agree with a not guilty verdict.
You are basically suggesting he was shot because he was black,Why?
Well I hope Haji Wrong can hit the back of the net!Criminality in certain circles regardless of colour is seen as justifiable and the gangster culture fashionable. Police putting a stop it is seen as unjust hence a copper having a price put on his head for stopping a man who enjoyed a bit of shooting himself driving a lethal weapon at him. Western society like many civilisations before it has peaked and is now gradually degrading. Wrong becomes right and right becomes wrong.
Ah ok I see your pointYou are basically suggesting he was shot because he was black,
I’m not sure how difficult is to see that a known gangster, wanted for attempted murder, in charge of a couple of tons of potentially lethal machinery faced by armed policeman might not have foreseen the consequences of his actions.Ah ok I see your point
I am suggesting that is what members of the community may say and it needs engaging with and pointing out why it’s not true or acknowledging it looks like it is and finding ways for it not to be
You can be a victim of a crime as a criminalHe has been in and out of prison for years and was likely to be charged with attempted murder.
Its a joke that he has been portrayed as some kind of innocent victim.
I’ve been thinking of Winston Silcott reading through this.You can be a victim of a crime as a criminal
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I’ve been thinking of Winston Silcott reading through this.
You are funnySubliminal racism
Ok so what do we knowI’m not sure how difficult is to see that a known gangster, wanted for attempted murder, in charge of a couple of tons of potentially lethal machinery faced by armed policeman might not have foreseen the consequences of his actions.
But hey, he was black.
Some interesting statistics there:-Ok so what do we know
Police didn’t know he was a gangster
Police didn’t know he was wanted for attempted murder
They did know he was black
So the question for any researcher is to find similar incidents with white people and see the outcome
Met police have accepted they are institutionally racist
Let me share this IOPC publishes figures on deaths during or following police contact for 2023/24 | Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC)
I wasn’t sure what it would show and now I’ve looked I think it shows in terms of armed police that they are remarkably self controlled to the point of utter professionalism
Of the 2 fatal shootings in 2023-24 both were white
These things are good evidence to show how armed police aren’t going round shooting black people
Ok so what do we know
Police didn’t know he was a gangster
Police didn’t know he was wanted for attempted murder
They did know he was black
So the question for any researcher is to find similar incidents with white people and see the outcome
Met police have accepted they are institutionally racist
Let me share this IOPC publishes figures on deaths during or following police contact for 2023/24 | Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC)
I wasn’t sure what it would show and now I’ve looked I think it shows in terms of armed police that they are remarkably self controlled to the point of utter professionalism
Of the 2 fatal shootings in 2023-24 both were white
These things are good evidence to show how armed police aren’t going round shooting black people
Not disputing the stats, but just for balance on the last point that is per capita and obviously there are a lot more white people than black.Some interesting statistics there:-
Ethnicity:
Even more remarkable when stats also show that black people are 2.2 times as likely to be arrested as white people.
- of the 24 deaths in or following custody, 21 of the deceased were White, one was Black, one was of Mixed ethnicity, and one was of another ethnicity,
- the two men fatally shot by police were White.
- of the 60 other deaths following police contact the IOPC decided to investigate, 44 people were White, 11 were Black, and five were Asian.
- of the 14 deaths in or following custody where there was use of force, 13 of the deceased were White and one was of Mixed ethnicity.
- of the eight other deaths following police contact which involved use of force, six of the deceased were White and two were Black.
And Australian, Polish, French, German, Italian, American, Canadian, Spanish, Greek, Serbo-Croat, Belgian, Swiss, Dutch, Scandinavian, Luxembourgers, Andorrans.Would also be interesting to see for balance, that of those deaths listed as ethnicity being white, how many were here from Romania, Albania etc
Surely any decent member of our community rejoices this filth is dead.
I consider myself a decent member of my community and I'm not going to dance around celebrating someone being shot dead. That's a slippery slope.
Rejoices is hardly the appropriate word.They were aware the car was used in a crime. To leave this mans past offences and the fact he was a dangerous member of a notorious gang was not a good idea. Why fear for community relations? Surely any decent member of our community rejoices this filth is dead.
He was shot because he was a gangland scumbag who broke the law numerous times, refused to stop when confronted by police and then attempted to mow down police officers in order to escape.You are basically suggesting he was shot because he was black,
If that is true, why is that?He was shot because he was a gangland scumbag who broke the law numerous times, refused to stop when confronted by police and then attempted to mow down police officers in order to escape.
The only reason it's such a big issue is because he is black. If it was a white guy, it would barely have got a mention.
Do you think they'd be the same outcry if it had been a black police officer who fired the fatal shot?If that is true, why is that?
Sorry for late reply @Grendel not entirely sure why I was thinking of WS now. Maybe something to do with the police/judicial systems history of wrongfully arresting and convicting black people. Maybe it’s not always easy for communities to distinguish between what is and isn’t police brutality/‘institutional racism’. I dunno.
Yes.Do you think they'd be the same outcry if it had been a black police officer who fired the fatal shot?
If that is true, why is that?
Sorry for late reply @Grendel not entirely sure why I was thinking of WS now. Maybe something to do with the police/judicial systems history of wrongfully arresting and convicting black people. Maybe it’s not always easy for communities to distinguish between what is and isn’t police brutality/‘institutional racism’. I dunno.
If that is true, why is that?
Sorry for late reply @Grendel not entirely sure why I was thinking of WS now. Maybe something to do with the police/judicial systems history of wrongfully arresting and convicting black people. Maybe it’s not always easy for communities to distinguish between what is and isn’t police brutality/‘institutional racism’. I dunno.
Ok. I’m not sure why this replied to my post but I think I kinda agree…it wouldn’t have happened had he not tried to escape, with seemingly little regard for others safety, and he sounds like a ‘wrong un’ alright.Well, law abiding citizens need not be ‘traumatised’ because a career criminal was shot by the police. I would not be traumatised if a random criminal in my community was shot by the police.
In fact, I’d go as far to say that people saying ethnic minorities communities being ‘traumatised’ by this incident is patronising (at best).
It went to trial, just dismissed it after 3 hours and the jury said it should’ve never went to trial in the first place.
Ironically, it has been made so public because of malevolent people trying to martyr this person into a UK George Floyd. Armed police do not get brought out lightly, it was a high risk situation.
Had Chris Kaba got out of the car with his hands up, the incident wouldn’t have happened.
The BBC really are a bunch of liberal twats.Looks like the BBC documentary is going down well.
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