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rupert_bear

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #36
Not sure if it's about finding a winner or loser it's about breaking an impasse that's holding up crucial talks that could affect a long established football club it's very existence. I see it very difficult for Wasps especially but sisu also to decline. And if either party did could Colllins then put on his chairman of the select committee hat and instruct them to appear
 
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Monners

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #37
It is not a public enquiry, but a select committee can recommend one. These sessions are designed to tease out info with questions based on what is currently known or perceived - they can't force people to answer, but any answers given can (and) do lead to further investigation - see the questioning of Philip Green and phone hacking as good examples. Green was aggressive and evasive in his approach, but it hasn't gone away for him
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #38
italiahorse said:
How can a long term deal be negotiated when there is going to be legal action between the 2 parties?
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What legal action is this between CCFC and Wasps? And why is it that many other businesses involved in legal action can still happily manage to deal with each other?
italiahorse said:
A short term 'take it or leave it' deal will be offered if the Legals are still dragging on.
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Based on what evidence?
italiahorse said:
I guess if it becomes messy the price could go up.
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Getting your excuses in early.
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #39
At the very least if he talks to both sides we might find out what Wasps will offer. That alone might start to move things forward as with them refusing to talk to the club at the moment its hard to see anything getting resolved.
 

stupot07

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #40
Bloody hell, we've now gone from "He's offered to mediate" to "hes going to force them in front of the select committee or do a public enquiry'"?

Its not going to happen, this is a private dispute between wasps and ccfc.

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rupert_bear

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #41
Monners said:
It is not a public enquiry, but a select committee can recommend one. These sessions are designed to tease out info with questions based on what is currently known or perceived - they can't force people to answer, but any answers given can (and) do lead to further investigation - see the questioning of Philip Green and phone hacking as good examples. Green was aggressive and evasive in his approach, but it hasn't gone away for him
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In your opinion Monners and based on the evidence we know who has most to be afraid of Wasps or sisu ?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #42
rupert_bear said:
In your opinion Monners and based on the evidence we know who has most to be afraid of Wasps or sisu ?
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I don't think either will be afraid, he has only offered to be a middleman to get them talking.
 

stupot07

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #43
rupert_bear said:
In your opinion Monners and based on the evidence we know who has most to be afraid of Wasps or sisu ?
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I think wasps have more to lose. Everyone hates Sisu anyway and unlike Wasps, Sisu don't seem to care what people think of them.

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rupert_bear

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #44
stupot07 said:
Bloody hell, we've now gone from "He's offered to mediate" to "hes going to force them in front of the select committee or do a public enquiry'"?
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I am certain his main aim is to break this pathetic impasse but will ask questions The main thing that interests me is will both parties accept or decline a meeting
 
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Monners

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #45
rupert_bear said:
In your opinion Monners and based on the evidence we know who has most to be afraid of Wasps or sisu ?
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If it were a select committee and not just mediation, then probably Sisu (not sure afraid is the right word - who has the most to lose), but that's not to say that wasps would come out unscathed. But it would run deeper than just the current issue between these two parties - CCC would be likely to be asked, and Higgs also - who would be the most afraid then? . But the session would be on football governance, and not just our issued (this is only an opinion of course)
 
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Nick

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #46
A whole thing where SISU, Wasps, ACL, CCC, Higgs etc got put on camera being hammered would be fantastic but it would cost millions wouldn't it?
 
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Monners

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #47
i think I have just made a similar point to Stupot - in who has the most to lose
 

stupot07

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #48
rupert_bear said:
I am certain his main aim is to break this pathetic impasse but will ask questions The main thing that interests me is will both parties accept or decline a meeting
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He will ask questions but I doubt we ever be told the answers. That's not the role of a mediator, and neither party would welcome talks unless the content of which are remained confidential.

I think the club will say yes and wasps will decline.

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Monners

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #49
Nick said:
A whole thing where SISU, Wasps, ACL, CCC, Higgs etc got put on camera being hammered would be fantastic but it would cost millions wouldn't it?
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Wouldn't know on the costs Nick - doubt it would be millions though. It isn't a public inquiry.
 

Nick

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #50
Monners said:
Wouldn't know on the costs Nick - doubt it would be millions though. It isn't a public inquiry.
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No, I meant if it was. The same as the Mike Ashley type stuff. I know it isn't going to be, but that would be great if it could be!
 
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rupert_bear

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #51
Nick said:
No, I meant if it was. The same as the Mike Ashley type stuff. I know it isn't going to be, but that would be great if it could be!
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Wouldn't come to anything like that but if it went to a select committee questions have to be answered and it's in the public domain, no confidentiality agreements. Not sure if public can attend, when the big ones have been shown on TV such as Philip Greene or Mike Ashley recently I think I have seen others there but not sure, now that would be interesting.
 
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Nick

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #52
rupert_bear said:
Wouldn't come to anything like that but if it went to a select committee questions have to be answered and it's in the public domain, no confidentiality agreements. Not sure if public can attend, when the big ones have been shown on TV such as Philip Greene or Mike Ashley recently I think I have seen others there but not sure, now that would be interesting.
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Either way, if they all got locked in a room and hounded it would be great!

Maybe Judge Rinder can help?

 
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stupot07

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #53
Ccfc and Wasps aren't going to end up in front of the select committee IMO. If anything it would just be the FL, FA and PL about football governance.

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Monners

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #54
stupot07 said:
Ccfc and Wasps aren't going to end up in front of the select committee IMO. If anything it would just be the FL, FA and PL about football governance.

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Only if we go out of business re BHS, along with other couple of other clubs - but I suspect you are right Stu
 
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Gosford Green

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #55
The more pressure and the more exposure the better.
One conciliatory offer from either side could break the dead lock.

SISU seem to have this US way of never admitting to be wrong and never loose.
Wasps are probably out the same mold but better at it.

I am not confident.
 
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rupert_bear

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #56
Could put both on the spot but shouldn't rattle sisu too much after all they batter people in court.
 

Captain Dart

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #57
Nick said:
Questions about what though? That's the thing.

IS it going to be a fully blown public enquiry into the mess, which would be great.

Or is he just going to try and be the middle man between talks.
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There seems to be something going on with the politicians.

The other day the Sports Minister said Damian Collins would be an appropriate man to mediate then lo and behold an offer to mediate is made.

Shortly after the CT runs another story to ramp up the pressure..
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-city-fiasco-could-see-12088517
 

stupot07

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #58
Captain Dart said:
There seems to be something going on with the politicians.

The other day the Sports Minister said Damian Collins would be an appropriate man to mediate then lo and behold an offer to mediate is made.

Shortly after the CT runs another story to ramp up the pressure..
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-city-fiasco-could-see-12088517
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#clickbait

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Monners

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #59
It really is a mess isn't it - not particularly profound on my part, granted
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #60
Monners said:
If it were a select committee and not just mediation, then probably Sisu (not sure afraid is the right word - who has the most to lose), but that's not to say that wasps would come out unscathed. But it would run deeper than just the current issue between these two parties - CCC would be likely to be asked, and Higgs also - who would be the most afraid then? . But the session would be on football governance, and not just our issued (this is only an opinion of course)
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If it's a session on football governance, it would surely be football's regulators in front of the committee
 
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Monners

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #61
fernandopartridge said:
If it's a session on football governance, it would surely be football's regulators in front of the committee
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Yep - our club (and many, many others) has been run appallingly for as long as I can remember. I think Collins isn't going to let this go - hope he sticks around for long enough.

The FA FL etc need to be select committeed (new verbage)
 
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rupert_bear

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #62
You do get the feeling things are ramping up a bit, a couple of weeks ago there was a debate in Parliament on the state of our club attended by the Minister of Sport now we have the chairman of the committee for culture, media and sport offering to mediate, can either Wasps or sisu refuse if he is asked to ?
 
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Houdi

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #63
Nick said:
For CCFC to stay there, Wasps need to open talks though.

He can't force them to do anything, nobody can as like you say they own it. They would be better off saying that rather than all the "legal noise" shite.
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But if Wasps, maybe encouraged by CCC don't do a deal ,then what? What will or can Sisu realistically do.There is no new stadium, leaving Coventry again will lead to a virtual total collapse in income. The legal threats give Wasps perfect cover to refuse any talks,and I'm sure they would be happy to help drive Sisu out with the tacit' support ' of CCC.
 
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Gosford Green

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #64
Houdi said:
But if Wasps, maybe encouraged by CCC don't do a deal ,then what? What will or can Sisu realistically do.There is no new stadium, leaving Coventry again will lead to a virtual total collapse in income. The legal threats give Wasps perfect cover to refuse any talks,and I'm sure they would be happy to help drive Sisu out with the tacit' support ' of CCC.
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Groundhog day suggested solution, SISU drop any legal threats involving Wasps, the ball is then in their court.
If they then refuse to talk then we have clarity on blame and who to pressure.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #65
Houdi said:
But if Wasps, maybe encouraged by CCC don't do a deal ,then what? What will or can Sisu realistically do.There is no new stadium, leaving Coventry again will lead to a virtual total collapse in income. The legal threats give Wasps perfect cover to refuse any talks,and I'm sure they would be happy to help drive Sisu out with the tacit' support ' of CCC.
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but the legal threats don't give them the perfect cover, they said the legals would not stop them negotiating then they changed their mind.The first questions they should be asked are why and at whose bequest?
 
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Gosford Green

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #66
clint van damme said:
but the legal threats don't give them the perfect cover, they said the legals would not stop them negotiating then they changed their mind.The first questions they should be asked are why and at whose bequest?
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They can just turn around saying on seconds thoughts they do not wish to do business with someone intent on taking them to court, that is their prerogative unfortunately for us. I guess their problem is JR2, JR1 is both as good as dead in the water and even if it was not it predates Wasps being in Coventry and has nothing to do with them.

Has anyone from SISU commented on why they will not back down from the threat of a JR2 and give the football club a chance of restarting talks?
We have seen the backs of both Waggot and Anderson, is this because of the impossible task ahead?
 

stupot07

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #67
Gosford Green said:
They can just turn around saying on seconds thoughts they do not wish to do business with someone intent on taking them to court, that is there prerogative unfortunately for us. I guess their problem is JR2, JR1 is both as good as dead in the water and even if it was not it predates Wasps being in Coventry and has nothing to do with them.

Has anyone from SISU commented on why they will not back down from the threat of a JR2 and give the football club a chance of restarting talks?
We have seen the backs of both Waggot and Anderson, is this because of the impossible task ahead?
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They aren't taking wasps to court, they are taking the council to court about thr councils decision making. Regardless of whether Sisu win or lose, it will have little affect on wasps.

We know businesses take each other to court all the time whilst continue to working together. Why are you buying wasp's bullshit? Why are you giving Wasps a free pass on this?

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Gosford Green

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #68
stupot07 said:
They aren't taking wasps to court, they are taking the council to court about thr councils decision making. Regardless of whether Sisu win or lose, it will have little affect on wasps.

We know businesses take each other to court all the time whilst continue to working together. Why are you buying wasp's bullshit?

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JR 2 has Wasps as a interested party or whatever the legal term is, so yes they're involved.

Where have I bought any Wasps bullshit? I have said many times they are giving them a get out clause.
SISU are enormous bullshiters, champions league level in bullshitting terms, where do you store all you've bought?
 
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Tonylinc

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #69
Has anyone thought that by stalling the talks Wasps are playing Sisu at their own game?
 

stupot07

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  • Oct 27, 2016
  • #70
Gosford Green said:
JR 2 has Wasps as a interested party or whatever the legal term is, so yes they're involved.

Where have I bought any Wasps bullshit? I have said many times they are giving them a get out clause.
SISU are enormous bullshiters, champions league level in bullshitting terms, where do you store all you've bought?
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I haven't bought any of sisu's bullshit. Sisu are a bunch of cunts.

I never said they weren't involved, I said it isn't against them and any action will have little impact regardless of the outcome. If Sisu win it will be the council and the council alone that will be punished.


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