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stupot07 · Oct 27, 2016

Saw this yesterday, but couldn't see this posted anywhere.

Coventry City Ricoh Arena row sees top MP offer to mediate between Wasps and Sisu

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-city-ricoh-arena-row-12083731

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hill83 · Oct 27, 2016

Ashtray on a motorbike

Edit: Simon's hair is improving.

Nick · Oct 27, 2016

Can he actually force a deal?

He would need to basically say:

Wasps, stop being dicks
CCFC, stop being dicks

Fisher looks to have said he thinks Wasps will do an extension, Wasps have refused to answer anything about it all.

Bang heads together.

I_Saw_Shaw_Score · Oct 27, 2016

Thought you were going to be flogging Gary Breens player of the year award from 2001 when I saw the thread title!!

Kingokings204 · Oct 27, 2016

Nick said:
Can he actually force a deal?

No, it's a show to show they are doing something. End of the day wasps can charge whatever they like. They own the stadium ffs.

But it's quite obvious from the recent history wasps want us to stay and keep paying rent. So it seems like it is pressure to keep ccfc there which is good news as long as we are not ripped off which I don't think we will be personally. Just my opinion

Nick · Oct 27, 2016

Kingokings204 said:
No, it's a show to show they are doing something. End of the day wasps can charge whatever they like. They own the stadium ffs.

But it's quite obvious from the recent history wasps want us to stay and keep paying rent. So it seems like it is pressure to keep ccfc there which is good news as long as we are not ripped off which I don't think we will be personally. Just my opinion

For CCFC to stay there, Wasps need to open talks though.

He can't force them to do anything, nobody can as like you say they own it. They would be better off saying that rather than all the "legal noise" shite.

rupert_bear · Oct 27, 2016

Damien Collins is ideal to mediate, he does have clout, is chairman of the Select Commitee for Culture Media and Sport which has the power to call in witnesses to give evidence in public. I would think it would be difficult for any of the parties connected to object to him or turn down any talks, doesn't mean anyone has to agree but everything should be out in the open, just that alone would be progress

Nick · Oct 27, 2016

rupert_bear said:
Damien Collins is ideal to mediate, he does have clout, is chairman of the Select Commitee for Culture Media and Sport which has the power to call in witnesses to give evidence in public. I would think it would be difficult for any of the parties connected to object to him or turn down any talks, doesn't mean anyone has to agree but everything should be out in the open, just that alone would be progress

He still can't force Wasps to do a deal, for example if they don't want to.

Who realistically can he call in? It's a private rental agreement at the end of the day.

When asked by the Telegraph if they would be open to such an extension, Wasps declined to comment. The Premiership Rugby club has also failed to answer questions about what it would take to get talks back underway.

If that was CCFC there would be at least 7 or 8 articles. Would be interesting to see if anything is calling on them for answers also (also, as in as well as CCFC).

“I am pleased that he has offered to act as mediator to try to bring both sides of this dispute together.”

“I am not simply calling for talks between Wasps and Sisu (over the Ricoh). That would make no sense. I am calling for talks between any and all parties involved – including the council – to resolve this dispute.”

rupert_bear · Oct 27, 2016

No he can't or sisu for that matter but he can put meat on the bones and get answers. Wasps, council, FL and sisu and individuals connected will hopefully be dragged off the fence. I am certain he won't just be sat down hosting a tea and biscuit party.

Nick · Oct 27, 2016

rupert_bear said:
No he can't or sisu for that matter but he can put meat on the bones and get answers. Wasps, council, FL and sisu and individuals connected will hopefully be dragged off the fence. I am certain he won't just be sat down hosting a tea and biscuit party.

I agree, it would be good to have them all hoisted up to give answers but how much can he actually question them and what about?

rupert_bear · Oct 27, 2016

Quiet a lot really and football governance is his pet subject. The main reason for him being there is to try and help sort out this impasse between sisu and Wasps but lots of things are linked. What I'm not sure is who will be there Wasps obviously but who in the sisu chain Sepalla sisu head honcho or will it be Otium Entertainment who have our ccfc under their wing, who are their directors Fisher ? Venus ? Deering ? all three. Also could this out who these faceless investor/owners are ?

shmmeee · Oct 27, 2016

Nick said:
I agree, it would be good to have them all hoisted up to give answers but how much can he actually question them and what about?

Select Committees can require evidence by law I think. Not turning up to one is like not turning up when ordered by the courts.

Parliament is always long game, it's not designed to give quick responses to ongoing issues but to gather evidence for a change in law later on. Best we can hope for is to another straw on the FAs back that might lead to reform in the game.

At this level we need to see the bigger picture. Us, Charlton, Portsmouth, etc all go towards making a case for legislation. Of course you've got a hard right government so I can't see them stepping in with regulation, maybe if you can make it a UKIP cause it'll get done, they seem to run the Tory party policy team these days. Anyone got Farages number?

covcity4life · Oct 27, 2016

hopefully he can make wasps give up a bit more revenue to ccfc. right now they feel invincible thanks to council and weak willed citizens of coventry

rupert_bear · Oct 27, 2016

shmmeee said:
Select Committees can require evidence by law I think. Not turning up to one is like not turning up when ordered by the courts.
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Oh the thought of our Tim Fisher publically in front of a Government select committee Philip Greene style is so exciting.

Nick · Oct 27, 2016

shmmeee said:
Select Committees can require evidence by law I think. Not turning up to one is like not turning up when ordered by the courts.

Parliament is always long game, it's not designed to give quick responses to ongoing issues but to gather evidence for a change in law later on. Best we can hope for is to another straw on the FAs back that might lead to reform in the game.

At this level we need to see the bigger picture. Us, Charlton, Portsmouth, etc all go towards making a case for legislation. Of course you've got a hard right government so I can't see them stepping in with regulation, maybe if you can make it a UKIP cause it'll get done, they seem to run the Tory party policy team these days. Anyone got Farages number?

Evidence for what though? Can it be anything in Sport? ie a contract disagreement between a player and club.

Im not saying anybody is wrong, as I don't know. That's what I'm trying to figure out

rupert_bear · Oct 27, 2016

What will be interesting is will Damien Collins be acceptable to all parties. Difficult to object or turn down such a meeting.

Nick · Oct 27, 2016

rupert_bear said:
What will be interesting is will Damien Collins be acceptable to all parties. Difficult to object or turn down such a meeting.

I do remember in the past he has said things like:

It should not be allowed to happen where we have a situation like Coventry’s where the team plays miles away from their home city

So I guess he would instantly take a dislike to Wasps

I'd say he wasn't really a "middleman" though!

Deleted member 5849 · Oct 27, 2016

Mediation would be no bad thing, surely? It'd at least get them in the same room and talking.

At the end of the day, both parties will do whatever they choose, but they're more likely to find common ground if they actually talk!

rupert_bear · Oct 27, 2016

[QUOTE

I'd say he wasn't really a "middleman" though![/QUOTE]
A bit like Paul Appleton perhaps ?

Nick · Oct 27, 2016

rupert_bear said:
[QUOTE

I'd say he wasn't really a "middleman" though!

A bit like Paul Appleton perhaps ?[/QUOTE]

He was SISU's chosen administrator wasn't he?

It is like saying Wasps or SISU choosing their own mediator.

SBAndy · Oct 27, 2016

rupert_bear said:
Also could this out who these faceless investor/owners are ?

These 'faceless investors' will be anyone and everyone looking to turn a profit on savings. They will be pension funds, trust funds, all sorts. They have no control over where the money is invested once it is handed over to SISU, aside maybe from some level of risk they are willing to stretch to. Their money will be invested in numerous different projects and businesses as well. Besides, with the fact there is no active 'investment' coming from SISU, and the club is being ringfenced, it would imply there are no investors left.

Nick · Oct 27, 2016

SBAndy said:
These 'faceless investors' will be anyone and everyone looking to turn a profit on savings. They will be pension funds, trust funds, all sorts. They have no control over where the money is invested once it is handed over to SISU, aside maybe from some level of risk they are willing to stretch to. Their money will be invested in numerous different projects and businesses as well. Besides, with the fact there is no active 'investment' coming from SISU, and the club is being ringfenced, it would imply there are no investors left.

It would be like having Duggins rock up to the launch of some new guns in Syria.

italiahorse · Oct 27, 2016

It's like banging your head against a brick wall on here.
How can a long term deal be negotiated when there is going to be legal action between the 2 parties?
A short term 'take it or leave it' deal will be offered if the Legals are still dragging on.
I guess if it becomes messy the price could go up.

rupert_bear · Oct 27, 2016

It is like saying Wasps or SISU choosing their own mediator.[/QUOTE]
So who would pick Collins Wasps who have ceased talks or sisu who tell us they want talks ?

Nick · Oct 27, 2016

rupert_bear said:
It is like saying Wasps or SISU choosing their own mediator.

So who would pick Collins Wasps who have ceased talks or sisu who tell us they want talks ?[/QUOTE]
You would think neither with his views in the past and his opinions on moving sports teams.

I'm not sure of the odds on him having a selective memory though

Grendel · Oct 27, 2016

italiahorse said:
It's like banging your head against a brick wall on here.
How can a long term deal be negotiated when there is going to be legal action between the 2 parties?
A short term 'take it or leave it' deal will be offered if the Legals are still dragging on.
I guess if it becomes messy the price could go up.

Wasps will offer a deal that benefits them and only them - get the excuses in early.

rupert_bear · Oct 27, 2016

Nick said:
So who would pick Collins Wasps who have ceased talks or sisu who tell us they want talks ?

You would think neither with his views in the past and his opinions on moving sports teams.

I'm not sure of the odds on him having a selective memory though[/QUOTE]
Selective memory ? I'm puzzled do explain.

Nick · Oct 27, 2016

rupert_bear said:
You would think neither with his views in the past and his opinions on moving sports teams.

I'm not sure of the odds on him having a selective memory though

Selective memory ? I'm puzzled do explain.[/QUOTE]
He has been very against clubs moving in the past, so it would be interesting to see his views on wasps. (He may have already commented)

clint van damme · Oct 27, 2016

italiahorse said:
It's like banging your head against a brick wall on here.
How can a long term deal be negotiated when there is going to be legal action between the 2 parties?
A short term 'take it or leave it' deal will be offered if the Legals are still dragging on.
I guess if it becomes messy the price could go up.

happens all the time, it's just a smoke screen.
Wasps themselves said at one point the legals wouldn't interfere with negotiations, wonder why that changed?

rupert_bear · Oct 27, 2016

I see you have a point. Depends what hat he wears I suppose I would think he would lean the clubs way it is Wasps who won't talk or have put stipulations as to why they won't, the main thing is getting both parties off their arses and round a table.

Nick · Oct 27, 2016

rupert_bear said:
I see you have a point. I would think he would lean the clubs way it is Wasps who won't talk or have put stipulations as to why they won't. Depends what hat he wears, the main thing is getting both parties off their arses and round a table.

Ideally, it needs to be somebody who is going to walk in the room and shout at everybody.

Wasps have been very quiet and refused to say what would be needed to start talks, when people say about pressuring Wasps it is things like that. If it was CCFC there would have been shit loads of articles about it, reader's reactions to it, a recap about it to drive it home. The trust would have then jumped on it with a statement and there would be outrage.

Wasps seem to just stop talks with an excuse that they have also played down and refuse to answer anything, and it doesn't really get a mention.

Monners · Oct 27, 2016

Just needs a Chair who will ask well informed, direct questions. The answers given are on public record and are subjected to further scrutiny . BHS being a good example.

Nick · Oct 27, 2016

Monners said:
Just needs a Chair who will ask well informed, direct questions. The answers given are on public record and are subjected to further scrutiny . BHS being a good example.

Questions about what though? That's the thing.

IS it going to be a fully blown public enquiry into the mess, which would be great.

Or is he just going to try and be the middle man between talks.

stupot07 · Oct 27, 2016

clint van damme said:
happens all the time, it's just a smoke screen.
Wasps themselves said at one point the legals wouldn't interfere with negotiations, wonder why that changed?

And its not even between sisu and wasps, its between sisu and the council on the councils decision making in a) bailing out acl and JR2 b) selling acl off under priced to wasps. If Sisu win or lose it will have very little affect on wasps.

Its just smoke and mirrors.

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stupot07 · Oct 27, 2016

Monners said:
Just needs a Chair who will ask well informed, direct questions. The answers given are on public record and are subjected to further scrutiny . BHS being a good example.

He offered to mediate not do a public inquiry. He won't be doing a Jeremy Paxman on them.

Nick said:
Questions about what though? That's the thing.

IS it going to be a fully blown public enquiry into the mess, which would be great.

Or is he just going to try and be the middle man between talks.

The latter.

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