Charlie Kirk Shot (16 Viewers)

[mmttww]

sounds like I might have to get ready for the 'it was because of trans extremism, nothing to do with guns' phase of the debate.

 

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Maybe he didn't know they were trans?

Perhaps that was part of the reason why he had recently turned his back on his conservative upbringing and become hardline left? I imagine in that part of the world his partner would be subjected to quite a lot of abuse and hate. And probably himself for having a trans partner and those on the right would likely see him as being in a gay relationship. I just don't get the feeling his family would have been overly supportive of him having a trans partner.

This of course does not excuse his actions and he deserves to be punished to the full extent of the law (even if some of those penalties might be ones I inherently disagree with)

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Common sense

So you don't know then.

 

[Nick]

Maybe he didn't know they were trans?

That old chestnut.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

That old chestnut.

Well he might not have known if she has chestnuts or not

 

[chiefdave]

Mental

that seems a pretty major detail for everyone else to have got wrong.

Authorities and family statements confirm that Robinson lived at home with his parents at the time of the incident.

Utah Governor Spencer Cox stated during a September 12 press conference that Robinson "had been living with his parents for a long time." This aligns with reports from ABC News and the BBC, noting he resided in Washington County with his family while attending Dixie Technical College (a trade school) as a third-year electrical apprenticeship student, training to become an electrician.

Neighbors described him as a "quiet," "smart," and "introverted" kid who grew up playing in the cul-de-sac, with no prior trouble. One neighbor, Kristin Schwiermann (his former school custodian), called the family "loving and quiet."

Prior to this, Robinson briefly attended Utah State University for one semester in 2021 but dropped out. He was not enrolled at Utah Valley University, the shooting location.

 

[Otis]

that seems a pretty major detail for everyone else to have got wrong.

Hmm, ABC, the BBC and the governor of the state and his neighbours vs Fox News.



Tough call.

 

[SBT]

Seams bizarre on the part of the airlines, but tbf we've seen the same in our police force, not based on race (as far as im aware) but I know from talking to a retired copper that the standards at recruitment have dropped dramatically.

Is this retired copper friends with the old professor?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

What a lovely bloke, he’s the biggest waste of space going. Ugly c**t

 

[mmttww]

FFS!

 

[Major Tom]

What a lovely bloke, he’s the biggest waste of space going. Ugly c**t

It's free speech innit.. whether you are being paid to say it or not right?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

It's free speech innit.. whether you are being paid to say it or not right?

More like the guy is compete c**t talking shit about someone who recently got assassinated. Free speech or not he’s a c**t

 

[Otis]

It's free speech innit.. whether you are being paid to say it or not right?

Well, yup. You can't just have total, carte blanche free speech. It always needs to come with repercussions if it breaches hate/race/misogyny laws etc.

You can't be allowed to say you are going to rape someone's daughter, or call someone a black c*nt etc. etc.

I quite like Bob Dylan's music, but I am not happy he was cheering someone's death. I just don't think that's called for at all.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

What lovely kind caring people they are, tbh if I had no mates, didn’t wash and smelt of piss every day I’d be as hateful. Weirdos

 

[covcity4life]

Well, yup. You can't just have total, carte blanche free speech. It always needs to come with repercussions if it breaches hate/race/misogyny laws etc.

You can't be allowed to say you are going to rape someone's daughter, or call someone a black c*nt etc. etc.

I quite like Bob Dylan's music, but I am not happy he was cheering someone's death. I just don't think that's called for at all.

 

[fatso]

Is this retired copper friends with the old professor?

Funny c**t arnt you !

 

[wingy]

CK had the proof!

Remember it isnt my argument, it was his.
And he was talking openly about it to anyone willing to listen.

One line out of an entire debate has been taken out of context and used to fire up the usual suspects, has anyone who has posted the quote actually listened to the full debate???

Anyway im in the ground now so getting a pint. PUSB.

Bloody hell mate I thought you'd croaked when you said you were in the ground.🫣

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Funny c**t arnt you !

Is that what your old professor once said?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

There were 600 arrests at Notting Hill??
Not sure all the arrests have been made fr yesterday either

 

[Grendel]

There were 600 arrests at Notting Hill??
Not sure all the arrests have been made fr yesterday either

It seems 140 last year.

They are stabbings every year and sexual assaults

Policing costs are it seems around £11 million in an average year

 

[fatso]

Is that what your old professor once said?

That's already been said you goon.
Are you naturally that slow.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It seems 140 last year.

They are stabbings every year and sexual assaults

Policing costs are it seems around £11 million in an average year

Yep I have seen was just clarifying

 

[Nick]

It seems 140 last year.

They are stabbings every year and sexual assaults

Policing costs are it seems around £11 million in an average year

Strange how it's spun.




Yeah but only 4 stabbings this year

(Edit, pointing out that it's over a couple of days)

 

[Otis]

I find it incredibly sad that they get so much violence at something that is supposed to be an event of celebration.

Would I be right in saying that a lot of the problem comes from rival gangs turning up?

 

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

6th form debating style nonsense

How many A levels you got Grenners?

 

[Grendel]

How many A levels you got Grenners?

3 Charles. Why do you ask?

 

[duffer]

Strange how it's spun.

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Yeah but only 4 stabbings this year

(Edit, pointing out that it's over a couple of days)

So just to provide some balance, at Notting Hill the police went geared up to arrest people.

So they were using knife detecting archways and facial recognition etc., and actively looking for drug dealing etc..

Also the carnival is over two days and has over two million attendees.

At the Tommy Robinson support march, the police weren't interested in making arrests. Just in maintaing public order, or trying to. So no knife arches, no facial recognition, no searching for drugs, outstanding warrants, etc. etc..

I also don't believe there was any concerted attempt to attack the police at Notting Hill. There clearly was at the Tommy march.

Basically then, and as politely as I can put it, this is a fatuous argument - you're comparing apples with oranges.

Let's not bullshit each other. Violence at rallies organised by Tommy and his ilk is absolutely par for the course. Trying to minimise it by saying, but look at Notting Hill, is a pretty weak argument.

As it turns out, people who violently kick off at the police, and immigrants etc., seem to have a remarkably disproportionate record of previous offending, particularly when it comes to domestic abuse.

Does flag shagging lead to wife beating, I wonder, or is it the other way around?

Two in five arrested for last summer’s UK riots had been reported for domestic abuse

Police data indicates overlaps between public violent disorder and domestic violence and abuse

www.theguardian.com

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

So just to provide some balance, at Notting Hill the police went geared up to arrest people.

So they were using knife detecting archways and facial recognition etc., and actively looking for drug dealing etc..

Also the carnival is over two days and has over two million attendees.

At the Tommy Robinson support march, the police weren't interested in making arrests. Just in maintaing public order, or trying to. So no knife arches, no facial recognition, no searching for drugs, outstanding warrants, etc. etc..

I also don't believe there was any concerted attempt to attack the police at Notting Hill. There clearly was at the Tommy march.

Basically then, and as politely as I can put it, this is a fatuous argument - you're comparing apples with oranges.

Let's not bullshit each other. Violence at rallies organised by Tommy and his ilk is absolutely par for the course. Trying to minimise it by saying, but look at Notting Hill, is a pretty weak argument.

As it turns out, people who violently kick off at the police, and immigrants etc., seem to have a remarkably disproportionate record of previous offending, particularly when it comes to domestic abuse.

Does flag shagging lead to wife beating, I wonder, or is it the other way around?

Two in five arrested for last summer’s UK riots had been reported for domestic abuse

Police data indicates overlaps between public violent disorder and domestic violence and abuse

www.theguardian.com

If you believe that leftist shite newspaper you'll believe anything. The trouble seemed to stem from the leftist counter rally who were there just to start trouble. If they weren't there you'd of had hardly any arrests

 

[duffer]

If you believe that leftist shite newspaper you'll believe anything. The trouble seemed to stem from the leftist counter rally who were there just to start trouble. If they weren't there you'd of had hardly any arrests

If you believe what you read on twitter rather than what's reported, then politely, your opinion counts for shit.

Unlike the fat bloke down the pub you're listening to for your facts, journalists generally do proper research. If you can prove the article to be incorrect, then feel free to put your own links up.

All you're actually doing here is proving that your own prejudice trumps actual facts. It's a really common mistake for fans of far right rhetoric in general.

So, prove me wrong , as a man once said. Put some evidence of your own up, or quit feckin' whining about "left wing rags" when you're faced with an uncomfortable fact.

 

[Northants Sky Blue]

If you believe that leftist shite newspaper you'll believe anything. The trouble seemed to stem from the leftist counter rally who were there just to start trouble. If they weren't there you'd of had hardly any arrests

 

[Sick Boy]

If you believe that leftist shite newspaper you'll believe anything. The trouble seemed to stem from the leftist counter rally who were there just to start trouble. If they weren't there you'd of had hardly any arrests

Does anyone in the UK actually say "leftist"?

 

[Sick Boy]

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[Gynnsthetonic]

If you believe what you read on twitter rather than what's reported, then politely, your opinion counts for shit.

Unlike the fat bloke down the pub you're listening to for your facts, journalists generally do proper research. If you can prove the article to be incorrect, then feel free to put your own links up.

All you're actually doing here is proving that your own prejudice trumps actual facts. It's a really common mistake for fans of far right rhetoric in general.

So, prove me wrong , as a man once said. Put some evidence of your own up, or quit feckin' whining about "left wing rags" when you're faced with an uncomfortable fact.

I was on the last one and no trouble, a few mates went no trouble. They'll always be a few who want trouble same as a football match. On the whole it was a peaceful day. From actual people who were there. Pensioners, women, people of colour. If you want to just believe what's said in the Guardian and your Blue Sky then crack on. Your in the minority.