Santa clause or the tooth fairy?
We'll wait and seebut I know which one I believe.
Santa clause or the tooth fairy?
I have came to the conclusion that CJ is a Villa/Leicester wum
OK ACLCJparker.
Even ACL disagree with you. I rest my case.
Why, because I'm not a SISU rent boy like you?
In a way you are correct, insofar as I won't support the club's dubious tactics in trying to mitigate losses brought about by its own failures - that will come out of the taxpayer's pocket. In reality, it's up to SISU to live up to their obligations and bankroll CCFC. If not, they should just feck off out of our club.
All this is about trying to improve SISU's own position in regards to the ownership, ultimately so they can reduce their losses and/or sell up profitably - I very much doubt that it will mean that we see more investment on the playing side. If the rent reduction meant that as a direct result we would sign McG, I might change my mind, but don't hold your breath.
They have been ridiculously generous, probably the only reason for this is that they know that as soon as CCFC leaves, they are in a critical financial situation. Reducing the rent for them must be the lesser of two evils - SISU have them over a barrel (even if it's hard so see exactly where we'd go).
Not a SISU rent boy, but definitely a rent boy for ACL.
How many CCFC games do you go to?
They have been "ridiculously generous" because they are/were being ridiculously unreasonable!
Yeah hip-hip hooray, a corrupt Mayfair hedge fund bullying a charity and a local authority until it gets what it wants, which is subsidy for a loss-making private enterprise. I will feel so proud as a CCFC if that happens.
We have no right to demand a lower rent...at least not whilst these charlatans are in charge of our club.
Hope a deal is done. But I dont really see how anyone can criticise ACL when they have offered a 67% reduction + income streams.
I don't see any evidence at all to support this assertion. As Coundon points out, how is it reasonable of CCFC/SISU to turn down a two thirds reduction in rent plus other add-ons?
But still charging way above market value, that to me is unreasonable. There was a thread dedicated to unreasonable people charging above face value for CCFC v Spurs tickets, yet some of those would defend ACL :facepalm:
They have a right to try and negotiate. And it appears that ACL are willing to do this for the sake of the club, regardless who is in charge. If they felt that the current rent agreement was both fair and proportionate, I'm sure they would be telling SISU where to go!
Not that is has any bearing, but I've been to 9 this season and 15 last season. I live in London and can't afford to go every week.
Rent boy for ACL...you mean, "someone who is more interested in the financial wellbeing of a public sector venture than in reducing the losses of a millionaire Mayfair hedge fund"
I know I am coming across as quite contrary here, but you all have to take off the sky blue specs and see that just because something is allegedly good for CCFC (actually good for SISU, doubt CCFC's interests have factored really) doesn't make it right or supportable.
I'm not against a lower rent per se, but the tactics have been appalling. Not paying rent for 10 months is stealing - pure and simple (the money should be generating interest in ACL's bank account). Just because I am interested in more than an advantage for the City, doesn't mean am a Villa fan FFS.
So far I haven;t heard a single convincing rebuttal of anything I've written, just spurious claims and insults. I've worked in business mate and have dealt with hard nosed bastards - the only way to deal with them is to face them down and fight fire with fire. If I was ACL I would not have comprimised one iota and would now be pushing a winding up petition through Joy's door.
I'm not criticising that, no.
Protecting interests of public sector, well, their interests would be to ensure well being of CCFC, and our rent certainly does not ensure that.
Energy suppliers thieve off your ordinary person, banks, thieve of ordinary people, capitalist society allows corporations to take the piss, it isn't just SISU, unfortunately.
You know what, I don't know if I'm alone here, but who cares, I really don't take you seriously and there's been few comments that I see that I want to rebut, but then I think, it isn't worth it as your line of thought and your arguments are flawed.
Right, so do you support banks / energy companies etc when the act in a immoral way? if not, they you are blinded by your Sky Blue loyalties in this case.
Also you say you can't be bothered to rebut any of my comments but described my arguments as flawed - good luck in your exams if that's your approach to making an argument.
Right, so do you support banks / energy companies etc when the act in a immoral way? if not, they you are blinded by your Sky Blue loyalties in this case.
Also you say you can't be bothered to rebut any of my comments but described my arguments as flawed - good luck in your exams if that's your approach to making an argument.
Bit harsh Rich but I do think he and others needs to switch off their pro CCFC bias on this one
SBT, you seem like a nice lad but I think you are buying into the SISU spin too much. When you sit your exams (especially if you go on to do a degree) you will be expected to challenge assertions and use the facts to construct your own arguments, using logic rather than hearsay.
There is no evidence that even the reduced amount is unreasonable - just TF/SISU assertions that it is. The main question from ACL's point of view is, "why should Coventry pay the same as Oldham (random example) when the ground and support base is Premier standard?
I'm not against a rent reduction as such but I am against non-payment as a tactic. IT IS STEALING. And it's all to reduce SISU's own outgoings, there's no evidence to suggest that the club itself will benefit significantly in terms of on-field investment.
Right, so do you support banks / energy companies etc when the act in a immoral way? if not, they you are blinded by your Sky Blue loyalties in this case.
Also you say you can't be bothered to rebut any of my comments but described my arguments as flawed - good luck in your exams if that's your approach to making an argument.
Not really harsh. This young man aside, the state of education in this country is apalling. Is it even possible to fail exams anymore. Nicholas Chamberlain has a 99% c or above this year. Half the kids in Bedworth cant tie their shoe laces, let alone pass exams of the difficulty of those that were taken ten years ago.
I don't no, nor do I particularly support SISU, however, I want what's best for the club in the context of the situation.
This forum isn't one big exam, although there're some harsh markers hereI can't say in an exam, ah sod that question. Funny you say that, I've just brought a book from a historian I completely disagree with, but I took his arguments, and evaluated and said why he was wrong using historians I think are right.
You on about the rent issue or a buy out of Alc?
Btw Alc comes out as Aldi on autocorrect bit suspicious that :thinking about:
Obviously he does, yet describes himself as a socialist, just likes to pick out the bits thats fit
Socialism is a great ideal, I agree, yet truely unworkable due to it's okay until it effects 'me' ie sbt
There will always be some more equal than others ask the majority of the people of China Previous members of the Soviet union and Eastern Germany
Who was the historian And why was he wrong?
No more than 100 words please.
Is that the same for you then? Because if you're 22 (as someone said, I don't know if true) then you'd have still been in GCSE years when I was in yr 7. :facepalm:
It's nice to receive compliments, so thanks. I'm patriotic in the sense I'm a proud CCFC supporter and I want what's best for SISU. It could be suggest SISU will benefit more than CCFC, but there isn't substantial evidence as with same accusation of 'asset stripping' on SISU's behalf. Why do I think this? Because none of our players are worth that much nor is the reduction of rent enough to cut their losses.
Well there is evidence, we can't afford to run our club and rent, whilst isn't the be all and end all, it certainly doesn't help!!! I'll touch on more evidence later down.
As a club, we have decent support, and that's probably generous tbh.
It isn't stealing as such, it's wrong and immoral, I'll give you that, but we're refusing to pay because we can't afford to pay (or before it goes that way!) but using the landlord/tenant analogy, if I can't afford to live in a house, I move to a house in my price range, it's not that simple in this relationship, is it? Why? Lose-lose for every party involved. I don't know what you think of Hoffman, but his group (if they still exist) were in favour of the notion that our rent is too high and Kay's admitted we'd move from the RICOH if ACL didn't lower the price, so 2 parties believe rent is too high, and are considering moving from the RICOH, this is also evidence that rent is too high. Also, remember that Hoffman has been painted as some saint so if he agrees with the anti Christ that is SISU, then wouldn't that mean something?
I have it on good authority that we will be playing our home games in Mumbai as of January
I have it on good authority that we will be playing our home games in Mumbai as of January
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