So you don't define failure in terms of improved or worsened results then?
And this summer he backed Thorn to the hilt to deliver the players he wanted.
Waggot clearly does not have the Midas touch and I fail to see what he has brought to and is now bringing to the club other than a fistfull of cock-ups - Fisher if you need some football brains to do your job then please get someone else in for al lour sakes
No he didn't. We missed out on our prime two targets as we were in a situation of embargo
I've always been of the opinion that Thorn 'wasn't helped' but also that he 'was shit' so it's swings and roundabouts really.
Which was Fisher's doing. Care to ignore the players who were signed?
Care to elaborate? He simply brought the players to the club who Thorn wanted.
I think it's very selective to separate Fisher and Waggott. Insomuch as if you wish to do so, it's to agree that one failed in giving free reign to the market and the other was hand-tied until out of embargo. Which I wouldn't mind except Waggott didn't afford Thorn any grace for having missed out the targets he asked to be secured, so he doesn't deserve any latitude himself.
The balance of the additions - post embargo - a good investment by number, I agree
He didn't recognise the need for bringing in players last year - cost us our championship status
He should have got rid of Thorn at the end of last season not allow him to sign a lot of new players
He didn't work hard enough to get embargo lifted to bring in a couple of key targets
He got rid of Thorn after all that after just 3 games
He must have come up with or agreed the bonus fiasco
He dawdled for weeks over the new manager appointment whilst our team died on the pitch
I mean what else is he there for???
He arrived in January-does the Orange's disastrous tenure not get factored in prior to this? He was not responsible for the filing of accounts (this was Fisher's remit as chairman), and indeed Fisher seems to have been left out of this completely by your reckoning.
Everybody keeps banging on about missing this Collins kid to Swindon because of the embargo.
I don't think he has managed to score a goal in the League yet.
maybe hes a c**t or a twat?
he has scored as far as i am aware,we would probably be stronger with him but i doubt its made a big difference
I'd argue back that Waggott himself is working under the constraints given to him by Fisher who in turn has his funding set by SISU. People have criticised the board for not sacking Thorn early enough-an indictment on his management enough. However he is also criticised for 'not backing Thorn in the summer' by some, and criticised for backing him then sacking him by others-it doesn't make much sense to me for Waggott to be pinned down for blame when his arrival on the scene is pretty recent compared to certain other people.
Everybody keeps banging on about missing this Collins kid to Swindon because of the embargo.
I don't think he has managed to score a goal in the League yet.
If you want to find out why an organisation - ANY organisation - is going tits up you start by looking at the chief and not the indians. Last year you repeatedly chose to scrutinise the actions of the indian while ignoring the various roles of a succession of incompetent chiefs. Now, that AT has gone you begin to scratch your head about what was really going on at the club, who calls the shots, makes the decisions, etc.:facepalm:
Oh well......
He arrived in January-does the Orange's disastrous tenure not get factored in prior to this? He was not responsible for the filing of accounts (this was Fisher's remit as chairman), and indeed Fisher seems to have been left out of this completely by your reckoning.
Let me help you out with regards Waggott. Grenduffy can respond to this where I've posted it before, but this being a very brief précis. He was CEO of Charlton, in his first full season, 08-09 I recall they were relegated. Ahead of that season, there was talk about not signing as many players as their peers (sound familiar?). In his next season, they got to the play-offs but didn't go back up, this being in League One. As such he was relieved of his duties as part of a 'cost-cutting' measure. They kept him on to help in the transfer market and use his contacts. Again, sound familiar? With his ' signings' they slipped down to 13th and they dispensed with his unique skills.
In comes his old mate Fisher. He's here to 'help' Thorn in the crucial January window and loan opportunity on a 'consultancy part time basis'. We sell our leading scorer and bring in two youth players whilst our relegation contemporaries bring in 3, 4 or 5 times that number. They pull away and we go down. Incidentally, crossing his old club Charlton as now without Waggott they go back up.
He's awarded the Director of Football role?!? He can't sign the players he's asked to by Thorn 'cause his old mate Fisher can't persuade their employer to commit to fund us now we're down and we're in embargo. When we're out of embargo, he signs plenty of players and states that Thorn will be given a 'their support' ( and I quote there verbatim) as he was unduly effected by off-the-field influences last season.
After 3 unbeaten league games, he and Fisher - the old double act - sack Thorn; than take 4 games to appoint what the local paper says is their second choice after their chosen candidate turned them down.
Waggott? Fisher? Two peas in a pod, with neither accepting any culpability for where we now are.
Thorn, crap manager? Who knows? Maybe. Waggott and Fisher free from blame? Do me a favour
Forget what went on before Fisher - I'm focusing on how Waggot has operated since Fisher came in and brought him here - no Waggot is not responsible for filing the accounts I agree - BUT did he really impress upon his boss, Fisher, the absolute need to do this so as to get the embargo lifted - and if he did then did Fisher in turn impress upon SISU the need to provide assurances the losses would be covered so as to get them signed off as a viable concern
I suspect Waggot did not make Fisher understand the urgency of the situation and it's negative affects on the football side of things - I suspect he didn't think it was that important and we still had time
Between them they should have got SISU to validate the accounts sooner and they did not either because they didn't think it was that critical or they couldn't get SISU to do it. Either way it's no way to run the club
What extreme assumptions?
If my auntie was my uncle and all. The fact is they couldn't deliver what was asked of them
That which I highlighted in bold, good sir.
Nor could Thorn.
The theme of this thread is about those in authority who haven't shouldered their fair share of the blame for where we are. Quite rightly, fingers pointed at Brody, Orange Ken, Onye. Apologies from Fisher and Waggott about how naughty they were at forums.
My point? Recent past. Have F&W taken any responsibility for their role? I don't see any. Hence me turning the screw to expose their frailties if they won't acknowledge them.
Not an assumption thus dear chap, but an assertion
Equally, if the Isle of Wight tried to invade the USA, they'd be repelled
Nobody has suggested they are blameless. I don't think they've covered themselves in glory and most here rightly have criticised them for the way they handled Thorn's sacking and hiring the new man. It's Thorn escaping any criticism which I find difficult to understand on your part.
You are not aware though are you?
He has yet to score a League goal for Swindon.
i said he scored and he has,so i am aware
wether it was in the cup or league is of no concern to me
please learn to read
Equally, if the Isle of Wight tried to invade the USA, they'd be repelled
This article actually mirrors my opinion on why it's gone wrong since SISU took control. I'd be interested to know who told him the stories about OI though - very amusing, if you can call it that given it was our club he was running!
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