not defending Igwe but i would be interested to know when exactly he stopped being involved in the finances at CCFC...... i have a feeling it is a lot longer time ago than folk think, probably at least when TF got appointed.
Lot of claims but really just recycled hearsay
By May 2008 we had lost £8m, in 2009 lost £7m at a time when RR had the impetus and more freedom to buy players and were bought...... the team finished 21st and 17th. The writing was on the wall almost from day 1 financially, tere is no proof that any of the players like Carroll etc would have actually come to CCFC or that we could have sold on for a big profit or that the team results would have propelled us to the Premiership ..... no proof at all one way or another.
The only fact is that CCFC cannot afford to keep making multi million losses
This is not down to one man ........ calling AT the scapegoat or then putting it all on Onye is not helpful......... This was a team effort of all involved for the last decade.......... that includes RR
not defending Igwe but i would be interested to know when exactly he stopped being involved in the finances at CCFC...... i have a feeling it is a lot longer time ago than folk think, probably at least when TF got appointed.
Lot of claims but really just recycled hearsay
By May 2008 we had lost £8m, in 2009 lost £7m at a time when RR had the impetus and more freedom to buy players and were bought...... the team finished 21st and 17th. The writing was on the wall almost from day 1 financially, tere is no proof that any of the players like Carroll etc would have actually come to CCFC or that we could have sold on for a big profit or that the team results would have propelled us to the Premiership ..... no proof at all one way or another.
The only fact is that CCFC cannot afford to keep making multi million losses
This is not down to one man ........ calling AT the scapegoat or then putting it all on Onye is not helpful......... This was a team effort of all involved for the last decade.......... that includes RR
Waggot- Performance director.. since his tenure... how has our performance been?
Fisher- CEO-Since his tenure has our 'stock' value increased or decreased?
Are their respective positions untenable?
As I posted yesterday, why did Waggott do that was so remarkable that his temporary contract was made permanent in this expensive Director of Football role, at a time lower paid employees of the club have lost their roles?
As I posted yesterday, why did Waggott do that was so remarkable that his temporary contract was made permanent in this expensive Director of Football role, at a time lower paid employees of the club have lost their roles?
The only person at the higher levels of the club with any footballing knowledge-to hold him responsible for Thorn's shortcomings is a little dubious is it not?
I asked what he had done to deserve his exalted role?!? He was drafted in to help with signing new players in January and the loan window. He failed
As I posted yesterday, why did Waggott do that was so remarkable that his temporary contract was made permanent in this expensive Director of Football role, at a time lower paid employees of the club have lost their roles?
:claping hands:
FINALLY the CET appear to be realising the reality of CCFC today.
It was clear years ago where the problems lay but they kept talking about "the diamond" and how many should defend corners.:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
Meanwhile the supporters - well, the dumb ones, found a scapegoat in AT.:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
Hopefully, they'll have learnt that a manager can only work with what he has but I wont hold my breath.
How do you define failure?
I asked what he had done to deserve his exalted role?!? He was drafted in to help with signing new players in January and the loan window. He failed
We had sold or lost Westwood, Turner, Gunnarsson and King in the summer from a team that was barely good enough with them included. We were struggling with terrible results ahead of Christmas. He was brought in with the remit of 'helping' Thorn in the transfer market in January and the loan window thereafter.
He 'helped' by playing a role in selling our leading scorer and leaving the manager so far from negotiations he himself had to call the ' Boro manager to ask for gentlemans agreement that Jutkiewitz wouldn't play against us; and then coordinated the arrival if 2 inexperienced kids; compared to our peers who signed 6, 7 or 8 loans to bolster their squad.
He didn't do as well as his peers at Forest, Milwall and Bristol City with regards bolstering the squad for a relegation battle.
Failure
All three of those clubs had more competitive budgets (Forest especially so), and would always be likely to have more financial muscle. The only failures were to allow Thorn the summer and first few games of the season then sack him without a quick replacement.
We had sold or lost Westwood, Turner, Gunnarsson and King in the summer from a team that was barely good enough with them included. We were struggling with terrible results ahead of Christmas. He was brought in with the remit of 'helping' Thorn in the transfer market in January and the loan window thereafter.
He 'helped' by playing a role in selling our leading scorer and leaving the manager so far from negotiations he himself had to call the ' Boro manager to ask for gentlemans agreement that Jutkiewitz wouldn't play against us; and then coordinated the arrival if 2 inexperienced kids; compared to our peers who signed 6, 7 or 8 loans to bolster their squad.
He didn't do as well as his peers at Forest, Milwall and Bristol City with regards bolstering the squad for a relegation battle.
Failure
So why bring him in, presumably at cost, only to resign ourselves to not being able to afford anyone?!?
Interesting. Was our points per game ratio worse after he joined or better?
That's as irrelevant as asking if the weather was any sunnier. Or are you now implying he helped shape the fortunes on the playing squad?
Because someone with actual football know-how was (and is) needed at the top of the club-Waggott brings contacts and knowledge of the market that Fisher by himself doesn't have. As you have said (many, many, many times), we had a budget in line with the bottom 3 of the league so that is where we would've finished anyway, Waggy or no Waggy. I find it odd now that the man is being criticised when the bigger culprit is no longer at the club.
Well you are implying he made it worse. Unless you base it on stats it's an irrelevant argument.
If we had accumulated as many points before his arrival as after would we have been better or worse off?
I think the world - notwithstanding a few very loud voices in here - are waking to the fact that the 'bigger culprit' had no help, indeed quite the contrary, from a number of people who have now left, or who are still at the club
I think the world - notwithstanding a few very loud voices in here - are waking to the fact that the 'bigger culprit' had no help, indeed quite the contrary, from a number of people who have now left, or who are still at the club
No. Again you're trying to side-track a debate back to your favoured ground.
He was brought in to help in the transfer market. On that basis he failed. If you've got time on your hands, why don't you go back and answer the question I posed you yesterday on his record at Charlton which I note you deftly side-stepped?
No. Again you're trying to side-track a debate back to your favoured ground.
He was brought in to help in the transfer market. On that basis he failed. If you've got time on your hands, why don't you go back and answer the question I posed you yesterday on his record at Charlton which I note you deftly side-stepped?
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