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Tigersman2003 · Aug 14, 2022

Lord_Nampil said:
i think this is what WASPs have wanted all along, knew would trigger it now they can ask them in private to pay towards a new pitch as the commonwealth games caused it….

I'm a massive rugby fan (hope I'm welcome here). In my opinion, any blame Wasps put on the commonwealth games causing a bad pitch will be just a poor excuse. I watched day one of the sevens and the pitch was already terrible. The sevens provided a catalyst and certainly didn't help, but it was cutting up very badly on day one. Every step taken by the players, a chunk of grass flew up in the air behind. Without the 7s, the pitch would've been ready for a couple of football games but would've deteriorated pretty quickly and been in a similar state now.

Playing 66 sevens games (or whatever the number was) isn't unheard of at all. For example, Twickenham used to host the World Sevens Series (men and womens) (9am - 6pm Saturday and Sunday) the weekend before the Gallagher Premiership final. The pitch was always immaculate for the final. CBS isn't exactly Twickenham, but it's absolutely possible to sort it out.

If memory serves me correctly, the pitch was relaid one or two weeks before Wasps arrival in December 2014.

Sky Blue Harry H · Aug 14, 2022

If we end up paying for anew pitch, then we either need a rent 'adjustment' (preferable as we know we'll get it) or charge Wasps for use of the pitch (lesS preferable, as we'd not be confident they'd pay it).

SlowerThanPlatt · Aug 14, 2022

So what happens if we can’t reverse the Huddersfield fixture? Do we have to try and find a neutral venue again as you can’t just keep postponing?

covfan1966 · Aug 14, 2022

the rumpo kid said:
Pl

Huddersfield giants have a home game next Saturday k/o 12.00

They are at home to Castleford on Friday evening

covfan1966 · Aug 14, 2022

Correction, it was Friday evening, it's now on Sky Thursday evening

chiefdave · Aug 14, 2022

Tigersman2003 said:
I'm a massive rugby fan (hope I'm welcome here). In my opinion, any blame Wasps put on the commonwealth games causing a bad pitch will be just a poor excuse. I watched day one of the sevens and the pitch was already terrible. The sevens provided a catalyst and certainly didn't help, but it was cutting up very badly on day one. Every step taken by the players, a chunk of grass flew up in the air behind. Without the 7s, the pitch would've been ready for a couple of football games but would've deteriorated pretty quickly and been in a similar state now.

Playing 66 sevens games (or whatever the number was) isn't unheard of at all. For example, Twickenham used to host the World Sevens Series (men and womens) (9am - 6pm Saturday and Sunday) the weekend before the Gallagher Premiership final. The pitch was always immaculate for the final. CBS isn't exactly Twickenham, but it's absolutely possible to sort it out.

Spot on, this is the flaw when people say Buddy and the club should have known the 7s would do this much damage, similar events have been held elsewhere without any issue with future events taking place. The problem is that the pitch was already old and tired, Wasps then agreed to multiple events over the summer which meant there was only something like 20 days to prepare for the CWG. And as you saw as soon as anyone set foot on it the pitch rapidly deteriorated.

The original plan was to replace the pitch after the CWG. Now that we've all spent the last couple of weeks becoming pitch experts it seems that is possible but its a more expensive option, in the region of £500K. The pitch is grown elsewhere and then dropped in, lay and play I believe Dave Boddy called it. Going down that route you can have a game a matter of days after the new pitch is installed. The speculation is this didn't happen because Wasps are broke. Boddy claims the club offered to help facilitate this but we don't know the details and it would almost certainly be something the club would expect to be paid back in one form or another, not entirely unreasonable given we already pay rent.

Going forward it seems it may be possible to patch it up for a few games but the problems are then likely to return in the winter when the bad weather kicks in so realistically it would appear a new pitch is needed ASAP but that is something Wasps are not willing or able to facilitate.

The big question now is where we go from here, and playing somewhere else this season seems an increasingly likely option but of course that relies on being able to find somewhere to play and leaves the club with a big financial hole as the budget will have been prepared based on being at the CBS.

chiefdave · Aug 14, 2022

Had a look on the Wasps forums to see what their thoughts were. Delusional doesn't even begin to describe it.

Some highlights include the EFL having a vendetta against Wasps, the independent agronomist not actually being independent, we should give not loan Wasps 500K for a new pitch, we are being unreasonable complaining about the pitch, we should cover the cost of any damage that occurs when Wasps play, the pitch report doesn't actually exist as it hasn't been released publicly, this is an indication that Wasps are financially sound and finally any complaints from our fans are just down to confirmation bias.

rexo87 · Aug 14, 2022

chiefdave said:
Had a look on the Wasps forums to see what their thoughts were. Delusional doesn't even begin to describe it.

Some highlights include the EFL having a vendetta against Wasps, the independent agronomist not actually being independent, we should give not loan Wasps 500K for a new pitch, we are being unreasonable complaining about the pitch, we should cover the cost of any damage that occurs when Wasps play, the pitch report doesn't actually exist as it hasn't been released publicly, this is an indication that Wasps are financially sound and finally any complaints from our fans are just down to confirmation bias.

Goodness me. Sooner they dissapear somewhere else or go bust the better. Going to be a rough couple of season though for us I fear

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TomRad85 · Aug 14, 2022

I'm sure it's not this but the whole thing stinks a bit of 'we know we're absolutely fucked so we're going to make things as awkward as possible for ccfc/sisu too.'

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Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 14, 2022

rexo87 said:
Goodness me. Sooner they dissapear somewhere else or go bust the better. Going to be a rough couple of season though for us I fear

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Would say that's a given. Get through the season in one piece, sell off all the china at the end of it and let go of all the deadwood.

The one plus is Gyo looks in top shape and he needs to be for a bumper sale next summer.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Aug 14, 2022

Sky Blue Pete said:
Grendel has crystal balls he knew this would happen. Did he bollox

Yeah, most of us can see through Grendel's bollocks.

Sky Blue Harry H · Aug 14, 2022

Apparently Wasps have called in their own expert - and it's been passed as fine

https://giphy.com/jniLyWfK27b2bEcke5

Brighton Sky Blue · Aug 14, 2022

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Yeah, most of us can see through Gendel's bollocks.

They're made of glass?

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Aug 14, 2022

chiefdave said:
Spot on, this is the flaw when people say Buddy and the club should have known the 7s would do this much damage, similar events have been held elsewhere without any issue with future events taking place. The problem is that the pitch was already old and tired, Wasps then agreed to multiple events over the summer which meant there was only something like 20 days to prepare for the CWG. And as you saw as soon as anyone set foot on it the pitch rapidly deteriorated.

The original plan was to replace the pitch after the CWG. Now that we've all spent the last couple of weeks becoming pitch experts it seems that is possible but its a more expensive option, in the region of £500K. The pitch is grown elsewhere and then dropped in, lay and play I believe Dave Boddy called it. Going down that route you can have a game a matter of days after the new pitch is installed. The speculation is this didn't happen because Wasps are broke. Boddy claims the club offered to help facilitate this but we don't know the details and it would almost certainly be something the club would expect to be paid back in one form or another, not entirely unreasonable given we already pay rent.

Going forward it seems it may be possible to patch it up for a few games but the problems are then likely to return in the winter when the bad weather kicks in so realistically it would appear a new pitch is needed ASAP but that is something Wasps are not willing or able to facilitate.

The big question now is where we go from here, and playing somewhere else this season seems an increasingly likely option but of course that relies on being able to find somewhere to play and leaves the club with a big financial hole as the budget will have been prepared based on being at the CBS.

With the pitch relay it seems like the issue was that no-one would do it because they feared they wouldn't be paid. It wouldn't make sense for wasps to not do it and end up with an unplayable surface for their tenants because all that's going to do long term is reduce your income because they're not playing there.

So where do we go from here? Anyone got Overson's number?

alexccfc99 · Aug 14, 2022

Andy Goode’s constant lecturing to CCFC fans about how good Wasps are has gone very quiet recently

SlowerThanPlatt · Aug 14, 2022

alexccfc99 said:
Andy Goode’s constant lecturing to CCFC fans about how good Wasps are has gone very quiet recently

He’s deleted most of his pro Wasps tweets now.

Robinshio · Aug 14, 2022

I think the CBS are our best hope . Loads of negative publicity at the minute . contribution towards a new pitch would be a really good marketing move . The numbers being discussed are roundings for them, but would be a lot of good publicity versus the negatives currently attached to their brand

Lord_Nampil · Aug 14, 2022

Remember the rugby league World Cup is due to be played at the CBS on the 21st and 22nd October….

David O'Day · Aug 14, 2022

Lord_Nampil said:
Remember the rugby league World Cup is due to be played at the CBS on the 21st and 22nd October….

It's only 1 or 2 games and they don't have scrums which are what can really fuck a pitch but it does rely on the pitch being sorted before hand

Sky Blue Pete · Aug 14, 2022

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
With the pitch relay it seems like the issue was that no-one would do it because they feared they wouldn't be paid. It wouldn't make sense for wasps to not do it and end up with an unplayable surface for their tenants because all that's going to do long term is reduce your income because they're not playing there.

So where do we go from here? Anyone got Overson's number?

Is he on here?

AFCCOVENTRY · Aug 14, 2022

Sky Blue Pete said:
Is he on here?

I thought Grendal was Overson?

Colin Steins Smile · Aug 14, 2022

Robinshio said:
I think the CBS are our best hope . Loads of negative publicity at the minute . contribution towards a new pitch would be a really good marketing move . The numbers being discussed are roundings for them, but would be a lot of good publicity versus the negatives currently attached to their brand

The email address for Steve Hughes CBS CEO is: steve.hughes@thecoventry.co.uk

Wyken Sky Blue · Aug 14, 2022

oldfiver said:
Coventry City turn to mediator to help solve CBS Arena pitch crisis

Coventry City have turned to West Midlands Mayor Andy Street - the man who helped broker the deal for the Sky Blues to return to their home stadium - to help solve the club's pitch crisis with landlords Wasps

www.coventrytelegraph.net

Stand by to hear of a WMCA grant to WASPs

It's fun to stay at the...

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Nick · Aug 14, 2022

oldfiver said:
Coventry City turn to mediator to help solve CBS Arena pitch crisis

Coventry City have turned to West Midlands Mayor Andy Street - the man who helped broker the deal for the Sky Blues to return to their home stadium - to help solve the club's pitch crisis with landlords Wasps

www.coventrytelegraph.net

Stand by to hear of a WMCA grant to WASPs

Claiming it's for the football club too

PVA · Aug 14, 2022

skyblue1991 said:
It's fun to stay at the...

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...CBS

Gynnsthetonic · Aug 14, 2022

Nick said:
Claiming it's for the football club too

oldfiver · Aug 14, 2022

AFCCOVENTRY said:
I thought Grendal was Overson?

Mr Overson may stop his sponsorship after this!

iflynno · Aug 14, 2022

Given there's Rugby League WC games at the CBS in October they would want the pitch in a playable state. Surely they must be aware of the current situation.

If pitch is still unfit to use what happens to those games surely that's but reprocussions for Wasps in that case.

I do wonder if Wasps want Andy Street to come in and mediate in the hope he can facilitate some WMCA funds to finance pitch replacement.

Skybluebeliever · Aug 14, 2022

Senior Vick from Alicante said:
I dont think any funding from the WMCA should be given to wasps for a pitch. Surely the grants are designed to help with projects that improve peoples lives not help badly run businesses stay afloat. How does the funding of a pitch in Coventry help the public in Walsall for instance? If the money is granted it should be in the form of a loan that they have to pay back, Wasps have had too easier a ride in the city from authorities as it is.

I don’t think there will be anyway around it , I think it will be damage limitation from the CWG and the West Midland authority that arranged the games
I personally don’t care where it comes from as long as we get a new pitch ,quickly and we remain in the city and all our fans can get back watching us play

Tommo1993 · Aug 14, 2022

Skybluebeliever said:
I don’t think there will be anyway around it , I think it will be damage limitation from the CWG and the West Midland authority that arranged the games
I personally don’t care where it comes from as long as we get a new pitch ,quickly and we remain in the city and all our fans can get back watching us play

If it really means that much to the club to be in Coventry, why do I feel like they won’t take some responsibility, sort the pitch and carry on? I get that Wasps aren’t fulfilling obligations and why should we step in and sort it out? But we seem more focused on digging our heels into them and just not getting the problem sorted. Fans, players and Robins just want it sorted but with DB it’s just ‘they won’t sort it’, ‘we’ve offered to help but they’re not interested’.

Worried that the club will make the wrong decision and seek alternative venues instead of growing some and just sorting the fucker out.

Nick · Aug 14, 2022

Why do people assume it's as simple as ccfc just ringing somebody up and getting a new pitch laid?

Deleted member 2477 · Aug 14, 2022

Tommo1993 said:
If it really means that much to the club to be in Coventry, why do I feel like they won’t take some responsibility, sort the pitch and carry on? I get that Wasps aren’t fulfilling obligations and why should we step in and sort it out? But we seem more focused on digging our heels into them and just not getting the problem sorted. Fans, players and Robins just want it sorted but with DB it’s just ‘they won’t sort it’, ‘we’ve offered to help but they’re not interested’.

Worried that the club will make the wrong decision and seek alternative venues instead of growing some and just sorting the fucker out.

So you want us to roll over and kiss the arse of Wasps by spunking money for a pitch that we wont own or have any say in other events on it including rugby that will destroy it for football and pay them the full rent as a bonus

Tommo1993 · Aug 14, 2022

Nick said:
Why do people assume it's as simple as ccfc just ringing somebody up and getting a new pitch laid?

It’s not even that. It’s the idea I’ve got in my head of City just poking a piss poor unwilling company with a stick to sort the most basic and important feature of a ground. Just fed up and desperate and warm.

Nick · Aug 14, 2022

Tommo1993 said:
It’s not even that. It’s the idea I’ve got in my head of City just poking a piss poor unwilling company with a stick to sort the most basic and important feature of a ground. Just fed up and desperate and warm.

That they have been paid to provide?

Tommo1993 · Aug 14, 2022

marcusp said:
So you want us to roll over and kiss the arse of Wasps by spunking money for a pitch that we wont own or have any say in other events on it including rugby that will destroy it for football and pay them the full rent as a bonus

We’d qualify for some sort of withhold surely. Whatever is spent is deducted.

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