Butts park arena? (1 Viewer)

AFCCOVENTRY · May 18, 2016

Interesting that there are a fair few stadiums in the premiership around the 25k mark.

http://www.statista.com/statistics/384458/premier-league-stadium-capacity/

Problem as some have mentioned is if we ever needed to increase capacity into the 30s. But at the same time we are so far off from being in the Premiership...

Deleted member 5849 · May 18, 2016

fernandopartridge said:
Maybe a restricted covenant should have been placed on the Ricoh Arena, limiting its activity to professional football.

How spiteful are Coventry City Council?

It's the bit that, really, I hope is followed up.

For if it were true, it would be disgraceful.

Anyway, if it's *really* possible to do 15k and then go up to 25k, then I bloody well hope this happens!

fernandopartridge · May 18, 2016

They don't need to provide any parking beyond a minimal amount for the club itself. The Emirates (capacity 60k) seems to do Ok.

SkyBlueHomer · May 18, 2016

Another thing people need to remember there are currently 2 teams playing there at the minute, CRFC & Cov Bears.
Could the stadium cope with 3 teams?

oldfiver · May 18, 2016

oldskyblue58 said:
I cant find it but I am sure this restrictive covenant isn't new, sure I saw mention of it a while back. That the 125 year lease CRFC had contained the restriction

Where are you looking ?

torchomatic · May 18, 2016

AFCCOVENTRY said:
Interesting that there's a fair few stadiums in the premiership around the 25k mark.

http://www.statista.com/statistics/384458/premier-league-stadium-capacity/

Problem as some have mentioned is if we ever needed to increase capacity into the 30s. But at the same time we are so far off from being in the Premiership...

IF is the word though, isn't it? We've been at the Ricoh for over a decade and rarely needed more than two thirds of capacity.

chiefdave · May 18, 2016

fernandopartridge said:
They don't need to provide any parking beyond a minimal amount for the club itself. The Emirates (capacity 60k) seems to do Ok.

Exactly, there's plenty of grounds with little to no parking and its not an issue yet when theres even a slight possibility of a new ground for us everyone wants to find fault with every little detail they can.

torchomatic · May 18, 2016

SkyBlueHomer said:
Another thing people need to remember there are currently 2 teams playing there at the minute, CRFC & Cov Bears.
Could the stadium cope with 3 teams?

Why could it not? We wouldn't all play at the same time though. Keep going though, I'm sure there's other things you can think of.

IrishSkyBlue · May 18, 2016

Nick said:
But then you have the argument of do you build a 30k stadium on the off chance of 1 or 2 big games a year?

You build something extendable in case of promotion etc.

and thats the other point i forgot to mention thanks nick expansion option should be included, since i dont live in cov and never been or seen butts areana you think this option is available at the butts site?

Nick · May 18, 2016

fernandopartridge said:
They don't need to provide any parking beyond a minimal amount for the club itself. The Emirates (capacity 60k) seems to do Ok.

I didn't drive when we were at HR, but that didn't have any did it apart from for staff etc?

oldskyblue58 · May 18, 2016

Capacities
Crystal Palace Selhurst Park 25,456
Swansea Liberty Stadium 20,909
Bournemouth Vitality Stadium 11,464

Everyone else bigger

http://www.skysports.com/football/n...biggest-premier-league-ground-after-expansion

Swansea have plans to increase to 32k I believe

Bournemouth I don't know of any expansion plans but have multi millionaire backing

oldfiver · May 18, 2016

SkyBlueHomer said:
Another thing people need to remember there are currently 2 teams playing there at the minute, CRFC & Cov Bears.
Could the stadium cope with 3 teams?

Bears play on Sundays in the Summer (I think that applies to the Rugby League teams as well - I'll get me coat ! )

torchomatic · May 18, 2016

Damian Gannon:

He said: “I understand that the relationship between CCFC and the Council has not been great but this presents a real opportunity for us to “press the reset button” on our relationship with them and work to produce an outcome that works for the football club as well as the local authority. It would seem churlish for the Council to reject such a proposal out-of-hand particularly as a move closer to the city centre so obviously fits in with what we have been trying to achieve over the past few years in terms of growing the city centre.

“I have written to the Football Club and the Rugby Club asking for a meeting so I can get a fuller appreciation of these proposals and how we can all work together to make our city prosper and our local sports team achieve their true potential.”

He said: “This is very exciting news not only for the Butts and Spon End but also for the city as a whole. There is significant potential to regenerate this area creating jobs and opportunities for local people.

“Whilst I understand it still early days and there is a-lot of work still to be done the proposals sound as though they fit very closely with the council’s political, economic and social objectives of focusing on growing the city centre and becoming a top-ten city. This proposal would bring thousands of people into the Butts and would have positive knock-on effects to local businesses in the city centre.”

chiefdave · May 18, 2016

torchomatic said:
Damian Gannon

Sounds more like it, which party is he?

Deleted member 5849 · May 18, 2016

torchomatic said:
Damian Gannon:

He said: “I understand that the relationship between CCFC and the Council has not been great but this presents a real opportunity for us to “press the reset button” on our relationship with them and work to produce an outcome that works for the football club as well as the local authority. It would seem churlish for the Council to reject such a proposal out-of-hand particularly as a move closer to the city centre so obviously fits in with what we have been trying to achieve over the past few years in terms of growing the city centre.

“I have written to the Football Club and the Rugby Club asking for a meeting so I can get a fuller appreciation of these proposals and how we can all work together to make our city prosper and our local sports team achieve their true potential.”

Did I say before how much I liked this bloke?

But great, exactly the noises we want to hear.

skyblueinBaku · May 18, 2016

oldskyblue58 said:
Bournemouth I don't know but have multi millionaire backing

They want to expand, but I believe that the plan has been put on hold.

torchomatic · May 18, 2016

Deleted member 5849 said:
Did I say before how much I liked this bloke?

Yes, I've always been fed up with you and your "Damian Gannon this and Damian Gannon that".

torchomatic · May 18, 2016

chiefdave said:
Sounds more like it, which party is he?

Labour. I bet that's pissed of Maton.

Deleted member 5849 · May 18, 2016

So... we're actually getting what we all wanted, aren't we?

Club are coming up with practical solutions for a ground, that the rugby club are on board with.

Council suggest there is at least tacit approval of plans if they can be worked out.

Isn't this the best start we've had to finding a solution and moving on for nigh on an eternity?

(I'm still expecting it all to come crashing down, but the club are looking at a site in the city, and the council say they want to work with them to make it happen - this is immense progress!)

oldskyblue58 · May 18, 2016

skyblueindorset said:
They want to expand, but I believe that the plan has been put on hold.

http://www.afcb.co.uk/news/article/south-stand-afc-bournemouth-stadium-expansion-plans-3012635.aspx

latest plans but still up to only 14259

chiefdave · May 18, 2016

Will be interesting to see what the new council leader has to say.

torchomatic · May 18, 2016

oldskyblue58 said:
http://www.afcb.co.uk/news/article/south-stand-afc-bournemouth-stadium-expansion-plans-3012635.aspx

latest plans but still up to only 14259

They'll never get anywhere with such a small capacity. They've said so on here, so hard luck Bournemouth.

Captain Dart · May 18, 2016

OffenhamSkyBlue said:
CCFC have now released an official statement.
What I don't get is that they say "It is important that the club continues to work towards securing it's (sic) long-term future".
They have always said that the only way to achieve long-term financial viability is to own their own stadium, but Cov Rugby seem to be saying that they themselves would remain owners, and the Sky Blues would be tenants.

There is always a logical impossibility in what SISU say they want to do and what other people do or intend to do. It never adds up.

Skyblueweeman · May 18, 2016

oldskyblue58 said:
I cant find it but I am sure this restrictive covenant isn't new, sure I saw mention of it a while back. That the 125 year lease CRFC had contained the restriction

OSB, do you know much about these covenants?

Assuming you do (and apologies if you don't), could there have been a reason why there wasn't one in place on the Ricoh for other sports?

Winny the Bish · May 18, 2016

Encouraging words from Gannon - makes me a tiny bit hopeful something can be resolved.

Knowing our luck, the rest of the council will tell him to shut up and tow their line.

Sky Blue Kid · May 18, 2016

If people had listened carefully they would have heard 15k capacity maybe extending to 25k. but no real probablity of any extention above 15k... Non starter.

Nick · May 18, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
If people had listened carefully they would have heard 15k capacity maybe extending to 25k. but no real probablity of any extention above 15k... Non starter.

Shock, people who are moaning about the capacity are people who refuse / don't go anyway.

jimmyhillsfanclub · May 18, 2016

Skyblueweeman said:
OSB, do you know much about these covenants?

Assuming you do (and apologies if you don't), could there have been a reason why there wasn't one in place on the Ricoh for other sports?

Incompetence is probably the best bet

oldskyblue58 · May 18, 2016

Skyblueweeman said:
OSB, do you know much about these covenants?

Assuming you do (and apologies if you don't), could there have been a reason why there wasn't one in place on the Ricoh for other sports?

I would think that it was always intended as a multi purpose and multi sport venue - so that it would maximise income ?:

Would think the leaseholders of Butts Park Arena would argue it was therefore unfair and unreasonable for such a restriction to be on their stadium. These things can be changed but not always. It maybe a restriction because of the neighbouring properties for instance

Philosoraptor · May 18, 2016

Gannon's the labour councillor who re-tweeted someone asking the electorate not to vote labour at the local elections. The bloke that's in charge of the councils stake in cluster-bombs. Think he maybe after a way to still be relevant in local politics after the soon to be held clear out.

torchomatic · May 18, 2016

Sky Blue Kid said:
... Non starter.

You desperately hope.

oldfiver · May 18, 2016

oldskyblue58 said:
I would think that it was always intended as a multi purpose and multi sport venue - so that it would maximise income ?:

Would think the leaseholders of Butts Park Arena would argue it was therefore unfair and unreasonable for such a restriction to be on their stadium. These things can be changed but not always. It maybe a restriction because of the neighbouring properties for instance

I do not think there were any neighbouring properties when the Head lease was first granted - certainly not residential.

Nick · May 18, 2016

oldskyblue58 said:
I would think that it was always intended as a multi purpose and multi sport venue - so that it would maximise income ?:

Would think the leaseholders of Butts Park Arena would argue it was therefore unfair and unreasonable for such a restriction to be on their stadium. These things can be changed but not always. It maybe a restriction because of the neighbouring properties for instance

Then surely it limits Cov RFC?

For example if they got promoted and got to Wasps level, what difference would say 10 - 15k Rugby fans make around the area to 10 -15k football fans?

Deleted member 5849 · May 18, 2016

oldskyblue58 said:
I would think that it was always intended as a multi purpose and multi sport venue - so that it would maximise income ?:

Would think the leaseholders of Butts Park Arena would argue it was therefore unfair and unreasonable for such a restriction to be on their stadium. These things can be changed but not always. It maybe a restriction because of the neighbouring properties for instance

Of course if Gannon's comments are true of the general view in CCC, it appears the will is there to change anything, anyway. That in itself is encouraging.

Nick · May 18, 2016

Deleted member 5849 said:
Of course if Gannon's comments are true of the general view in CCC, it appears the will is there to change anything, anyway. That in itself is encouraging.

I am just waiting for the new leader to drop a bomb...

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