Samo
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But Wasps don't want to know Otis!
Anyway, by the time we need to move from the Butts, Cov Utd will be ready to move in!
So you want us to build two stadiums? Brilliant!!
Where's all the money coming for this then?
If the Butts was ready now as a 15,000 seater stadium then I would say fine, let's go there, but we are talking tens of millions and at least two years to even get to the stage of 15,000.
Would you seriously want those multi millions shelled out, for then maybe within 10 years having to go through the process all again?
Why not get it right first time? Let's trying and get the council backing us, meanwhile, Sisu should drop the court cases and work with Wasps for as long as it takes until we are in a position to find a secure home not just for 10 years, but for the next 100.
Of course the preference would be for our own PL standard. But thats not an option. And the position we are in at the moment it is highly unlikely we will attract a new owner who can make it happen. So what do we do? Stay at the Ricoh under Wasps for the foreseeable future just hoping for the best?So you want us to build two stadiums? Brilliant!!
I haven't seen the financials for the Butts but you need to consider that if a new stadium costs, finger in the air figure, £40m it doesn't mean CCFC need to come up with £40m. CCC put less than 9% of the construction cost of the Ricoh in to own 100%. In my example that would mean £3.6m to split between us and CRFC.Where's all the money coming for this then?
So you want us to build two stadiums? Brilliant!!
Where's all the money coming for this then?
If the Butts was ready now as a 15,000 seater stadium then I would say fine, let's go there, but we are talking tens of millions and at least two years to even get to the stage of 15,000.
Would you seriously want those multi millions shelled out, for then maybe within 10 years having to go through the process all again?
Why not get it right first time? Let's trying and get the council backing us, meanwhile, Sisu should drop the court cases and work with Wasps for as long as it takes until we are in a position to find a secure home not just for 10 years, but for the next 100.
I've mentioned it a few times now but keep feeling the need to bring it back up but if there's room for a 25K stadium build the shell of a 25K stadium but only fit out for 15K if that's all we really need at this stage. Go up to the championship fit out another 5K to raise the capacity to 20K. It could be done over the summer. And then if we find that 20K isn't enough keep adding until we get to the 25K. Is that too difficult? Got to be easier than going through a complete rebuild and cheaper too.
Not aimed at you by the way Otis, just tagging my ten pennies worth on the back of your post.
But the point people seem to be missing is we're not in a great position currently. People are banging on about what happens when we get in the PL but staying at the Ricoh we have virtually no chance of getting in the PL.
If, when all the options are examined, the Butts is the best option to put the club on a solid footing then surely you do that. If in ten years time its too small and we need to look at moving to a 50K stadium then so be it. At that point we will be a successful team doing a lot for the city so you would hope would get more support from the likes of the council.
People are talking like we're marching to the PL and this will stop us in our tracks.
Of course the preference would be for our own PL standard. But thats not an option. And the position we are in at the moment it is highly unlikely we will attract a new owner who can make it happen. So what do we do? Stay at the Ricoh under Wasps for the foreseeable future just hoping for the best?
Sometimes you can't go straight from A to B you have to go via C.
I haven't seen the financials for the Butts but you need to consider that if a new stadium costs, finger in the air figure, £40m it doesn't mean CCFC need to come up with £40m. CCC put less than 9% of the construction cost of the Ricoh in to own 100%. In my example that would mean £3.6m to split between us and CRFC.
As for a future PL stadium that would need new owners. We will struggle to attract new owners in our current position. I would suggest a football club playing in the Championship with sell out crowds and a waiting list for season tickets would attract much more interest.
You would think when building / modifying it would be done with expansion in mind rather than knocking it down to start again if it was bigger
Common sense would say it would be designed and built with further expansion in mind so it's easier in the future?I could be wrong and in the lack of any real information and direction from the owners I would suggest that once you have to start excavating land to accommodate the tight surroundings an of the peg modular stadium designed for a brown/green field site becomes unviable. This would suggest that it would have to be tailor made, therefore surely so would any extension at a later date.
I don't remember HR packed to the rafters with people locked outside.
I don't remember us playing st Highfield in the current premier league
What about 1992 - 2001?I don't remember us playing st Highfield in the current premier league
Current that's 15 years agoWhat about 1992 - 2001?
I still don't I think so, the Butts will slow SISU to sell the club to someone who may have the capability to get us there.I don't remember anybody thinking there was a remote chance of us playing there under SISU until people mentioned Butts.
I still don't I think so, the Butts will slow SISU to sell the club to someone who may have the capability to get us there.
They will be stuck with a 25k stadium with now room for expansion
Would have thought SISU selling up and us having a 25k stadium in the middle of town would be a dream?
Our fans will never be happy, if it was 30,000 they would want 35,000.
Again, to show SISU it won't work. Let's fill the Ricoh every game next season, the more we only get 10 - 11k, the more they think 15-20k capacity would do.
Like I said, some fans will never be happy.No a 25k stadium with no ability to ever expand would never be my dream.
30k is more than enough in my opinion.
We would only be downgrading on what we have by 2k
30 is more than enough but no to 25 thousand? How are you whining about 5 thousand?
But the council sold land to tesco to raise moneyOf course the preference would be for our own PL standard. But thats not an option. And the position we are in at the moment it is highly unlikely we will attract a new owner who can make it happen. So what do we do? Stay at the Ricoh under Wasps for the foreseeable future just hoping for the best?
Sometimes you can't go straight from A to B you have to go via C.
I haven't seen the financials for the Butts but you need to consider that if a new stadium costs, finger in the air figure, £40m it doesn't mean CCFC need to come up with £40m. CCC put less than 9% of the construction cost of the Ricoh in to own 100%. In my example that would mean £3.6m to split between us and CRFC.
As for a future PL stadium that would need new owners. We will struggle to attract new owners in our current position. I would suggest a football club playing in the Championship with sell out crowds and a waiting list for season tickets would attract much more interest.
We need to give Wasps an incentive that when we get to the Championship/PL they will benefit.
I haven't seen the financials for the Butts but you need to consider that if a new stadium costs, finger in the air figure, £40m it doesn't mean CCFC need to come up with £40m. CCC put less than 9% of the construction cost of the Ricoh in to own 100%. In my example that would mean £3.6m to split between us and CRFC.
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We shouldn't need to give Wasps fuck all. We're the hometown club...they're the outsiders.
If anything, to try and appease the locals, they should be doing all they can to accommodate us.
The fact they're not speaks volumes for the true character of the club in my personal opinion.
I hope Exeter stuff them today.
We shouldn't need to give Wasps fuck all. We're the hometown club...they're the outsiders.
If anything, to try and appease the locals, they should be doing all they can to accommodate us.
The fact they're not speaks volumes for the true character of the club in my personal opinion.
I hope Exeter stuff them today.
But the council sold land to tesco to raise money
No need to be obtuse. The point is the construction cost is not the same as the amount CCFC would need to finance.So we need to include a shopping centre, casino, hotel and conference centre at the Butts?
No need to be obtuse. The point is the construction cost is not the same as the amount CCFC would need to finance.
Like I said, some fans will never be happy.
People who go on about us never going anywhere under SISU, are now worrying that a ground won't be big enough when we get to the Premier League...
It's no surprise that it is mainly people who dislike SISU are saying the ground won't be big enough.
A potential 25k stadium in the middle of town, with no SISU and people still want a bit more.
30 is more than enough but no to 25 thousand? How are you whining about 5 thousand?
Swansea is smaller than Coventry.
They have 8000 people waiting for season tickets at their 20k capacity (approx) stadium.
When we have had big matches we have hit 27 to 28k so the potential is there. I appreciate that was boosted by away fans. Of which in the premiership the demand from those away fans will be there.
With divides you 25k will actually be 24k.
It really isn't enough.
I also have serious issues with starting at 15k
Swansea is smaller than Coventry.
They have 8000 people waiting for season tickets at their 20k capacity (approx) stadium.
When we have had big matches we have hit 27 to 28k so the potential is there. I appreciate that was boosted by away fans. Of which in the premiership the demand from those away fans will be there.
With divides you 25k will actually be 24k.
It really isn't enough.
I also have serious issues with starting at 15k
Well thanks to Anne we only have 248 more years to wait. Doesn't time fly.
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I certainly think it is a bit simplistic to blame the loss of a stadium on one person - who wasn't even on the board of CCFC.
Like I said, some fans will never be happy.
People who go on about us never going anywhere under SISU, are now worrying that a ground won't be big enough when we get to the Premier League...
It's no surprise that it is mainly people who dislike SISU are saying the ground won't be big enough.
A potential 25k stadium in the middle of town, with no SISU and people still want a bit more.
She was the leader of the organisation that sold the stadium to Wasps, up until that point there was a way back. It is kinda that simple.
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