Bright and Robins (2 Viewers)

usskyblue · Sep 20, 2021

Irish Sky Blue said:
It sounds almost like you want one of our own players to fail, perhaps simply to prove your own point.

If he is messing the club about then he won't get near the first team and will be out of the door or in the bomb squad pretty quickly.
That doesn't seem to have happened yet so presumably Robins still thinks there is still a chance that he can get properly fit and be a positive influence in the squad.

If Robins thinks that, knowing that he can be ruthless with players who have served him far better than Bright, why keep carping on?

There is no doubt that to challenge for a place in this squad, even to get a place on the bench, Bright will have to work his socks off and be 100% committed to the team. If he reaches that level then great. If he doesn't then it can be put down to a gamble that failed.

What certainly doesn't seem to be the case is that his presence is having any sort of negative effect on team or squad.
In 55 years of watching City I have rarely seen a team so committed, so up for each game.
With this as the case, why not let the story of Bright play out one way or the other instead of appearing so desperate for one of our players to fail?

Tobyfair there’s a discussion amongst some people but it’s largely been a tag team of a few that have headed up this little ‘campaign’ and others have lumped on. I don’t think it’s a hope of failure, just a need to be right at any cost, which, given it’s one of our own players, is a little bizarre… but not new for whatever fucking reason.

Up to them I guess but going ‘all-in’ either way when no one really knows what’s actually going on… not even the ITK’s… is literally like begging for a hindsight fuck. And given that one of the instigators has had their arse bored to three times it’s normal circumference by repeatedly calling for taxis, you’d think they’d know better ?

slowpoke · Sep 20, 2021

usskyblue said:
Tobyfair there’s a discussion amongst some people but it’s largely been a tag team of a few that have headed up this little ‘campaign’ and others have lumped on. I don’t think it’s a hope of failure, just a need to be right at any cost, which, given it’s one of our own players, is a little bizarre… but not new for whatever fucking reason.

Up to them I guess but going ‘all-in’ either way when no one really knows what’s actually going on… not even the ITK’s… is literally like begging for a hindsight fuck. And given that one of the instigators has had their arse bored to three times it’s normal circumference by repeatedly calling for taxis, you’d think they’d know better ?

I will be interested to read the responses to this and Irish Sky Blue
especially Nicks

clint van damme · Sep 20, 2021

usskyblue said:
Tobyfair there’s a discussion amongst some people but it’s largely been a tag team of a few that have headed up this little ‘campaign’ and others have lumped on. I don’t think it’s a hope of failure, just a need to be right at any cost, which, given it’s one of our own players, is a little bizarre… but not new for whatever fucking reason.

Up to them I guess but going ‘all-in’ either way when no one really knows what’s actually going on… not even the ITK’s… is literally like begging for a hindsight fuck. And given that one of the instigators has had their arse bored to three times it’s normal circumference by repeatedly calling for taxis, you’d think they’d know better ?

That's not my reasoning at all. And I rarely slate players.
But as Irish Sky Blue said, and I agree with him, this is clearly a tight knit squad who have got each others back. Well Ive seen that sort of comsraderie undone by one bad apple before, (admittedly not in a sporting environment), and Bright strikes me as thatsort of bad apple.

Now I can't know that for sure but based on his career so far andhis cancelled contracts Id say its a fair assumption.
There are also 2 posters with decent track records are saying there's been issues and one who is generally wrong about everything contradicting them.

It's not that I want Bright to fail, I just can't see it working out with him so would be happier if he was out of the club.

I can't see it working out for Jodi Jones, Shipley or Dacosta either but I'm fully behind them and hope they prove me wrong because they're not arseholes.

Nick · Sep 20, 2021

slowpoke said:
I will be interested to read the responses to this and Irish Sky Blue
especially Nicks

Are you obsessed?

Views don't change because strangely people get upset because he did a few step overs years ago and think he's going to drag us to the prem.

Its up there with people getting upset with others pointing out dale Evans was a chancer

See cvd response.

Sick Boy · Sep 20, 2021

Nick said:
Are you obsessed?

Views don't change because strangely people get upset because he did a few step overs years ago and think he's going to drag us to the prem.

Its up there with people getting upset with others pointing out dale Evans was a chancer

See cvd response.

It’s the usual attempts to shut down debate on here.

Torquay Sky Blue · Sep 20, 2021

Bright and Jones . If evere there were two opposites in character you have it right there

Travs · Sep 20, 2021

Who gives a toss quite frankly.

It's a no-lose situation. If he comes good then we potentially have an asset to the squad.

If it doesn't then no doubt Robins will get rid. Bright is hardly "wrecking team sprit" at the moment is he...?

Irish Sky Blue · Sep 20, 2021

The debate as I see it, with that particular poster, is why you would be so happy if one of our players fails? So far judging by what we have seen on the pitch Bright has had no negative impact on the squad or the team.

I wouldn't dispute anything that Better Days says about the club, he obviously has inside knowledge of what goes on and I always look forward to his posts. I don't think that there is anywhere that he says Robins has or should give Bright the boot.

I know it's a different case and a different character but so many people were adamant that Jamie Allen should go. What a loss that would have been already to our team this season had the 'experts' on here been listened too.

I don't see that as shutting down but adding to this debate.

Irish Sky Blue · Sep 20, 2021

clint van damme said:
That's not my reasoning at all. And I rarely slate players.
But as Irish Sky Blue said, and I agree with him, this is clearly a tight knit squad who have got each others back. Well Ive seen that sort of comsraderie undone by one bad apple before, (admittedly not in a sporting environment), and Bright strikes me as thatsort of bad apple.

Now I can't know that for sure but based on his career so far andhis cancelled contracts Id say its a fair assumption.
There are also 2 posters with decent track records are saying there's been issues and one who is generally wrong about everything contradicting them.

It's not that I want Bright to fail, I just can't see it working out with him so would be happier if he was out of the club.

I can't see it working out for Jodi Jones, Shipley or Dacosta either but I'm fully behind them and hope they prove me wrong because they're not arseholes.

But it therefore seems that you are wanting Bright to go based on no evidence, just what might happen and what you have seen happen in a non sporting area.

My gripe is with the chap (not you) above who is obviously taking great delight that Enobakare is nowhere near the team yet. He isn't the only poster who seems to relish seeing one of our players fail. I don't understand that at all.

Nick · Sep 20, 2021

Irish Sky Blue said:
The debate as I see it, with that particular poster, is why you would be so happy if one of our players fails? So far judging by what we have seen on the pitch Bright has had no negative impact on the squad or the team.

I wouldn't dispute anything that Better Days says about the club, he obviously has inside knowledge of what goes on and I always look forward to his posts. I don't think that there is anywhere that he says Robins has or should give Bright the boot.

I know it's a different case and a different character but so many people were adamant that Jamie Allen should go. What a loss that would have been already to our team this season had the 'experts' on here been listened too.

I don't see that as shutting down but adding to this debate.

I don't think many people said the same about Jamie Allen as they have about Bright? Not many have ever questioned his attitude.

Grendel · Sep 20, 2021

Nick said:
I don't think many people said the same about Jamie Allen as they have about Bright? Not many have ever questioned his attitude.

It’s random. Shipley has actually had far more abuse - the biggest accusation you can make about a professional footballer is lack of application on the field of play and he’s had that levelled at him many times.

A lot of people on here have bigged Dim up to be some kind of superstar - one even said he’s like George Best. He’s not even in the same league as Leon Best. They are embarrassed hence these ridiculous over the top attempts to shut down discussion

SlowerThanPlatt · Sep 20, 2021

Grendel said:
A lot of people on here have bigged Dim up to be some kind of superstar - one even said he’s like George Best. He’s not even in the same league as Leon Best. They are embarrassed hence these ridiculous over the top attempts to shut down discussion

Case in point this thread. One advocating for a manager change so we can accommodate him

Irish Sky Blue · Sep 20, 2021

Nick said:
I don't think many people said the same about Jamie Allen as they have about Bright? Not many have ever questioned his attitude.

Lots of people said he should go, nowhere near Championship level was the concensus of some. Fans are wrong sometimes. I'm sure that we'd all hope that they are wrong about Bright too wouldn't we?

better days · Sep 20, 2021

Grendel said:
It’s random. Shipley has actually had far more abuse - the biggest accusation you can make about a professional footballer is lack of application on the field of play and he’s had that levelled at him many times.

A lot of people on here have bigged Dim up to be some kind of superstar - one even said he’s like George Best. He’s not even in the same league as Leon Best. They are embarrassed hence these ridiculous over the top attempts to shut down discussion

Tbh G I think whoever made the George Best comparison was talking about his off the field activities

fernandopartridge · Sep 20, 2021

SlowerThanPlatt said:
Case in point this thread. One advocating for a manager change so we can accommodate him

Who said that?

Sick Boy · Sep 20, 2021

SlowerThanPlatt said:
Case in point this thread. One advocating for a manager change so we can accommodate him

Hahaha...that was probably the craziest post i've read on here, which is saying something.

better days · Sep 20, 2021

We have an U23 game at QPR tomorrow
Be interesting to see if Bright features

Sick Boy · Sep 20, 2021

fernandopartridge said:
Who said that?

The OP was hinting at it.

Ccfcisparks · Sep 20, 2021

Irish Sky Blue said:
Lots of people said he should go, nowhere near Championship level was the concensus of some. Fans are wrong sometimes. I'm sure that we'd all hope that they are wrong about Bright too wouldn't we?

More than happy to be wrong, but Its likely he will never touch a match day squad and thus have been a waste of wages.

The Philosopher · Sep 20, 2021

Bright has talent but his head (allegedly) screwed on wrong. Shipley seems to have lost his mojo. We’ve had many players who have bags of talent but for whatever reason their heads go daft and we end up wasting fortunes.

Kyle
Eastwood
Whelan

In the latter case Strachan went out of his way to bring him on the straight and narrow.

On the flip, McNulty seems to have have done the opposite. He left here on track and now seems not so.

Anyway, I think that’s what Doyle brought to the squad: a big brother / prefect / role model figure that the younger lads respected / got collared by.

Fadz might have a bit of that in him - I don’t know.

Either way, as I rambled earlier, getting someone in to mentor some of these young lads might be money well spent.

I’d hate to see Bright / Shipley end up doing a Kev Thornton / Robin Friday.

clint van damme · Sep 20, 2021

Irish Sky Blue said:
But it therefore seems that you are wanting Bright to go based on no evidence, just what might happen and what you have seen happen in a non sporting area.

My gripe is with the chap (not you) above who is obviously taking great delight that Enobakare is nowhere near the team yet. He isn't the only poster who seems to relish seeing one of our players fail. I don't understand that at all.

No evidence apart from 2 cancelled contracts and a lot of anecdotal evidence from other clubs he's been at. I don't trust him.

Sick Boy · Sep 20, 2021

The Philosopher said:
Bright has talent but his head (allegedly) screwed on wrong. Shipley seems to have lost his mojo. We’ve had many players who have bags of talent but for whatever reason their heads go daft and we end up wasting fortunes.

Kyle
Eastwood
Whelan

In the latter case Strachan went out of his way to bring him on the straight and narrow.

On the flip, McNulty seems to have have done the opposite. He left here on track and now seems not so.

Anyway, I think that’s what Doyle brought to the squad: a big brother / prefect / role model figure that the younger lads respected / got collared by.

Fadz might have a bit of that in him - I don’t know.

Either way, as I rambled earlier, getting someone in to mentor some of these young lads might be money well spent.

I’d hate to see Bright / Shipley end up doing a Kev Thornton / Robin Friday.

It’s an insult to Whelan to be included alongside those lot, especially being classed as a player we wasted a fortune on.

Sick Boy · Sep 20, 2021

clint van damme said:
No evidence apart from 2 cancelled contracts and a lot of anecdotal evidence from other clubs he's been at. I don't trust him.

You just hate him and want him to fail.

Grendel · Sep 20, 2021

better days said:
Tbh G I think whoever made the George Best comparison was talking about his off the field activities

He said “it’s a good job George Best or Maradonna never played for this club as they’d be crucified”

Mmmmm Best had played 230 games in tbd top division won 2 league titles and a European cup at 25

Maradonna nearly 200 games in Argentina top division and then 100 in Spain and Italy premier divisions

It’s a very strange comparison to say they were similar in any way at all.

Why mention them when all he is is a poor mans Kevin Thornton

COV · Sep 20, 2021

SlowerThanPlatt said:
Case in point this thread. One advocating for a manager change so we can accommodate him

Did someone actually say we should bin Robins to accommodate Bright?

SlowerThanPlatt · Sep 20, 2021

COV said:
Did someone actually say we should bin Robins to accommodate Bright?

The first couple of lines from the OP says Bright could be a big player for us this season but Robins isn’t the right manager - he suggests Harry Redknapp would be

better days · Sep 20, 2021

Grendel said:
He said “it’s a good job George Best or Maradonna never played for this club as they’d be crucified”

Mmmmm Best had played 230 games in tbd top division won 2 league titles and a European cup at 25

Maradonna nearly 200 games in Argentina top division and then 100 in Spain and Italy premier divisions

It’s a very strange comparison to say they were similar in any way at all.

Why mention them when all he is is a poor mans Kevin Thornton

I took that in the sense that Best and Maradona both had car crash lives away from the pitch

COV · Sep 20, 2021

SlowerThanPlatt said:
The first couple of lines from the OP says Bright could be a big player for us this season but Robins isn’t the right manager - he suggests Harry Redknapp would be

I see it now. But he doesn't "advocate changing the manager to accommodate Bright" though? They are your words not his.

Grendel · Sep 20, 2021

better days said:
I took that in the sense that Best and Maradona both had car crash lives away from the pitch

They still played and again why mention top quality players and not comparisons to Dim

Londonccfcfan · Sep 20, 2021

jordan210 said:
All I want from Bright is some sort of comical cameo. Come on scores a worldie, gets sent off and never seen again

Sounds like Kastaneer

Nick · Sep 20, 2021

Londonccfcfan said:
Sounds like Kastaneer

To be fair Kastaneer also got booked for getting stuck in while on the sideline.

The Philosopher · Sep 20, 2021

Sick Boy said:
It’s an insult to Whelan to be included alongside those lot, especially being classed as a player we wasted a fortune on.

If you read the next line it goes on to say how Strachan mentored him and put him on the straight and narrow. At the time Whelan joined Strachan was 38 y/o asst manager / player, ie, someone who could be seen as a mentor / role model in the Doyle style.

I’m comfortable in my beliefs that in some cases, a mentor who isn’t necessarily the manager is key.

Irish Sky Blue · Sep 20, 2021

clint van damme said:
No evidence apart from 2 cancelled contracts and a lot of anecdotal evidence from other clubs he's been at. I don't trust him.

Evidence that he is having a negative effect here? If that's not the case why not trust Robins and give him a chance?

Irish Sky Blue · Sep 20, 2021

Sick Boy said:
You just hate him and want him to fail.

Where did he say that?

Grendel · Sep 20, 2021

The Philosopher said:
If you read the next line it goes on to say how Strachan mentored him and put him on the straight and narrow. At the time Whelan joined Strachan was 38 y/o asst manager / player, ie, someone who could be seen as a mentor / role model in the Doyle style.

I’m comfortable in my beliefs that in some cases, a mentor who isn’t necessarily the manager is key.

Strachan was manager when he "mentored" Whelan

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