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[h=1]Breaking My Heart To Make The Decision I Have[/h]By JM
Updated Monday, 29th July 2013
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One Man's View
I am a fan of over 50 years support and held a season ticket for 34 years.
In previous seasons, I have travelled the world in my business life but always made a point of being at home when Home games were due to be played.
In total I missed 4 home games between being promoted to the First division in 1967 and when we were relegated from the Premiership.
I will not be going to Northampton as I believe the only way to get a Hedge fund to leave our club is to starve them of income.
They are only interested in Financials, not the club, not the fans, not the community, only how they can make money.

I will support my team at the thirteen Midland derby’s we have, and will also go to about five other grounds within a two hour drive.

There are plenty of opportunities to support my team and I would urge others to do the same.
But if you go to Northampton I will not blame you as it is breaking my heart to make the decision I have.



I think there are alot of fans at this point now :(:(:(:(:(:(:(
 
WestEndAgro

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Great post, and it reflects my stance also, away days only, until we return home

COVENTRY LOYAL
 
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Sub said:
I believe the only way to get a Hedge fund to leave our club is to starve them of income.
They are only interested in Financials, not the club, not the fans, not the community, only how they can make money.
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This is where I don't understand the Not One Penny More [NOPM] campaign. Maybe I'm on my own here, but I can't see how starving SISU/CCFC will make our owners leave.

The whole purpose of a hedge fund is to take over a failing business, cut its losses and turn a profit in a relatively short space of time. They've done the cutting but have yet to return a profit. SISU as we have seen are a stubborn bunch and seem like they will only sell at the right price, I can't see them wanting to lose as much as they claim they've invested. So surely it would be better for people to keep on spending?
 
SkyBlue_Bear83

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SuperCov said:
This is where I don't understand the Not One Penny More [NOPM] campaign. Maybe I'm on my own here, but I can't see how starving SISU/CCFC will make our owners leave.

The whole purpose of a hedge fund is to take over a failing business, cut its losses and turn a profit in a relatively short space of time. They've done the cutting but have yet to return a profit. SISU as we have seen are a stubborn bunch and seem like they will only sell at the right price, I can't see them wanting to lose as much as they claim they've invested. So surely it would be better for people to keep on spending?
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I've suggested this before, the quickest way to get rid of them is to give them what they want. It has been made clear that they won't sell the club at such a low point so driving the club even lower will not solve anything
 
Otis

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CCFC said:
I've suggested this before, the quickest way to get rid of them is to give them what they want. It has been made clear that they won't sell the club at such a low point so driving the club even lower will not solve anything
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How is the quickest way to get rid of them to go to Northampton? It is going to cost Sisu a lot of money to invest and build a new stadium (not all the money can be coming from elsewhere. There will be plenty of costs involved with the design, planning etc.)

If we all go to Northampton and fill the place there will be no incentive for Sisu to build a new stadium. They might as well stop there until we return a profit.

Just don't see how that is going to get rid of them at any sort of speed whatsoever.
 
torchomatic

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I can't see how packing out every away game will get rid of SISU either.
 
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Otis said:
If we all go to Northampton and fill the place there will be no incentive for Sisu to build a new stadium. They might as well stop there until we return a profit.
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There would, as they would get more crowds, more profile, more assets, and the club would be more saleable once they moved back.

Staying at Northampton long term is not an option, whether we get 7, 700 or 7000
 
italiahorse

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Deleted member 5849 said:
There would, as they would get more crowds, more profile, more assets, and the club would be more saleable once they moved back.

Staying at Northampton long term is not an option, whether we get 7, 700 or 7000
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Moved back to a poxy new stadium. No ambition other than SISU estate. We'll just be a building between DFS and Halfords. No thanks, I'll take my memories. Coventry Cobblers will see the end of my support.
 
Paxman II

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The thing is not going to Northampton will make no impact other than maybe effect the very results you are hoping for from success on the pitch by giving your backing to the players?
This picky "I'll go to away games but won't give them a penny" just strikes me as hypocritical. You are telling the players you hope will turn it on for you at away games that you won't support them at the 'home' games because you hate the owners?

I don't blame you for your stance but can't see what you think you are achieving. If the team is supported well they have a better chance of doing something. The defeatist attitude by some is more damaging.

The OP though I respect his opinion says the hedge fund owners are only interested in making money? Err I guess any business is right?
Football is a business. Did you expect them to just pump in money and lose money without considering what can be done about it?
 
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SuperCov said:
This is where I don't understand the Not One Penny More [NOPM] campaign. Maybe I'm on my own here, but I can't see how starving SISU/CCFC will make our owners leave.

The whole purpose of a hedge fund is to take over a failing business, cut its losses and turn a profit in a relatively short space of time. They've done the cutting but have yet to return a profit. SISU as we have seen are a stubborn bunch and seem like they will only sell at the right price, I can't see them wanting to lose as much as they claim they've invested. So surely it would be better for people to keep on spending?
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Because SISU must honestly believe that fans are not serious in their fan boycott. I believe Fisher has already stated that he believes the fans will return after a couple of home games. If the fans are resolute in their determination to not go to Sixfields, then eventually SISU will realise there is no hope of any future prospects of them making any kind of return.
 
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Houdi said:
Because SISU must honestly believe that fans are not serious in their fan boycott. I believe Fisher has already stated that he believes the fans will return after a couple of home games. If the fans are resolute in their determination to not go to Sixfields, then eventually SISU will realise there is no hope of any future prospects of them making any kind of return.
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Isn't that the Keep Coventry in Coventry campaign though? Which I back. There is no reason for the club to leave the city, the whole situation has got too personal between both sides which is the problem. The NOPM is to starve the club out of income which I think is wrong, although it is catch 22. Hate the owners/Want to support the team. SISU could just liquidate us anyway couldn't they (if worst came to the worst [for them])? I'm pretty sure if we were playing at the RICOH this NOPM will start to fade. I'm just getting tired with it all. Wish people could put issues aside and thrash out a deal to play at the RICOH.
 
Otis

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Deleted member 5849 said:
There would, as they would get more crowds, more profile, more assets, and the club would be more saleable once they moved back.

Staying at Northampton long term is not an option, whether we get 7, 700 or 7000
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The capacity is increasing to over 10,000 soon isn't it?

Would certainly be worth Sisu staying there for 5 years plus.
 
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Otis said:
Would certainly be worth Sisu staying there for 5 years plus.
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Why?

the only reason they move in the first place isn't that it's a better deal elsewhere, it's so they can enact a better deal in Coventry.

Nothing about Northampton says the goal of the better deal in Coventry wouldn't always be the better option. If you buy the 'it's to distress ACL and pick up Ricoh cheap' line, then they have a capacity far in advance of Northampton. If you buy the 'they couldn't exist on average gates in excess of 10,000 in the Ricoh' then it's not going to change by going to Northampton and getting sellouts every week. If you buy the (horror of horrors) new stadium plan, then Northampton still is less viable than the income they'd get there.

There's nothing about Northampton that makes it a viable long term option, their whole argument is it's short term pain for long term gain... however you look at the rest of it. Bigger crowds don't effect that, it just means it's not quite as painful, a bit like offering a spot of cocodamol. Northampton will never be a long term long term option, the worst case is we move there for a bit, there is no long term gain on the horizon, so the club disappears. Increased gates won't effect that, as the whole plan requires the long term gain to be achievable.

Otherwise they may as well pull the plug whatever pain killers are being pumped into them, as it'll still hurt like hell.
 
Otis

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Why?

the only reason they move in the first place isn't that it's a better deal elsewhere, it's so they can enact a better deal in Coventry.

Nothing about Northampton says the goal of the better deal in Coventry wouldn't always be the better option. If you buy the 'it's to distress ACL and pick up Ricoh cheap' line, then they have a capacity far in advance of Northampton. If you buy the 'they couldn't exist on average gates in excess of 10,000 in the Ricoh' then it's not going to change by going to Northampton and getting sellouts every week. If you buy the (horror of horrors) new stadium plan, then Northampton still is less viable than the income they'd get there.

There's nothing about Northampton that makes it a viable long term option, their whole argument is it's short term pain for long term gain... however you look at the rest of it. Bigger crowds don't effect that, it just means it's not quite as painful, a bit like offering a spot of cocodamol. Northampton will never be a long term long term option, the worst case is we move there for a bit, there is no long term gain on the horizon, so the club disappears. Increased gates won't effect that, as the whole plan requires the long term gain to be achievable.

Otherwise they may as well pull the plug whatever pain killers are being pumped into them, as it'll still hurt like hell.
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Why? Because many of us believe they do not wish to build a new stadium and many also believe they have no intention of building a new stadium. If the whole idea is to make money and get out then they may well have found a good thing going on in Northampton.

If they could get 10,000 every week down there there would be no rush to come back. Surely getting 10,000 down there on this current groundshare deal would make it worth their while. The short term pain thing is based on the fact that they know hardly anyone will go.

As people have said, this is not how hedge funds work. This long haul malarkey. I do still find the whole thing bizarre.

I have no idea if or when we could come back, but these are hard nosed business people
 
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Otis said:
Why? Because many of us believe they do not wish to build a new stadium and many also believe they have no intention of building a new stadium. If the whole idea is to make money and get out then they may well have found a good thing going on in Northampton.
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But it isn;t a good thing going on in Northampton, whatever happens.

The only choices Northampton offers long term are bad, or very bad.

neither of which are what they're happy with.

northampton is only a means to an end, it isn't the ultimate goal.
 
GaryPendrysEyes

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SuperCov said:
This is where I don't understand the Not One Penny More [NOPM] campaign. Maybe I'm on my own here, but I can't see how starving SISU/CCFC will make our owners leave.

The whole purpose of a hedge fund is to take over a failing business, cut its losses and turn a profit in a relatively short space of time. They've done the cutting but have yet to return a profit. SISU as we have seen are a stubborn bunch and seem like they will only sell at the right price, I can't see them wanting to lose as much as they claim they've invested. So surely it would be better for people to keep on spending?
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Are you for real?
Sisu have made a complete hash of this investment (probably halved the value of the club through relegation and lost gates/sponsorship; got rid of all decent playing assets whilst increasing the debt to 70m!)
They are going to lose a shed load, that's what happens when you fail...
Sounds like you want a whip round for them from the fans!!
 
Otis

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But it isn;t a good thing going on in Northampton, whatever happens.

The only choices Northampton offers long term are bad, or very bad.

neither of which are what they're happy with.

northampton is only a means to an end, it isn't the ultimate goal.
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Yes, agree. But I am basing this whole argument upon this notion that we should all go to Northampton to support the team. We fill the stadium down there every game and surely that is a better situation for Sisu than the current one in place at the Ricoh. Unless of course we came back and had great success here.

I just wish I could believe in this idea of a new stadium. It just all sounds so fantastical.
 
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I just wish I could believe in this idea of a new stadium. It just all sounds so fantastical.
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I doubt many do believe in that, although it doesn't alter the general point if it's a rhetorical 'trick' or not. Northampton is not, and will not, ever be the long term solution whatever happens (in my opinion of course ;) ).

Of course if somehow the earth is first broken by Dave Bamber in a lavish ceremony, and the first breeze block gets laid by Julian Darby, I'll be the first to apologise in my lack of faith ;)
 
GaryPendrysEyes

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CCFC said:
I've suggested this before, the quickest way to get rid of them is to give them what they want. It has been made clear that they won't sell the club at such a low point so driving the club even lower will not solve anything
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Sorry fella that's just unbelievable!
Give this failing bunch and unethical cowboys 'what they want' and all will be ok? What sort of business and moral world is that?
Its hardly the Winston bulldog spirit either is it-- appeasement....
 
Otis

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italiahorse said:
You must be a newbie to this board. 7000 people voted with there feet. We aint going.
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Just basing on the call to arms of some fans. The people saying we should attend Sixfields.

If we did all did so and the club ended up with 10,000 go there every week then that has to suit the club and i just cannot see how this would encourage them to build another stadium here with all the costs involved and all the objections etc. And even if we did the talk has been of a 12,000-15,000 seater stadium anyway.
 
Houchens Head

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I went to Northampton once. Billing Aquadrome. Great day out! :D
 
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Otis said:
Just basing on the call to arms of some fans. The people saying we should attend Sixfields.

If we did all did so and the club ended up with 10,000 go there every week then that has to suit the club and i just cannot see how this would encourage them to build another stadium here with all the costs involved and all the objections etc. And even if we did the talk has been of a 12,000-15,000 seater stadium anyway.
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The talk among fans. may say that, our esteemed chief exec says 18,000 initial capacity with potential for more.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...n-groundshare-deal-with-coventry-8705173.html

Over double Northampton's current capacity.
 
Otis

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Yep, gathered it would be expandable.

Might be a better idea though to build a bigger stadium. Something say round the 32,000 mark. They could build it close to junction 3 of the M6 with good road and rail links.

Might even tag on a casino and shopping district.

Just an idea like.
 
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Every football club needs a Tesco after all, it isn't a football club without a Tesco.
 
torchomatic

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Johnnythespider said:
I wish tesco had bought the club, just imagine all those buy one player get one free offers.
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Not to mention the Clubcard points.

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