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Grendel

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  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #386
Brighton Sky Blue said:
What’s that got to do with the cost to the council?
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Er it’s no more cost to them?
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #387
They just turned up on my street now finally. My uncles been taking stuff to work anyway though to be fair so wasn’t that bad.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #388
Brighton Sky Blue said:
They aren’t paying their binmen that?
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No, they will be paying that on top of what they pay the employed bin men.

With the agency, they won't.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #389
hill83 said:
They just turned up on my street now finally. My uncles been taking stuff to work anyway though to be fair so wasn’t that bad.
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Making it tidy for the news cameras. Favourites.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #390
chiefdave said:
What's that all about? The council own a commercial waste company but its not the company that empties the bins. Guess the next suggestion will be privatising the service and guess who will get the contract.
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They have been recycling waste for the council for over 10 years. Its hardly a great conspiracy
 

Si80

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #391
Brighton Sky Blue said:
They aren’t paying their binmen that?
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That's not the money that the binman would see in his take home paypacket, no. But in terms of pension / reward for the permanent employee I imagine it would all balance out and the cost to the council be the same.

Edited to add - Idiots shouting at the guys stood taking the rubbish off you at the drop off points really are the worst.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #392
Si80 said:
That's not the money that the binman would see in his take home paypacket, no. But in terms of pension / reward for the permanent employee I imagine it would all balance out and the cost to the council be the same.
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Correct he doesn't seem to understand how contractors work
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #393
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #394
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #395
Oh dear that won't go down well with the unions - we need Red Len back
 

Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #396
What I have been saying for years on here about Coventry Labour. It is time for a clean out.
 
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Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #397
Why bother striking when the money is much better spent just doing a coordinated response against Coventry Labour seats who have no support in them. That will probably be most of them. It is time for the Unions to get more organized than they are at the moment.

There is power in numbers.
 

Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #398
For example, look at former council member for cluster munitions Damian Gannon.


No Damian, the only relationship it is going to break is the ones that say they are Labour members opposed to the ones that have Labour values.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #399
Philosorapter said:
For example, look at former council member for cluster munitions Damian Gannon.


No Damian, the only relationship it is going to break is the ones that say they are Labour members opposed to the ones that have Labour values.
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What a wanker that bloke is
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #400
Grendel said:
Oh dear that won't go down well with the unions - we need Red Len back
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Yes how dare workers engage in collectivised action
 
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ccfctommy

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  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #401
Scabs
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #402
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Yes how dare workers engage in collectivised action
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They can do that of course let’s see how it works out for them
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #403
Grendel said:
They can do that of course let’s see how it works out for them
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I mean clearly you're just anti-union
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #404
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I mean clearly you're just anti-union
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Well Let’s see if their members end up better off here shall we. Could be out of a job altogether if they aren’t careful
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #405
Grendel said:
Well Let’s see if their members end up better off here shall we. Could be out of a job altogether if they aren’t careful
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Confirmed. As it happens my local union has donated a few hundred quid to the strikers' fund
 
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LastGarrison

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 27, 2022
  • #406
The sour faces on my binmen today showed that they really aren’t happy.
 

Corrado

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 28, 2022
  • #407
hill83 said:
They just turned up on my street now finally. My uncles been taking stuff to work anyway though to be fair so wasn’t that bad.
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You must be one of the lucky streets in Earsldon - Clarendon Street wasn't collected - now have to wait another 2 weeks
 

duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 28, 2022
  • #408
There's a really obvious mistake here that people pretending to be in the know are making.

If you're paying for agency staff, then you are covering not only their pay rates, which are likely to be higher, but you also have to pay the agency that provides them a commission on top.

It's an expensive way to do business compared to employing people permanently, which is why it's typically used for short-term cover, or in this case by a Labour council to break a strike.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 28, 2022
  • #409
duffer said:
There's a really obvious mistake here that people pretending to be in the know are making.

If you're paying for agency staff, then you are covering not only their pay rates, which are likely to be higher, but you also have to pay the agency that provides them a commission on top.

It's an expensive way to do business compared to employing people permanently, which is why it's typically used for short-term cover, or in this case by a Labour council to break a strike.
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It is used for short term cover yes and not as some claim “they have to money to pay these wages”

Many companies do deliberately take this route though for many of their staff I knew someone in the same job for 10 years as a contractor
 
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duffer

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  • Jan 28, 2022
  • #410
Grendel said:
It is used for short term cover yes and not as some claim “they have to money to pay these wages”

Many companies do deliberately take this route though for many of their staff I knew someone in the same job for 10 years as a contractor
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Yep, that's not rare. I did ten years contracting, across two companies. Relatively expensive for them, but in IT it's not uncommon. Keeps the headcount down and comes out of a different budget.

As for the council not having enough money to pay the binmen, that's a choice rather than a fact.

The excuse they were originally hiding behind was the risk of equal pay claims. Unless there are a raft of HGV2 women drivers both working for the council and currently classed as unskilled, then that's up there alongside "ambushed by cake".
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 28, 2022
  • #411
ACAS involved , hopefully be over soon
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 31, 2022
  • #412
Nick said:
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Wasn't really paying attention so might have got this wrong but I think they've said on CWR that the company the council have engaged to carry out the bin collections aren't licensed or insured for kerbside collections. Would be about par for the course with the council if they've managed to screw something as basic as that up - sure I must has misheard as that would be a basic thing to check wouldn't it?
 

Saddlebrains

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 1, 2022
  • #413
Yea the tides turned now. Any support they had has long since fucked off.

The streets are a mess and people are rightly pissed off now. I was behind them.

Now i think just crack on lads accept defeat on this one, some people dont even have a job after covid
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 1, 2022
  • #414
Saddlebrains said:
Yea the tides turned now. Any support they had has long since fucked off.

The streets are a mess and people are rightly pissed off now. I was behind them.

Now i think just crack on lads accept defeat on this one, some people dont even have a job after covid
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Speak for yourself, I'm 100 percent behind them.
Took mine and my neighbours rubbish up to Hearsall common, took 10 minutes.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 1, 2022
  • #415
clint van damme said:
Speak for yourself, I'm 100 percent behind them.
Took mine and my neighbours rubbish up to Hearsall common, took 10 minutes.
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Not an advert for needing them being paid more!
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 1, 2022
  • #416
Grendel said:
Not an advert for needing them being paid more!
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Well it is because tjeres an army of people overseeing the operation and a driver, who's probably agency and on considerably more, ends up driving the lorry away anyway!
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 3, 2022
  • #417
Not sure about the video with the stories that people have kids and hefty mortgages. I'm not sure that bit of PR has done them any favours.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 3, 2022
  • #418
Nick said:
Not sure about the video with the stories that people have kids and hefty mortgages. I'm not sure that bit of PR has done them any favours.
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What point are you making here?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 3, 2022
  • #419
fernandopartridge said:
What point are you making here?
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That the video they put out hasn't really done them any favours.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 3, 2022
  • #420
Nick said:
That the video they put out hasn't really done them any favours.
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Why?
 
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