Transfer Rumour Bids for Chaplin (1 Viewer)

Evo1883 · Jul 19, 2019

fernandopartridge said:
Confirmed by Barnsley now: Conor Chaplin Signs With The Reds!

I'm putting out on record my view that this is a bad move for us, and stuff about 'profit' is nonsense.

I think the opposite, however I'm always happy to be proved wrong, I hope he does fantastic I just can't see it

Hiwula a better footballer, get another striker in and I think we are good

fernandopartridge · Jul 19, 2019

Evo1883 said:
Out of curiosity because I can't judge by your reply, what standard is the SPL in your eyes in comparison to England

Rangers and Celtic are top half Championship / Premier League yo-yo level, perhaps Celtic are a PL team actually, rest of the league bottom half Championship. Certainly better than League 1.

fernandopartridge · Jul 19, 2019

Evo1883 said:
I think the opposite, however I'm always happy to be proved wrong, I hope he does fantastic I just can't see it

It isn't just what he does, it's what we replace him with.

Evo1883 · Jul 19, 2019

fernandopartridge said:
Rangers and Celtic are top half Championship / Premier League yo-yo level, perhaps Celtic are a PL team actually, rest of the league bottom half Championship. Certainly better than League 1.

Not sure I agree, kilmarnock were knocked out of Europe yesterday over 2 legs by Connor Quay of Wales, a team that would sit at around the level of Leamington maybe lower, they finished 3rd in the SPL

SkyBlueCRJ · Jul 19, 2019

fernandopartridge said:
Confirmed by Barnsley now: Conor Chaplin Signs With The Reds!

I'm putting out on record my view that this is a bad move for us, and stuff about 'profit' is nonsense.

My worry is, if the Walker on a permanent move is legitimate, is he going to be any better than Chaplin or more importantly will he fit in the system? I don't think he played up top on his own for Mansfield so I hope it's not going to be another case of a square peg in a round hole.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jul 19, 2019

Good luck to the lad. Wasn't working out for him last season and didn't look like we were going to play to his strengths this year either. To have apparently made a profit on him is decent business.

Even if he goes onto success at Barnsley it still doesn't mean we didn't do the correct thing - there were no guarantees he was going to do the same here,

I had a quick glimpse on the lowdown of Walker on the CT (for what that's worth) and a lot of what is said is very similar to what we heard about Chaplin last year and he works best in a partnership rather than a lone front man.

Evo1883 · Jul 19, 2019

fernandopartridge said:
It isn't just what he does, it's what we replace him with.

We will get somebody in I'm sure

cooperskyblue · Jul 19, 2019

I just hope we have our replacement lined up and ready to go otherwise it will be the McNulty saga all over again where we just let our player leave and spend the rest of the window chasing the replacement. I had hope and still hope we have learnt from last year and we can confirm an incoming very soon.

mark82 · Jul 19, 2019

fernandopartridge said:
It isn't just what he does, it's what we replace him with.

I'm okay with the transfer, as long as we have a replacement. If Robins had someone else in mind to lead the line this year then it makes sense, but only if the money is used to improve the team.

I like Chaplin and feel he has bags of potential. Strongly felt he'd come good this year. It's done now though.

RoboCCFC90 · Jul 19, 2019

fernandopartridge said:
Confirmed by Barnsley now: Conor Chaplin Signs With The Reds!

I'm putting out on record my view that this is a bad move for us, and stuff about 'profit' is nonsense.

It's nonsense to get profit for a player that failed to live up to the billing mostly, but also now gives us the opportunity to pursue players that we know will have an instant impact and enhance the squad?

Not sure I agree with you FP.

You could say that MR changing his style of play possibly didn't help Chaplin, but at the same time Chaplin had some shockers throughout last season.

Evo1883 · Jul 19, 2019

mark82 said:
I'm okay with the transfer, as long as we have a replacement. If Robins had someone else in mind to lead the line this year then it makes sense, but only if the money is used to improve the team.

I like Chaplin and feel he has bags of potential. Strongly felt he'd come good this year. It's done now though.

We have 3 strikers and look like we will be playing 433 /4231.why are people panicking about strikers, especially after letting one go who is no better than what we already have? Seems a bit bizarre

mark82 · Jul 19, 2019

cooperskyblue said:
I just hope we have our replacement lined up and ready to go otherwise it will be the McNulty saga all over again where we just let our player leave and spend the rest of the window chasing the replacement. I had hope and still hope we have learnt from last year and we can confirm an incoming very soon.

Hopefully they've learnt from that mistake.

Grendel · Jul 19, 2019

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Good luck to the lad. Wasn't working out for him last season and didn't look like we were going to play to his strengths this year either. To have apparently made a profit on him is decent business.

Even if he goes onto success at Barnsley it still doesn't mean we didn't do the correct thing - there were no guarantees he was going to do the same here,

I had a quick glimpse on the lowdown of Walker on the CT (for what that's worth) and a lot of what is said is very similar to what we heard about Chaplin last year and he works best in a partnership rather than a lone front man.

In what way didn’t it work out? He was injured for a while and often used as a late sub . He only started 20 or so games.

I doubt a championship club would be looking to spend a million on the strikers we are left with

SKYBLUES90 · Jul 19, 2019

Asked about how the Chaplin deal unfolded, the City boss told CoventryLive: "Conor wanted to go.

"He came and asked me to leave and that's something he wanted to do.

Interesting that Chaplin asked to leave, all in all I think it’s good business, doubling are money on what we paid for him.

For me he never really looked like he suited our formation, frustrated me how deep he would come collect the ball and be no where near the box when the ball was in the final third. Wish him well and hope he does well at Barnsley but will be more than happy if we replace him with walker from forest

Evo1883 · Jul 19, 2019

Grendel said:
In what way didn’t it work out? He was injured for a while and often used as a late sub . He only started 20 or so games.

I doubt a championship club would be looking to spend a million on the strikers we are left with

You don't think hiwula is a better player? I think he is

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jul 19, 2019

fernandopartridge said:
Confirmed by Barnsley now: Conor Chaplin Signs With The Reds!

I'm putting out on record my view that this is a bad move for us, and stuff about 'profit' is nonsense.

As I've said, even if he's successful at Barnsley that's no guarantee he was going to be successful here. I just didn't see how MR was going to fit him into any of his preferred systems be it 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1. Plus if we've got a sell-on clause and Barnsley find a way to get more from him then even better as we'd still potentially benefit from his improvement.

shmmeee · Jul 19, 2019

Do we think Max’s injury was the turning point? Would Robins have stuck with 442 like the end of the season before and played Chaplin up front?

fernandopartridge · Jul 19, 2019

RoboCCFC90 said:
It's nonsense to get profit for a player that failed to live up to the billing mostly, but also now gives us the opportunity to pursue players that we know will have an instant impact and enhance the squad?

Not sure I agree with you FP.

You could say that MR changing his style of play possibly didn't help Chaplin, but at the same time Chaplin had some shockers throughout last season.

We have no idea if there is any profit and what will actually happen with that profit. Considering we're embarking on a season in Birmingham with the reduced income that brings, I wouldn't be surprised if the profit (if there even is some) will help to shore up the club's running costs rather than be reinvested in players.

Your first paragraph is contradictory really - Chaplin was expected to have an instant impact and enhance the squad remember. No guarantees that anybody else could.

I don't really understand why anybody is hanging on to this "He doesn't fit with our style of play" stuff - Robins has said this summer that he wants to develop other ways of playing as well as his current favoured way.

RoboCCFC90 · Jul 19, 2019

Evo1883 said:
You don't think hiwula is a better player? I think he is

Hiwula: 43 Apps, 13 Goals
Chaplin: 32 Apps, 8 Goals

Chaplin could've had so many more, the shocker at Charlton, the miss against Blackpool at home - just to name two.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Jul 19, 2019

Grendel said:
In what way didn’t it work out? He was injured for a while and often used as a late sub . He only started 20 or so games.

I doubt a championship club would be looking to spend a million on the strikers we are left with

He was brought in to score goals - he didn't do that regularly enough.

He missed chances.
We were told he was a quick striker - he certainly didn't look quick.
We were told he was a poacher but he kept dropping deep to get the ball rather than get in the area.
He's short and not physically well built so won few headers and got knocked off the ball.
We were told he works best in a partnership with a big forward but didn't play that formation.

He was last years marquee signing and was given a lot longer than most to stake his claim in terms of starts and gametime when others who'd performed like that would've been hooked. He ended up coming off the bench because he hadn't justified his starting spot.

Evo1883 · Jul 19, 2019

RoboCCFC90 said:
Hiwula: 43 Apps, 13 Goals
Chaplin: 32 Apps, 8 Goals

Chaplin could've had so many more, the shocker at Charlton, the miss against Blackpool at home - just to name two.

Hiwula played out wide Alot through the season too and has a better ratio despite that

usskyblue · Jul 19, 2019

Has anyone considered that he would have wanted to go, and denying him the move would leave us with an (at best) demotivated player ?
Allowing him to leave, at a price that’s agreeable to both parties makes sense.

Let’s move on yeah ?

RoboCCFC90 · Jul 19, 2019

fernandopartridge said:
We have no idea if there is any profit and what will actually happen with that profit. Considering we're embarking on a season in Birmingham with the reduced income that brings, I wouldn't be surprised if the profit (if there even is some) will help to shore up the club's running costs rather than be reinvested in players.

Your first paragraph is contradictory really - Chaplin was expected to have an instant impact and enhance the squad remember. No guarantees that anybody else could.

I don't really understand why anybody is hanging on to this "He doesn't fit with our style of play" stuff - Robins has said this summer that he wants to develop other ways of playing as well as his current favoured way.

MR has stated SISU are plugging the gap and will fund the short fall, so that blows your theory out of the water.

Chaplin was expected to be a replacement for McNulty and simply didn't live up to that billing. If we had a spot for a number 10 and the choice was Chaplin or Bright everyone would pick Bright because his qualities enhance the squad, Chaplin doesn't have that same quality.

This is a good deal for the Club and allows us to go after a player that will enhance the team.

SKYBLUES90 · Jul 19, 2019

usskyblue said:
Has anyone considered that he would have wanted to go, and denying him the move would leave us with an (at best) demotivated player ?
Allowing him to leave, at a price that’s agreeable to both parties makes sense.

Let’s move on yeah ?

Robins has stated that Chaplin asked to move.

larry_david · Jul 19, 2019

Great opportunity for him tbf. Barnsley will struggle to stay up but if he gets 10+ and they do stay up, then the bigger clubs get interested. It's a shame we never saw anywhere near the best of him but if he wanted to go and the deal suits us in everyway, then it works for all parties.

fernandopartridge · Jul 19, 2019

RoboCCFC90 said:
MR has stated SISU are plugging the gap and will fund the short fall, so that blows your theory out of the water.

Chaplin was expected to be a replacement for McNulty and simply didn't live up to that billing. If we had a spot for a number 10 and the choice was Chaplin or Bright everyone would pick Bright because his qualities enhance the squad, Chaplin doesn't have that same quality.

This is a good deal for the Club and allows us to go after a player that will enhance the team.

It doesn't really, the shortfall is the gap between expenditure and earnings, Chaplin's sale is earnings.

Great_Expectations · Jul 19, 2019

Before we start worrying about his departure leaving us with a depleted strike force, let’s give MR some time to bring someone in. He also said he wouldn’t let him go without a replacement, so let’s trust that’s the truth.

Plus, let’s also remember it’s unlikely he would have been starting anyway.

As I said in my previous post, if the rumours are true re Walker, that’s a reason to be excited. He is young with potential, which equals out the Chaplin ‘potential’ argument, and he’d be coming in full of confidence after a good season last year.

Chaplin didn’t work for us, and even with MR’s plan to have severa different formations, it looks as though they are 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1, neither of which suit Chaplin.

He was poor for us, we didn’t see the best of him for whatever reason, but I’m more excited to see who MR brings in that disappointed he’s gone.

hill83 · Jul 19, 2019

Great_Expectations said:
let’s give MR some time to bring someone in.

NO!

RoboCCFC90 · Jul 19, 2019

fernandopartridge said:
It doesn't really, the shortfall is the gap between expenditure and earnings, Chaplin's sale is earnings.

Incorrect, the quote directly from Robins states that the funding (shortfall) from the owners will be to cover the budget for this season.

All money he gets from player sales adds to his budget.

Otis · Jul 19, 2019

vow said:
Totally disagree, his movement, spacial sense and positional sense were excellent!
It was the likes of Thomas and to an extent Bright also that took wrong decisions to find him eg. taking an extra touch, not passing/crossing and shooting (especially Thomas) at the wrong time, unfortunately.

Yep. Well wide of the mark that. His positional play over all I would say is very good.

And 3. Lack of confidence I would say, or trying too hard.

Otis · Jul 19, 2019

Mr Panda said:
I know you have your doubts, but I'm not going take the bait. Feel free to look back on some of the rumours I created during my time here.

Pandas are too slow to go for bait anyway aren't they?

better days · Jul 19, 2019

usskyblue said:
Has anyone considered that he would have wanted to go, and denying him the move would leave us with an (at best) demotivated player ?
Allowing him to leave, at a price that’s agreeable to both parties makes sense.

Let’s move on yeah ?

I suspect Chaplin's agent told him of the interest from a Championship club and his likely level of signing on fee and wages
The signing on fees for established players moving to Championship clubs are surprisingly high
Also wages in the Champ are 3 or 4 times what they are in League 1
Add in the fact that Chaplin probably wouldn't have been an automatic starter for us next season and you can see why the lad was open to a move

Manchester_sky_blue · Jul 19, 2019

Little point in arguing about whether it's good business or not. As a club we haven't been in a position to turn down (reasonable) bids for any of our players for a long time. As soon as Barnsley made it clear they wanted him he was always going to go. It's frustrating but that's the reality

SkyBlueCRJ · Jul 19, 2019

Chaplin's levels of shithousary here will forever go down in history.

MatthewWallis · Jul 19, 2019

Just hope we don't take ages again to sign someone. We need someone in ideally next week at the latest and not the last week in August

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