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Greggs

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  • Jun 4, 2021
  • #561
Philosorapter said:
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Without sounding like a broken record, but do these fancy videos put any emphasis on leadership, communication and organisation? All very important attributes for a modern DMC
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jun 4, 2021
  • #562
Greggs said:
Without sounding like a broken record, but do these fancy videos put any emphasis on leadership, communication and organisation? All very important attributes for a modern DMC
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You been playing FM Greggs?
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jun 4, 2021
  • #563
Philosorapter said:
Have a look at this

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Evo1883

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  • Jun 4, 2021
  • #564
Philosorapter said:
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You don't need to watch the match .. you can just watch this in real time and judge the matches completely by In play stats. Is this where footy is going...mind you the game is gradually becoming more boring at the top , players like robots etc .
 
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wingy

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  • Jun 4, 2021
  • #565
Evo1883 said:
You don't need to watch the match .. you can just watch this in real time and judge the matches completely by In play stats. Is this where footy is going...mind you the game is gradually becoming more boring at the top , players like robots etc .
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Think of it like the old Time And Motion study .
 
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wingy

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  • Jun 4, 2021
  • #566
Philosorapter said:
Have a look at this

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Delia Derbyshire would be fascinated.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Jun 4, 2021
  • #567
Greggs said:
Without sounding like a broken record, but do these fancy videos put any emphasis on leadership, communication and organisation? All very important attributes for a modern DMC
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Not essential for a DMC alone, McFadzean offers these.

Evo1883 said:
You don't need to watch the match .. you can just watch this in real time and judge the matches completely by In play stats. Is this where footy is going...mind you the game is gradually becoming more boring at the top , players like robots etc .
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not entirely, watch or read Moneyball. The idea is to find players who are undervalued by traditional scouting methods.

more recently the the xG stat has become more prominent.

Actually an interesting concept that will benefit the have nots in the coming years
 

Greggs

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  • Jun 4, 2021
  • #568
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Not essential for a DMC alone, McFadzean offers these.


not entirely, watch or read Moneyball. The idea is to find players who are undervalued by traditional scouting methods.

more recently the the xG stat has become more prominent.

Actually an interesting concept that will benefit the have nots in the coming years
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Fucking nerd. Give it a rest. So we only need one player with these attributes? What happened to having a spine to the team. Fucking stat nerd who has never ever played the game, or a decent level troll?!
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Jun 4, 2021
  • #569
Greggs said:
Fucking nerd. Give it a rest. So we only need one player with these attributes? What happened to having a spine to the team. Fucking stat nerd who has never ever played the game, or a decent level troll?!
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Don’t know how you’ve done it but you’ve edited the post so it looks like I’ve posted it
 
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wingy

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  • Jun 4, 2021
  • #570
Evo1883 said:
You don't need to watch the match .. you can just watch this in real time and judge the matches completely by In play stats. Is this where footy is going...mind you the game is gradually becoming more boring at the top , players like robots etc .
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Most likely.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 4, 2021
  • #571
The most important attributes for a DMC are

Concentration
Understanding of the game
Nous
Tenacity
 

SBAndy

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  • Jun 4, 2021
  • #572
Greggs said:
Don’t know how you’ve done it but you’ve edited the post so it looks like I’ve posted it
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Not difficult.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Jun 4, 2021
  • #573
Greggs said:
Fucking nerd. Give it a rest. So we only need one player with these attributes? What happened to having a spine to the team. Fucking stat nerd who has never ever played the game, or a decent level troll?!
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Fuck off back to 1970 you c**t, the game has evolved. Just because you don’t understand the modern game - doesn’t mean we don’t.

our whole recruitment team is based on this, and thank fuck - we’d be stuck with the likes of Doyle and Biamou
 
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skyblue025

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  • Jun 5, 2021
  • #574
fernandopartridge said:
The most important attributes for a DMC are

Concentration
Understanding of the game
Nous
Tenacity
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You forgot Shithousery. A definite must in a modern Dmf.
 
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Greggs

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  • Jun 5, 2021
  • #575
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Fuck off back to 1970 you c**t, the game has evolved. Just because you don’t understand the modern game - doesn’t mean we don’t.

our whole recruitment team is based on this, and thank fuck - we’d be stuck with the likes of Doyle and Biamou
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Utter c**t. Bet you're fun at parties!
 

Greggs

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  • Jun 5, 2021
  • #576
fernandopartridge said:
The most important attributes for a DMC are

Concentration
Understanding of the game
Nous
Tenacity
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NO THE ANSWER IS COMPUTER DATA AND STATS! YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE MODERN GAME!!!
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 5, 2021
  • #577
Scoreboard: Coventry 1 - 0 Birmingham

@Greggs: “Fuck off with your computer stats you neeeerrrd!!!”
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 5, 2021
  • #578
He’s right though. Not all that counts can be counted and not everything that can be counted counts.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 5, 2021
  • #579
shmmeee said:
He’s right though. Not all that counts can be counted and not everything that can be counted counts.
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Great quote
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Jun 5, 2021
  • #580
 
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wingy

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  • Jun 5, 2021
  • #581
shmmeee said:
He’s right though. Not all that counts can be counted and not everything that can be counted counts.
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Agreed but I would suggest that the stats do possibly pick up the qualities needed/required , just without directly being measured .
I mean for those with high levels in measurements those qualities must be part of what manifests itself?
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 5, 2021
  • #582
wingy said:
Agreed but I would suggest that the stats do possibly pick up the qualities needed/required , just without directly being measured .
I mean for those with high levels in measurements those qualities must be part of what manifests itself?
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Yeah they’re useful for identifying things to look at you might otherwise miss, but ultimately you’re still looking for the same things.
 

Hutch11

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  • Jun 6, 2021
  • #583
What happened to:-
Can he pass
Can he run
Can he head it
Can he shoot
Can he tackle
 

Frostie

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  • Jun 6, 2021
  • #584
Hutch11 said:
What happened to:-
Can he pass
Can he run
Can he head it
Can he shoot
Can he tackle
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Not necessary. All about does he smile nowadays.
 
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skysblue

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  • Jun 6, 2021
  • #585
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
As pointed out, we’re a data driven side. It’s the method behind our recruitment max

Did you know Sheaf lost the ball less than James and Kelly - 3 times less per game.

he also recovered the ball more than both of them.

the statistical method also sees Barnsley doing alright and Brentford
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Its not about how many times the ball was lost it was where it was lost, we conceded goals when Sheaf lost the ball. He was poor best with out.
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Jun 6, 2021
  • #586
shmmeee said:
He’s right though. Not all that counts can be counted and not everything that can be counted counts.
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Torquay Sky Blue

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  • Jun 6, 2021
  • #587
Frostie said:
Not necessary. All about does he smile nowadays.
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And can he fall over correctly when someone lightly brushes past him
 
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cc84cov

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  • Jun 6, 2021
  • #588
Frostie said:
Not necessary. All about does he smile nowadays.
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Sheaf only smiles when he’s at home making scones
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 6, 2021
  • #589
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shmmeee said:
He’s right though. Not all that counts can be counted and not everything that can be counted counts.
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 6, 2021
  • #590
Brighton Sky Blue said:
UN
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Come back to me after Ofsted visit and tell me your unwavering belief in purely quantitative methods.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 6, 2021
  • #591
shmmeee said:
Come back to me after Ofsted visit and tell me your unwavering belief in purely quantitative methods.
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I am hopefully doing some action research into just that next year.
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Jun 6, 2021
  • #592
I think it's obvious you need to base your ideas around something that is going to measure positional play as well as combinational play.

Everything else is property of what's being measured or in the realms of subjectivity.

Never been a big fan of xG either by the way.
 
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COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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  • Jun 6, 2021
  • #593
Hutch11 said:
What happened to:-
Can he pass
Can he run
Can he head it
Can he shoot
Can he tackle
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Can he play at wingback
Can he play at centre half
Can he play at centre midfield
Can he play at centre forward
Can he play anywhere.
 

BornSlippySkyBlue

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  • Jun 7, 2021
  • #594
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
Can he play at wingback
Can he play at centre half
Can he play at centre midfield
Can he play at centre forward
Can he play anywhere.
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Only Dabo can do that.
 
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Monty

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  • Jun 7, 2021
  • #595
BornSlippySkyBlue said:
Only Dabo can do that.
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But Gareth Southgate only cares if you can play right back
 
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