You're proving my point here. We don't know it's the full £750k. Show me a source that specifically states we're paying £750k in full. How do we know it's not a deal worth up to £750k? Equally, I've not discussed other budgets for other seasons my core issue is with people continuously spouting nonsense about Sheaf taking up this year's budget.
I've not said it was, I was spitballing examples of add-ons. It's not uncommon for Premier League clubs to attach sell-on clauses to their youth players who they've moved on for a fee. Albeit different positions but for instance Newcastle reportedly had a significant sell-on clause for Ivan Toney. Just because they're a Premier League club that doesn't mean they're automatically willing to lose out on revenue - certainly not a club Arsenal who's run by one of the shrewdest owners in the Premier League and certainly not in this current climate.
Because, whatever the deal, it will be taking up some of this years budget. If the Hamer deal was structured the same way, then he’ll be taking up some of this years budget too.
If it’s £750k including performance add ons, then it’s still £750k. The add ons aren’t going to be ridiculous. In terms of sell on, that can’t be included in the £750k for obvious reasons.
My understanding is that we had no obligation to buy if we got relegatedPotentially a very expensive player for league 1
My understanding is that we had no obligation to buy if we got relegated
Its just shorthand isn't it? Nobody things the entire cost of a player is handed over by Robins in used notes at a service station but its all relative.
If we sell a player for £1m and buy a player for £2m (wishful thinking!) it may not all be up front but it will be vaguely proportionate.
We don't need people to put a qualifying statement every time they mention a fee do we?
I mean if we're buying him for potential - 750k is a lot to lump out on a player - considering we need a keeper, centre half, left back and a goalscorer. I suppose he'll be ok in league 1 2022/23 season.My understanding is that we had no obligation to buy if we got relegated
i wish they’d go back to just saying “undisclosed fee”, would save hours totting figures up and then arguing about it
2bf all our fees are undisclosed, the 750k is speculation.i wish they’d go back to just saying “undisclosed fee”, would save hours totting figures up and then arguing about it
So we should only sign players that we think would be suitable if we get relegated? Seems a good way to ensure relegation to me. Also if he does indeed improve we will be able to sell him at a profit if we were to be relegated.I mean if we're buying him for potential - 750k is a lot to lump out on a player - considering we need a keeper, centre half, left back and a goalscorer. I suppose he'll be ok in league 1 2022/23 season.
Definitely not, I despise undisclosed fees
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But again, we’re buying for ability now. Sheaf was a good player last year.I mean if we're buying him for potential - 750k is a lot to lump out on a player - considering we need a keeper, centre half, left back and a goalscorer. I suppose he'll be ok in league 1 2022/23 season.
This fee is undisclosed, the £750k is an unsubstantiated rumourDefinitely not, I despise undisclosed fees
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Exactly. Weird argument really - we accept that all incoming deals are likely structured over a period of time but so are sales...so it’s likely they balance outIts just shorthand isn't it? Nobody things the entire cost of a player is handed over by Robins in used notes at a service station but its all relative.
If we sell a player for £1m and buy a player for £2m (wishful thinking!) it may not all be up front but it will be vaguely proportionate.
We don't need people to put a qualifying statement every time they mention a fee do we?
You mean Badlan hasn't got a database just containing players with the best smiles in European football?But again, we’re buying for ability now. Sheaf was a good player last year.
we’re a data driven side. The club looks for different metrics than the average fan
Don’t think we’ve ever had that database in place. Rumour has it Pressley took it with him when he left, and Mowbray was complaining about the lack of Smile recruitment team at the clubYou mean Badlan hasn't got a database just containing players with the best smiles in European football?
That wasn't my point. We should only be spending big lumps of cash on players that can make us a stronger 11 in thre Championship, not players that won't get in the side. If we spunk our budget on players like sheaf, we will be a league one side again in the near futureSo we should only sign players that we think would be suitable if we get relegated? Seems a good way to ensure relegation to me. Also if he does indeed improve we will be able to sell him at a profit if we were to be relegated.
We were only a decent side when we had Kelly and James in those two slots. Sheaf doesnt fit for meBut again, we’re buying for ability now. Sheaf was a good player last year.
we’re a data driven side. The club looks for different metrics than the average fan
You are getting this database mixed up with his dulux style piss colour chart/database.Don’t think we’ve ever had that database in place. Rumour has it Pressley took it with him when he left, and Mowbray was complaining about the lack of Smile recruitment team at the club
We went 1 defeat in 10 in our best run of form - Sheaf played in all but 2 of them.We were only a decent side when we had Kelly and James in those two slots. Sheaf doesnt fit for me
two freebees on a decent wagePut it into context, a player of Hamer’s ability cost 1.5 million. 750k is a drop in the ocean for the player we’re getting.
we’re a stats driven team, like Brentford - his stats put him favourably to Hamer and James. I have no idea what players think We’re going to get for 750k.
Do stats pick up on leadership, communication and organisation?We went 1 defeat in 10 in our best run of form - Sheaf played in all but 2 of them.
like I said, we’re a stats based side, statistically Sheaf was every bit as good as James.
1. He will get into the sideThat wasn't my point. We should only be spending big lumps of cash on players that can make us a stronger 11 in thre Championship, not players that won't get in the side. If we spunk our budget on players like sheaf, we will be a league one side again in the near future
We need to strengthen short term though mate!?1. He will get into the side
2. Crazy to say you only spend money on players whose impact will be short term. Often the best buys are players with the potential to become far better over a longer period.
We were only a decent side when we had Kelly and James in those two slots. Sheaf doesnt fit for me
But did we look more defensively sound and organised with those 2 in the side. If we wouldn't have signed James we'd have gone downWe only won 4 games when Kelly & James started together.
But did we look more defensively sound and organised with those 2 in the side. If we wouldn't have signed James we'd have gone down
They don’t but you don’t keep your place on leadership, organisation and communication or we’d have kept Doyle. We’ve also got McFadzean to organisetwo freebees on a decent wage
Do stats pick up on leadership, communication and organisation?
we conceded less in those 11 games I talked about then we did with James and KellyBut did we look more defensively sound and organised with those 2 in the side. If we wouldn't have signed James we'd have gone down
please list the sides that we played during this run. Thank youThey don’t but you don’t keep your place on leadership, organisation and communication or we’d have kept Doyle. We’ve also got McFadzean to organise
you talk about “2 freebees on a decent wage” but that’s how the club used to act. Sheaf has value and was a better player than Kelly. If we sign James him and Sheaf will be fine.
we conceded less in those 11 games I talked about then we did with James and Kelly
Birmingham, Norwich, Cardiff, Wycombe, Derby , Huddersfield, Luton , Rotherham, Stoke.please list the sides that we played during this run. Thank you
i'm just suggesting our form was a bit better as we were playing against mostly the weaker sides of the division.. Not rocket science mate. Come on!?!Birmingham, Norwich, Cardiff, Wycombe, Derby , Huddersfield, Luton , Rotherham, Stoke.
but what’s your point? Kept clean sheets against Huddersfield, Luton, Cardiff and Birmingham. Only conceded against Norwich due to a pen. Same with Wycombe and Rotherham
you're bigging up perfomances against 2 sides that went down, and one that had a team full of kids.Birmingham, Norwich, Cardiff, Wycombe, Derby , Huddersfield, Luton , Rotherham, Stoke.
but what’s your point? Kept clean sheets against Huddersfield, Luton, Cardiff and Birmingham. Only conceded against Norwich due to a pen. Same with Wycombe and Rotherham
Ok Sheffield Weds aswell, sorry about that. Why would the relegated teams matter? Again I’ve told you we’re a statistics based team. Sheaf is a better player than Kelly and matches up with James.you're bigging up perfomances against 2 sides that went down, and one that had a team full of kids.
Also noted that you miss out the 3rd team relegated, we lost 1-0 and sheaf started. Very weak
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