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Nick

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  • Oct 6, 2024
  • #141
Warwickhunt said:
I think you answered it! It's because he gobs off at his team mates which may be unsettling so Robbings is trying to keep his feet firmly on the ground IMHO
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Maybe it was deserved?
 

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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  • Oct 6, 2024
  • #142
Warwickhunt said:
I think you answered it! It's because he gobs off at his team mates which may be unsettling so Robbings is trying to keep his feet firmly on the ground IMHO
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All it needs is a quiet word in his ear, "why bite your nose off to spite your face" by not playing him
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 6, 2024
  • #143
fernandopartridge said:
If @HuckerbyDublinWhelan is right about the role of CMR then it seems that's right, the club is just a vehicle to appreciate assets. It seems to have forgotten that in the meantime it needs to win football matches.
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That’s exactly what we are - but I don’t think it’s isolated to just us. As you’ve said though. We primarily need to win football matches.

it’s all well and good developing players to reach their potential. But you need to supplement that with players who know how to win
 

Warwickhunt

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  • Oct 6, 2024
  • #144
Nick said:
Maybe it was deserved?
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Possibly but Robbins is old school methinks! Or is that our main problem?
 

Warwickhunt

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  • Oct 6, 2024
  • #145
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
All it needs is a quiet word in his ear, "why bite your nose off to spite your face" by not playing him
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The probably did and Bassette may have not liked it? Robbins being what he is an all that!
 
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Macca1987

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  • Oct 7, 2024
  • #146
clint van damme said:
We should be doing better. I'm convinced if he thrown a fresh CM on yesterday for last 15 we get a point.
Impossible to know for sure but I think that was an error on his behalf.
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Agree completely, not just about the point though. Sheaf and Eccles both on yellows, so afraid to go in hard on the tackle, Sheaf losing the ball at the end cost us the goal, if he's not on a yellow he would have took the player down. A fresh CM would hopefully have taken a yellow for the team
 
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skybluecam

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  • Oct 7, 2024
  • #147
Diogenes said:
What's going on with this guy?

Came in, showed pace, aggression, wasn't afraid to get stuck in and now he's been bombed out yet Simms and Wright are getting game time?

His biggest crime seems to be getting a bit gobby. Not saying he would, but he would have given us a different option yesterday vs the ineffective Simms.

For whatever reason he's on Robins "not to be trusted" list.
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…there’s nothing “going on”?

He’s 19 with barely any professional experience, and none at this level. He looked good vs spurs and that’s about it. Let’s remember he’s not actually scored a goal yet.
 
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alexccfc99

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  • Oct 7, 2024
  • #148
Poor kid probably would have come in, not scored and have been labelled a waste of money or a League 1 player anyway

Our fans do not give our players much time to hit the ground running until they come to the conclusion they are shit so why would Bassette be any different
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 7, 2024
  • #149
alexccfc99 said:
Poor kid probably would have come in, not scored and have been labelled a waste of money or a League 1 player anyway

Our fans do not give our players much time to hit the ground running until they come to the conclusion they are shit so why would Bassette be any different
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But the owner has omitted to supply the midfielder we required even a stop gap and is prepared to tear up everything that was in place to achieve that, so the principle becomes set and the managers off, so give him the package and move him on. Up or out of the way!
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Oct 7, 2024
  • #150
alexccfc99 said:
Poor kid probably would have come in, not scored and have been labelled a waste of money or a League 1 player anyway

Our fans do not give our players much time to hit the ground running until they come to the conclusion they are shit so why would Bassette be any different
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He shares similarities with Gyokeres and has a lot of energy on the ball with appeals to many fans.

He played v well against Spurs but in his league appearances, has looked raw and not quite ready to be a regular starter. It’s a bit much when you have people claiming he should be starting ahead of Simms for example.

Bassette will be a fine player in the next couple of years, he needs to be eased in.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Oct 7, 2024
  • #151
Diogenes said:
What's going on with this guy?

Came in, showed pace, aggression, wasn't afraid to get stuck in and now he's been bombed out yet Simms and Wright are getting game time?

His biggest crime seems to be getting a bit gobby. Not saying he would, but he would have given us a different option yesterday vs the ineffective Simms.

For whatever reason he's on Robins "not to be trusted" list.
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That would be valid if he didn’t have good depth at ST. The front 3 on Saturday after EMC came off had a combined total of 46 goals last season. The primary issue we have is that we did not fashion one clear cut chance for one of them.

It’s not so bad calling out strikers if they’re missing big chances - which happened last season. The more concerning thing is that we’ve got all this talent and not providing them any chances.

It’s not that he doesn’t trust Bassette, he just trust the more senior Simms and BTA - which is to be expected.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Oct 7, 2024
  • #152
wingy said:
But the owner has omitted to supply the midfielder we required even a stop gap and is prepared to tear up everything that was in place to achieve that, so the principle becomes set and the managers off, so give him the package and move him on. Up or out of the way!
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That’s not true though is it? The money was fronted for Stamenic in a deal worth £4 million or so and that deal cost us signing Alan Browne because he felt jilted.

What good would a stopgap signing like Matty James do for us? By the time he’s 100% match fit, it’ll probably be close to January anyway. To use Saturday as an example, how does he change the game being brought on as a sub compared to Torp? Probably not much and he’s not starting over Sheaf or Eccles. So whilst I was in favour of signing him, I understand why King would veto the transfer. It’s relatively expensive and doesn’t add a whole lot of value to the match day team.

The message to MR was probably something along the lines of ‘make do until January’ and given that Eccles and Sheaf should be good enough to get us to then.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 7, 2024
  • #153
Mucca Mad Boys said:
That’s not true though is it? The money was fronted for Stamenic in a deal worth £4 million or so and that deal cost us signing Alan Browne because he felt jilted.

What good would a stopgap signing like Matty James do for us? By the time he’s 100% match fit, it’ll probably be close to January anyway. To use Saturday as an example, how does he change the game being brought on as a sub compared to Torp? Probably not much and he’s not starting over Sheaf or Eccles. So whilst I was in favour of signing him, I understand why King would veto the transfer. It’s relatively expensive and doesn’t add a whole lot of value to the match day team.

The message to MR was probably something along the lines of ‘make do until January’ and given that Eccles and Sheaf should be good enough to get us to then.
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I think signing somebody like James would at this point be more for leadership rather than specific football capability
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 7, 2024
  • #154
Mucca Mad Boys said:
That’s not true though is it? The money was fronted for Stamenic in a deal worth £4 million or so and that deal cost us signing Alan Browne because he felt jilted.

What good would a stopgap signing like Matty James do for us? By the time he’s 100% match fit, it’ll probably be close to January anyway. To use Saturday as an example, how does he change the game being brought on as a sub compared to Torp? Probably not much and he’s not starting over Sheaf or Eccles. So whilst I was in favour of signing him, I understand why King would veto the transfer. It’s relatively expensive and doesn’t add a whole lot of value to the match day team.

The message to MR was probably something along the lines of ‘make do until January’ and given that Eccles and Sheaf should be good enough to get us to then.
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He’d add value by adding some leadership into a squad that has very little of it indeed. Could raise the performance of those around him like McF did.
 
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napolimp

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  • Oct 7, 2024
  • #155
Mucca Mad Boys said:
That would be valid if he didn’t have good depth at ST. The front 3 on Saturday after EMC came off had a combined total of 46 goals last season. The primary issue we have is that we did not fashion one clear cut chance for one of them.

It’s not so bad calling out strikers if they’re missing big chances - which happened last season. The more concerning thing is that we’ve got all this talent and not providing them any chances.

It’s not that he doesn’t trust Bassette, he just trust the more senior Simms and BTA - which is to be expected.
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EMC scored the same number of goals as Simms last season. A forward line of Simms, Wright, and EMC, have a combined total of 57 goals last season. They scored more goals last season than half the clubs in the Championship.

This season they've managed 5 goals in 33 appearances.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Oct 7, 2024
  • #156
fernandopartridge said:
I think signing somebody like James would at this point be more for leadership rather than specific football capability
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
He’d add value by adding some leadership into a squad that has very little of it indeed. Could raise the performance of those around him like McF did.
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Agreed with both of you, which is why I was in favour of signing him. I just understand why DK would push back to Robins that the team should be good enough to perform at a certain level until a big money signing can be made.

Leadership gives intangible benefits to a group of players, stuff that isn’t reflected in statistics directly. This team needs leaders because they’re a young group - stuff we all know.

In relation to James, is it wise to pay a 4th choice CM 12-15k per week (Saddles quote) who won’t be match fit until January anyway? The answer to that depends on if we will sign a CM in Jan or not. We seen how Torp struggled for fitness being brought in off the back of preseason in Norway last season.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Oct 7, 2024
  • #157
napolimp said:
EMC scored the same number of goals as Simms last season. A forward line of Simms, Wright, and EMC, have a combined total of 57 goals last season. They scored more goals last season than half the clubs in the Championship.
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Exactly, which is why my ire is directed at our midfield. We had about 0.6 xG on Saturday over 13 shots so we didn’t create any big chances at all.

This was a trend last season against the top half teams, the Norwiches, WBAs, PNEs and Hull’s of the league.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 7, 2024
  • #158
Brighton Sky Blue said:
He’d add value by adding some leadership into a squad that has very little of it indeed. Could raise the performance of those around him like McF did.
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Well that's what I would expect, quite naive of the owner to overlook this, who's he relying on for advice, not the manager, anyhow in response to MMM he obviously changed priorities to another target who'll hopefully produce somewhere down the line, If that's the case he should have made space in the squad, and sold someone first and they'd have some value in the bank and make the manager look clueless, just pay him off cos this is too painful!
 

covcity4life

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  • Oct 7, 2024
  • #159
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Exactly, which is why my ire is directed at our midfield. We had about 0.6 xG on Saturday over 13 shots so we didn’t create any big chances at all.

This was a trend last season against the top half teams, the Norwiches, WBAs, PNEs and Hull’s of the league.
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Yup. Issue is tactical. Blaming recruitment is wrong way to go bar focuses on lack of a centre mid imo
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 7, 2024
  • #160
covcity4life said:
Yup. Issue is tactical. Blaming recruitment is wrong way to go bar focuses on lack of a centre mid imo
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Quite a big question then isn't it?
 

alexccfc99

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  • Oct 7, 2024
  • #161
Mucca Mad Boys said:
That’s not true though is it? The money was fronted for Stamenic in a deal worth £4 million or so and that deal cost us signing Alan Browne because he felt jilted.

What good would a stopgap signing like Matty James do for us? By the time he’s 100% match fit, it’ll probably be close to January anyway. To use Saturday as an example, how does he change the game being brought on as a sub compared to Torp? Probably not much and he’s not starting over Sheaf or Eccles. So whilst I was in favour of signing him, I understand why King would veto the transfer. It’s relatively expensive and doesn’t add a whole lot of value to the match day team.

The message to MR was probably something along the lines of ‘make do until January’ and given that Eccles and Sheaf should be good enough to get us to then.
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Not a lot if any other than for a bit of depth - Why hasn't anyone else signed him if he was going to be that important for us?

Besides the fact for all the moaning at how weak the midfield was going to be this season it is actually what is concerning me the least on the last few games
 

skybluecam

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  • Oct 7, 2024
  • #162
covcity4life said:
Yup. Issue is tactical. Blaming recruitment is wrong way to go bar focuses on lack of a centre mid imo
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I am honestly baffled by the posters blaming overall player quality, forwards, effort levels etc.

Watching this team it seems abundantly clear to me that the issue is fundamentally tactical.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 7, 2024
  • #163
skybluecam said:
I am honestly baffled by the posters blaming overall player quality, forwards, effort levels etc.

Watching this team it seems abundantly clear to me that the issue is fundamentally tactical.
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The level of quality and effort from players like Simms, for example, is miles off where it needs to be.
 
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skybluecam

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  • Oct 7, 2024
  • #164
fernandopartridge said:
The level of quality and effort from players like Simms, for example, is miles off where it needs to be.
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Simms is a known quantity. If we’re not creating chances for him in and around the box he’s largely useless. That’s not changed since last season.
 

clint van damme

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  • Oct 7, 2024
  • #165
skybluecam said:
I am honestly baffled by the posters blaming overall player quality, forwards, effort levels etc.

Watching this team it seems abundantly clear to me that the issue is fundamentally tactical.
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It's crazy to try and pinpoint this all to one issue.
There's clearly multiple issues, of which tactics is just one, as are some of the points you've dismissed.
 
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covcity4life

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  • Oct 7, 2024
  • #166
wingy said:
Quite a big question then isn't it?
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Yes but also not a deal breaker. Can't tell me we can't get better results with sheaf torp Eccles and rudoni
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 7, 2024
  • #167
covcity4life said:
Yes but also not a deal breaker. Can't tell me we can't get better results with sheaf torp Eccles and rudoni
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You'd certainly expect so, but if airing feelings out on the pitch is any good then we're in for a fight,the literal kind,sort it Doug and stop playing Deaf!
 

Adge

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  • Oct 7, 2024
  • #168
Macca1987 said:
Agree completely, not just about the point though. Sheaf and Eccles both on yellows, so afraid to go in hard on the tackle, Sheaf losing the ball at the end cost us the goal, if he's not on a yellow he would have took the player down. A fresh CM would hopefully have taken a yellow for the team
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Ironic thing is Sheafs yellow was for the exact thing he or Eccles should have done for the second Wednesday goal-pulling a player back and stopping a promising attack.
There is no way if one took another yellow to stop Wednesday scoring in added time that Robins or anybody else would have hung them out to dry if we managed to hold on for a point.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 7, 2024
  • #169
Adge said:
Ironic thing is Sheafs yellow was for the exact thing he or Eccles should have done for the second Wednesday goal-pulling a player back and stopping a promising attack.
There is no way if one took another yellow to stop Wednesday scoring in added time that Robins or anybody else would have hung them out to dry if we managed to hold on for a point.
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Get Nasty FFS!
 
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Legia Sky Blue

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  • Oct 7, 2024
  • #170
Adge said:
Ironic thing is Sheafs yellow was for the exact thing he or Eccles should have done for the second Wednesday goal-pulling a player back and stopping a promising attack.
There is no way if one took another yellow to stop Wednesday scoring in added time that Robins or anybody else would have hung them out to dry if we managed to hold on for a point.
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Not seen it back since the goal was scored but even after their player beat Eccles it wasn't a situation that should have automatically led to a certain goal, certainly not if we had been in that situation! I was disappointed our last covering defender didn't slide in to try and at least put off their scorer. About 10 minutes earlier we had a chance where Bannan and one of their other players threw themselves in front of our attempt at goal, which seemed to be indicative of them being up for the game more than we were.
 
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Torquay Sky Blue

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  • Oct 7, 2024
  • #171
Bannan's a player we should of gone all out to try and sign after Hamer departed . Different type ...granted. Everyone has a price and we've been crying out for a midfeilder like him .
 
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ccfc1234

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  • Oct 7, 2024
  • #172
Torquay Sky Blue said:
Bannan's a player we should of gone all out to try and sign after Hamer departed . Different type ...granted. Everyone has a price and we've been crying out for a midfeilder like him .
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He was from the Midlands at one point as was at villa so might come back. Hardly gave the ball away once and dictated play. Would take him if he was available.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 7, 2024
  • #173
skybluecam said:
Simms is a known quantity. If we’re not creating chances for him in and around the box he’s largely useless. That’s not changed since last season.
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Given how Simms seems to work on confidence I wonder if it might be worth giving him a game in the U21's and hopefully run riot.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Oct 7, 2024
  • #174
fernandopartridge said:
The level of quality and effort from players like Simms, for example, is miles off where it needs to be.
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Given how Simms seems to work on confidence I wonder if it might be worth giving him a game in the U21's and hopefully run riot.
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Simms doesn’t necessarily work on confidence or high energy running - he’s a convenient scapegoat when things aren’t going well. People instinctively like BTA and Bassette because they run more but their output is less than Simms. If we’re only going to create 0.6 xG a game at 0.05 xG per shot, we won’t win many games because those statistics tell the story.

The bottom line is that we’re not creating good enough chances for our forwards. When Robins spoke about players taking ‘the easy option’ on the ball, he was talking about the creators in our team, the midfield (including Rudoni) and our fullbacks. There’s been many times this season where forwards have made runs from deep behind defence and we’ve not took the risk. For every glorious pass to Bassette (v Spurs) there’s been several chances we’ve passed up on.
 
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The watchmaker

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  • Oct 7, 2024
  • #175
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Simms doesn’t necessarily work on confidence or high energy running - he’s a convenient scapegoat when things aren’t going well.
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I feel people are slightly exaggerating how bad Simms has been 'this season'. He had a good game against Watford, scored and was then promptly dropped. He could have had 2 assists against Spurs if other players had put away chances. Since then he has had a couple of minutes against Blackburn when the game was dead and has been subbed into two games where we were already playing terrible.

Edit: forgot the Leeds game which was a bit of a hospital pass. Irrespective - he's not playing great but its a real team effort.
 
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