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Deity

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  • Aug 29, 2020
  • #1
I wasn’t a huge supporter of Baka last year but I have to say he looks sharp, hungry, strong and quick in pre season.

If he can keep up this approach he’s an asset off the bench as defences tire.
 
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ccfcway

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  • Aug 29, 2020
  • #2
I just don’t see it, but he’s 3rd choice and will be delighted if he is even “half of 20 goals bakayoko”
 
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Evo1883

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  • Aug 29, 2020
  • #3
Offers us something different... Good for rotational purposes /cup games.
Still prefer him to biamou
 
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hill83

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  • Aug 29, 2020
  • #4
Decent backup and can see him possibly getting 10 goals.

He’s been fighting losing battle from the off since he got here.
 
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ccfcway

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  • Aug 29, 2020
  • #5
hill83 said:
Decent backup and can see him possibly getting 10 goals.

He’s been fighting losing battle from the off since he got here.
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24 championship players got 10 goals or more last season. We will be going some to be our 3rd choice and be on that list
 

SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Aug 29, 2020
  • #6
ccfcway said:
24 championship players got 10 goals or more last season. We will be going some to be our 3rd choice and be on that list
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I assume Hill means in all comps, although no JPT this season so a few less cup games.
 
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mark82

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  • Aug 29, 2020
  • #7
SeaSeeEffCee said:
I assume Hill means in all comps, although no JPT this season so a few less cup games.
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Yeah, and we don't get the first couple of FA cup rounds either.
 

lord_garrincha

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  • Aug 29, 2020
  • #8
SeaSeeEffCee said:
I assume Hill means in all comps, although no JPT this season so a few less cup games.
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It will certainly help when he scores 7 against St John's Ambulance in the 3rd round.
 
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AFCCOVENTRY

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  • Aug 29, 2020
  • #9
He’s having a very good pre season and will be a handful for defenders. He’s learning and listening.
 

hill83

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  • Aug 29, 2020
  • #10
ccfcway said:
24 championship players got 10 goals or more last season. We will be going some to be our 3rd choice and be on that list
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All competitions.

He could just as easily get 0. But I’d rather be positive.
 

the rumpo kid

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  • Aug 29, 2020
  • #11
Biamou in good with Bristol rovers!
 

harvey098

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  • Aug 29, 2020
  • #12
Still would have Biamou as my 3rd choice personally but can’t knock Bakas scoring record for minutes he’s on the pitch.

Really hope we keep all four. At the very least send Biamou on loan but with option of Immediate recall if injury’s.
 
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Garryb80

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  • Aug 29, 2020
  • #13
harvey098 said:
Still would have Biamou as my 3rd choice personally but can’t knock Bakas scoring record for minutes he’s on the pitch.

Really hope we keep all four. At the very least send Biamou on loan but with option of Immediate recall if injury’s.
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Dont think you are allowed recalls on loan anymore outside of transfer windows
 

ccfcway

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  • Aug 29, 2020
  • #14
hill83 said:
All competitions.

He could just as easily get 0. But I’d rather be positive.
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7 in first season with us a 4 in second.

your deffo being positive
 

pusbccfc

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  • Aug 29, 2020
  • #15
He's come a long way. Clearly worker hard to get in shape and learn the game.

Will be on the tail of Godden and Walker.
 
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PVA

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  • Aug 29, 2020
  • #16
I've always liked him and thought he had talent but he's looked really good in pre season.

He has really beefed up and is more stronger and more physical these days.

He's brilliant at one touch layoffs - when the ball is played up to him he's very capable at laying off to a midfielder to keep the move going, better than Godden at that.
 
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harvey098

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #17
Garryb80 said:
Dont think you are allowed recalls on loan anymore outside of transfer windows
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Ah fair enough, wasn’t aware of that
 
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johnwillomagic

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #18
Best finisher at the club by some way but attitude and not utilising his attributes made him incredibly frustrating.

Think he has more potentially in his locker to offer in Championship than Godden but still has a lot to prove.
I'd be happy with a strike 4 of Biamou/Baka/Walker/Godden tbh if we could get another forward in even better!
 
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SkyBlueGuy

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #19
johnwillomagic said:
Best finisher at the club by some way but attitude and not utilising his attributes made him incredibly frustrating.

Think he has more potentially in his locker to offer in Championship than Godden but still has a lot to prove.
I'd be happy with a strike 4 of Biamou/Baka/Walker/Godden tbh if we could get another forward in even better!
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I'm really pleased to see Baka doing well, but from everything I've seen I wouldn't say he's the best (or even a particularly great) finisher? Godden has got much better strike instincts. Look back through his goals from last year, so many scored on the turn, or with first touch. The one he scored from the edge of the box against Wickham is a great example. A sweet left-footed strike into the corner and easily beats the keeper. Takes a good penalty too.

Not knocking Baka, and I'd love him to prove me wrong!
 

Sick Boy

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #20
harvey098 said:
Still would have Biamou as my 3rd choice personally but can’t knock Bakas scoring record for minutes he’s on the pitch.

Really hope we keep all four. At the very least send Biamou on loan but with option of Immediate recall if injury’s.
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Baka is a better player than Biamou and is improving; there’s no time for being sentimental if we are serious about progressing.
 
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Covkid1968#

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #21
SeaSeeEffCee said:
I assume Hill means in all comps, although no JPT this season so a few less cup games.
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No JPT.... Not having to be patronised by playing PL teams kids. We really are emerging from darkness. Still... it hasn’t stopped the piss taking scouse Evertonian wife looking over and smirking every time the checkertrade advert comes on TV.
 

covcity4life

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #22
I dont need a higw goal return I just as t consistency from him. Be a strong menace to defenders all game long. Hold that ball up and get in box for crosses

Still young so could all click I guess
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #23
I think he’s had a great pre season. Fair play to him
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #24
hill83 said:
Decent backup and can see him possibly getting 10 goals.

He’s been fighting losing battle from the off since he got here.
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He was good last season when he covered for Godden. All he's missing is that bit of extra aggression but his game has come on a bundle, he isn't getting caught offside much at all for example.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #25
johnwillomagic said:
Best finisher at the club by some way but attitude and not utilising his attributes made him incredibly frustrating.

Think he has more potentially in his locker to offer in Championship than Godden but still has a lot to prove.
I'd be happy with a strike 4 of Biamou/Baka/Walker/Godden tbh if we could get another forward in even better!
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Was this post made on Opposite Day? Baka the best finisher but bad attitude??
 
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johnwillomagic

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #26
I think Godden has a better strikers mentality and is cleverer by far in the way he gets into positions.

Baka when he actually does get in normally finishes really well - the problem is mentality/attitude maybe in that he does not utilise his pace and strength to get him into those positions often enough and the game can pass him by accordingly.

It looks like he is having a good pre-season so hopefully the penny is dropping I do think there is a very good player in there somewhere but now is the time to show it - i'm optimistic he will have a good season.

If budget permits and assuming we cannot afford anyone better would like us to keep all four forwards as all offer something different and allow a switch to two up front - Godden, Walker, Baka & Biamou I'd settle for that for starters.
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #27
Sick Boy said:
Baka is a better player than Biamou and is improving; there’s no time for being sentimental if we are serious about progressing.
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I can see that Baka has attributes (particularly pace) and I like him, but when I am told he is a better player than Max, the one thing I want to compare is goals, which is what they are supposed to do. Off the top of my head. I can think of about 5 or 6 goals that Max has scored that all show ability/technique that are above anything Baka has got close to imo. Ask me about Baka's goals and I think of Donny at home and Charlton away. Max's goals - Swindon, Yeovil, Notts County x2, Cheltenham, all of which would appear above Baka's just in terms of a goal of the month competition. I do see what Baka's potential is in terms of physique (but I thought similar of Conor Thomas) and pace. Not knocking Baka, but just think comparatively Max has been hard done by. I know it's only my opinion, though, and it's MR's that counts!
 
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ccfcway

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #28
With the quality of some of the kids we have, it’s almost a shame we can’t field a u23 team in JPT.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #29
ccfcway said:
With the quality of some of the kids we have, it’s almost a shame we can’t field a u23 team in JPT.
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But we don't know how they would compare to the u23's of the top clubs. Chances are they'd run rings round ours and even give the first team a decent game. Even some of the equivalent U23's at this level would be far superior.

Some U23's at that level would walk into our first team (and are probably paid more than them too). Look at Walsh and O'Hare - integral to us but played in their U23's.

Ours would probably be more at home in the FA Vase.
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #30
Sky Blue Harry H said:
I can see that Baka has attributes (particularly pace) and I like him, but when I am told he is a better player than Max, the one thing I want to compare is goals, which is what they are supposed to do. Off the top of my head. I can think of about 5 or 6 goals that Max has scored that all show ability/technique that are above anything Baka has got close to imo. Ask me about Baka's goals and I think of Donny at home and Charlton away. Max's goals - Swindon, Yeovil, Notts County x2, Cheltenham, all of which would appear above Baka's just in terms of a goal of the month competition. I do see what Baka's potential is in terms of physique (but I thought similar of Conor Thomas) and pace. Not knocking Baka, but just think comparatively Max has been hard done by. I know it's only my opinion, though, and it's MR's that counts!
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Bakayoko is a much better player - it’s up to him to use his attributes or not. Greg Downes Once scored a 30 yard volley against us for Norwich - don’t think he was a great player though
 
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Evo1883

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #31
Grendel said:
Bakayoko is a much better player - it’s up to him to use his attributes or not. Greg Downes Once scored a 30 yard volley against us for Norwich - don’t think he was a great player though
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IL give you your due I think you've always been correct about max even if I never wanted to admit so
 

fatso

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #32
I think it's time for both Baka and Biamou to move on and get regular first team football.
And I'd sooner see 1 young quality striker brought in to replace them.
 
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Grendel

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #33
Evo1883 said:
IL give you your due I think you've always been correct about max even if I never wanted to admit so
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Biamou is a poor mans Houchen. Bit of a cult hero who produced memorable and needed goals but actually was pretty mediocre most of the time. He managed to secure a move off his exploits and Biamou needs to do the same. He’s far too slow for this level and he’s not capable of consistent goal scoring. He can only really play as a 9 and the telling thing is he hardly scores normal striker goals and virtually none with his head.
 

fatso

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #34
Grendel said:
Bakayoko is a much better player - it’s up to him to use his attributes or not. Greg Downes Once scored a 30 yard volley against us for Norwich - don’t think he was a great player though
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How many other left backs have we had that won an F.A. cup winners medal!
The guy is a legend (hair or not!!!)
 

cooperskyblue

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  • Aug 30, 2020
  • #35
fatso said:
I think it's time for both Baka and Biamou to move on and get regular first team football.
And I'd sooner see 1 young quality striker brought in to replace them.
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I disagree. I do think Biamou may leave but also wouldn't be surprised to see him stay and fight.
Also Baka is only 24 so he is still young and has potential. He looks physically more imposing and if he comes on makes an impact and scores a few goals he could be worth a lot of money. West Brom signed Zahore from Cardiff for £7m and scored 3 goals last season, Gary Madine was signed for £7m and didn't score a single goal for them. If Baka continues to develop he could be a real asset.
 
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