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skybluelee · Nov 24, 2025

chiefdave said:
Fear that people are pissing in the wind with this. Swansea is A+ and that's virtually sold out. How can we turn round to King and say his pricing is wrong when its sold out?

If its all about revenue maximisation then King needs to pick the right fixtures. I think its terrible to charge kids £35 for tier 2 football match but as you say Swansea has sold out 6 weeks in advance so revenue maximised.

West Brom on the other hand was clearly the wrong call for a Saturday lunchtime TV game. Charlton will sell-out, the ticket exchange will inevitably open leading to extra footfall for F&B/Merch. There's no way we don't generate more income from that game than we did v West Brom.

The Bristol City attendance will be an interesting one to watch as Cat A prices are still steep compare to a lot of grounds (Does ANYWHERE else charge £27 for kids?....) and its 3 weeks before Christmas. There are already rumblings of discontent amongst the Bristol C fans.

Mucca Mad Boys · Nov 24, 2025

chiefdave said:
Was reading an article in an industry mag recently about ticket prices for live entertainment and how, post-covid, they have risen at multiple times the rate of inflation. In some cases up to ten times the price immediately prior to covid.

There's an expectation that football tickets are an exception and should be immune to this. Seems to be based around the idea its a working class sport but I'm not sure that really applies anymore.

Even with PL level TV money coming in club owners will be looking to maximise revenues, I can see it getting far far worse. I can easily see for 'big' clubs ticket prices in the hundreds being the norm. As long as there's enough day trippers and tourists that will be the direction we go in. Already seeing those clubs trying to find ways to take season tickets off people so they can be sold as individual matchday tickets.

Fear that people are pissing in the wind with this. Swansea is A+ and that's virtually sold out. How can we turn round to King and say his pricing is wrong when its sold out?

Sounds like an interesting article, but were these prices via the clubs directly or 3rd party sellers? My own experience of post-COVID football was when I went to Milan for the Derby and because the Italian Government introduce new measures, the capacity was capped and meant that the price I paid for a ticket was comfortably x2 what it would've went for if the capacity was 100% rather than 50-60% (whatever it was).

It's 'working man's game' is a religious mantra at this point, it doesn't change the fact that prices across the board have gone up due to inflation but also demand.

On that point, football fans have only got themselves to blame because it's open secret that 3rd party resellers regularly see tickets go for several times over their value (Prem mostly). Why should the clubs stand by and let it happen? It's their product to sell rather than Joe Bloggs. Last summer, I seen a table of England fans pay £600-700 for the game v Denmark which was a minimum of 3x market value (more like 6x). I don't like it, but can see why FIFA and clubs look at that and look to get a slice of the action.

Pricing is the ultimate feedback loops in a market economy. If prices are too high, you won't sell the tickets and in our case, despite the outrage from people who are mostly not impacted, the pricing is entirely justified.

skybluelee said:
If its all about revenue maximisation then King needs to pick the right fixtures. I think its terrible to charge kids £35 for tier 2 football match but as you say Swansea has sold out 6 weeks in advance so revenue maximised.

West Brom on the other hand was clearly the wrong call for a Saturday lunchtime TV game. Charlton will sell-out, the ticket exchange will inevitably open leading to extra footfall for F&B/Merch. There's no way we don't generate more income from that game than we did v West Brom.

The Bristol City attendance will be an interesting one to watch as Cat A prices are still steep compare to a lot of grounds (Does ANYWHERE else charge £27 for kids?....) and its 3 weeks before Christmas. There are already rumblings of discontent amongst the Bristol C fans.

Bristol City charged us £37 last season, they can’t be serious? Ultimately, if they don’t like it, don’t go and that’s the best way to protest. The best way to normalise these prices is to keep paying it, week on week.

skybluelee · Nov 24, 2025

Mucca Mad Boys said:
Bristol City charged us £37 last season, they can’t be serious? Ultimately, if they don’t like it, don’t go and that’s the best way to protest. The best way to normalise these prices is to keep paying it, week on week.

Its the kids prices though where we are outliers by miles. This is what Bristol City charge Swansea last weekend. £10 for U12s compared with us charging West Brom £35. And we'll be charging Bristol City kids £27. Its obscene.

TICKET PRICES

Adults - £33

Over 65 - £30

Under 25 - £30

Under 22 - £26

Under 19 - £16

Under 12 - £10

Sky Blue Pete · Nov 24, 2025

skybluelee said:
Its the kids prices though where we are outliers by miles. This is what Bristol City charge Swansea last weekend. £10 for U12s compared with us charging West Brom £35. And we'll be charging Bristol City kids £27. Its obscene.

TICKET PRICES

Adults - £33

Over 65 - £30

Under 25 - £30

Under 22 - £26

Under 19 - £16

Under 12 - £10

I agree I’ve asked what percentage of non st sales are children to see what level the question needs to be

pusbccfc · Nov 24, 2025

chiefdave said:
Was reading an article in an industry mag recently about ticket prices for live entertainment and how, post-covid, they have risen at multiple times the rate of inflation. In some cases up to ten times the price immediately prior to covid.

There's an expectation that football tickets are an exception and should be immune to this. Seems to be based around the idea its a working class sport but I'm not sure that really applies anymore.

Even with PL level TV money coming in club owners will be looking to maximise revenues, I can see it getting far far worse. I can easily see for 'big' clubs ticket prices in the hundreds being the norm. As long as there's enough day trippers and tourists that will be the direction we go in. Already seeing those clubs trying to find ways to take season tickets off people so they can be sold as individual matchday tickets.

Fear that people are pissing in the wind with this. Swansea is A+ and that's virtually sold out. How can we turn round to King and say his pricing is wrong when its sold out?

Because football remains different to other hobbies and essentials goods

Food and energy costs are rising but we cannot do without them.

Concerts and days out are rare occasions that extra costs can be saved up for.

The moment you start pricing people out of football, the moment you see empty stadiums. We've already seen that with our away end.

A lot of people are excusing it because the attendances remain high but ultimately this is because of where we arein the league. Would all games be Cat C and D if we weren't 19th?

Mucca Mad Boys · Nov 24, 2025

Sky Blue Pete said:
I agree I’ve asked what percentage of mom at sales are children

skybluelee said:
Its the kids prices though where we are outliers by miles. This is what Bristol City charge Swansea last weekend. £10 for U12s compared with us charging West Brom £35. And we'll be charging Bristol City kids £27. Its obscene.

TICKET PRICES

Adults - £33

Over 65 - £30

Under 25 - £30

Under 22 - £26

Under 19 - £16

Under 12 - £10

On this issue, particularly, it's a bit of a mountain out of a molehill tbh. Anyone who travels to games regularly will see that comfortably 70-80% (conservative) are U18.

At a rough guestimate, I reckon the % of sales for OAPs would be higher than U18s.

Mucca Mad Boys · Nov 24, 2025

pusbccfc said:
Because football remains different to other hobbies and essentials goods

Food and energy costs are rising but we cannot do without them.

Concerts and days out are rare occasions that extra costs can be saved up for.

The moment you start pricing people out of football, the moment you see empty stadiums. We've already seen that with our away end.

A lot of people are excusing it because the attendances remain high but ultimately this is because of where we arein the league. Would all games be Cat C and D if we weren't 19th?

Why is it different? Football clubs are loss making businesses so this entitlement complex from consumers (football fans) is astounding.

The bigger picture is that sports events are actually one of the few things that's tracked below inflation. Wages, transfer fees and normal day-to-day running of clubs have increased with inflation.

The point here is that people aren't being priced out of football because most of our games are sold out. Overall, our ST prices being frozen / raising below inflation has to be subsidised and if that means putting the burden on away fans and day trippers, I'm ok with that. What games haven't sold out because of pricing? WBA didn't sell out because they're not doing well and thought they were going to be beat soundly. After all, they sold out a 3k allocation at £37 a ticket when beating us puts them in the playoffs last season.

If were 19th, the club would downgrade the categories to get more fans in. That's how pricing works.... As this club full well knows, you could have £15 tickets but if the product (i.e. results) is shit, people will stay home.

pusbccfc · Nov 24, 2025

Mucca Mad Boys said:
Why is it different? Football clubs are loss making businesses so this entitlement complex from consumers (football fans) is astounding.

The bigger picture is that sports events are actually one of the few things that's tracked below inflation. Wages, transfer fees and normal day-to-day running of clubs have increased with inflation.

The point here is that people aren't being priced out of football because most of our games are sold out. Overall, our ST prices being frozen / raising below inflation has to be subsidised and if that means putting the burden on away fans and day trippers, I'm ok with that. What games haven't sold out because of pricing? WBA didn't sell out because they're not doing well and thought they were going to be beat soundly. After all, they sold out a 3k allocation at £37 a ticket when beating us puts them in the playoffs last season.

If were 19th, the club would downgrade the categories to get more fans in. That's how pricing works.... As this club full well knows, you could have £15 tickets but if the product (i.e. results) is shit, people will stay home.

Well that's the wider issue. Football is a loss making business because somehow we've got to a point where teams outside of the Premier League are paying players over £20,000 a week on average while having to charge their own supporters up to £45 for 90 minutes of entertainment.

I've barely missed an away game since COVID but I'd struggle currently if I had to pays £40-45 every away game.

skybluelee · Nov 25, 2025

The top of blocks 26/27 and some of Block 9 removed from sale this morning. Presumably they want people to snap up all the single seats dotted around the stadium before they open them up again.

pusbccfc · Nov 25, 2025

skybluelee said:
The top of blocks 26/27 and some of Block 9 removed from sale this morning. Presumably they want people to snap up all the single seats dotted around the stadium before they open them up again.

Not many left in the North Stand.

May even see resale open in a few days.

skybluelee · Nov 25, 2025

pusbccfc said:
Not many left in the North Stand.

May even see resale open in a few days.

They'll open up the ones they took off sale first but yeah confident it will sell-out fully come Saturday.

pusbccfc · Nov 25, 2025

Just singles left. I imagine resale will be open by lunchtime.

No sky cameras in the way and a sold out away end.

Should break records.

theferret · Nov 26, 2025

Looks like they have reduced the amount of seats available in block 9. Segregation seems to have been made slightly bigger again. Happened tonight, so not sure if in response to issues at Boro.

Mucca Mad Boys · Nov 26, 2025

pusbccfc said:
Well that's the wider issue. Football is a loss making business because somehow we've got to a point where teams outside of the Premier League are paying players over £20,000 a week on average while having to charge their own supporters up to £45 for 90 minutes of entertainment.

I've barely missed an away game since COVID but I'd struggle currently if I had to pays £40-45 every away game.

In fairness, most events will charge that for less. Seeing a big name comedian will set you back £30-50 on their smaller circuit shows. Given that’s not even their best work, it’s expensive.

We all shit on Sky, deservedly so at times, but it’s the TV money that’s arguably subsidised football ticket prices for nearly two decades.

skybluelee · Nov 26, 2025

theferret said:
Looks like they have reduced the amount of seats available in block 9. Segregation seems to have been made slightly bigger again. Happened tonight, so not sure if in response to issues at Boro.

No it happened yesterday morning. They’ve done the same for future games too. I think they will open up again today.

They removed some tickets at the back of 26/27 too. I think they were trying to get people to buy the singles dotted around the stadium first.

pusbccfc · Nov 26, 2025

Mucca Mad Boys said:
In fairness, most events will charge that for less. Seeing a big name comedian will set you back £30-50 on their smaller circuit shows. Given that’s not even their best work, it’s expensive.

We all shit on Sky, deservedly so at times, but it’s the TV money that’s arguably subsidised football ticket prices for nearly two decades.

I do agree about Sky but that money has also helped push wages through the roof.

It started with silly money from owners but continued with the huge TV deals.

Skyblue Bangkok · Nov 26, 2025

Mucca Mad Boys said:
In fairness, most events will charge that for less. Seeing a big name comedian will set you back £30-50 on their smaller circuit shows. Given that’s not even their best work, it’s expensive.

We all shit on Sky, deservedly so at times, but it’s the TV money that’s arguably subsidised football ticket prices for nearly two decades.

It's not just the ticket money add on transport a couple of beers , or soft drinks a pie and it starts adding up. If we get promoted the current prices will look cheap.

bigfatronssba · Nov 26, 2025

theferret said:
Looks like they have reduced the amount of seats available in block 9. Segregation seems to have been made slightly bigger again. Happened tonight, so not sure if in response to issues at Boro.

They've already sold those seats for boxing day so they can't reduce the segregation then

shmmeee · Nov 26, 2025

Mucca Mad Boys said:
In fairness, most events will charge that for less. Seeing a big name comedian will set you back £30-50 on their smaller circuit shows. Given that’s not even their best work, it’s expensive.

We all shit on Sky, deservedly so at times, but it’s the TV money that’s arguably subsidised football ticket prices for nearly two decades.

Hmmmm. It’s also the TV money that’s hugely inflated fees an wages requiring higher ticket prices for those the TV money doesn’t cover.

shmmeee · Nov 26, 2025

Skyblue Bangkok said:
It's not just the ticket money add on transport a couple of beers , or soft drinks a pie and it starts adding up. If we get promoted the current prices will look cheap.

Need a house to sleep in the night before, clothes to wear, council tax.

Mucca Mad Boys · Nov 26, 2025

Skyblue Bangkok said:
It's not just the ticket money add on transport a couple of beers , or soft drinks a pie and it starts adding up. If we get promoted the current prices will look cheap.

The Prem prices are a distortion and pushes up prices in the home end. From my selfish POV, it’ll be great paying £30 a ticket but make no mistake, it’s the home fans that’ll pick up the cost.

Football is an expensive hobby, but you’ve got to cut your cloth accordingly. As a rule, I tend to not buy food/drink at the ground because it’s a rip off.

Mucca Mad Boys · Nov 26, 2025

shmmeee said:
Hmmmm. It’s also the TV money that’s hugely inflated fees a wages requiring higher ticket prices for those the TV money doesn’t cover.

In the Prem, it’s the pressure of FFP imo because what you can spend is linked to revenue and ticket sales is one of the only guaranteed revenue sources. As football finance analysts point out, in the Prem the TV deals are so large, they don’t need to sell a ticket to break even. Something else is at play and imo, it’s FFP.

For the stick we get for our prices, apparently Leicester tickets can go do £50-70 on their ticket exchange. That’s what 2 lads I woke up with said.

shmmeee · Nov 26, 2025

Mucca Mad Boys said:
In the Prem, it’s the pressure of FFP imo because what you can spend is linked to revenue and ticket sales is one of the only guaranteed revenue sources. As football finance analysts point out, in the Prem the TV deals are so large, they don’t need to sell a ticket to break even. Something else is at play and imo, it’s FFP.

For the stick we get for our prices, apparently Leicester tickets can go do £50-70 on their ticket exchange. That’s what 2 lads I woke up with said.

Yeah and Coca Cola only costs 1p a pint to make. It’s the premier football league on the planet with huge international interest. What clubs “need” is irrelevant.

The big money in the game is TV money at the top level, that drives overspend throughout the pyramid.

Mucca Mad Boys · Nov 26, 2025

shmmeee said:
Yeah and Coca Cola only costs 1p a pint to make. It’s the premier football league on the planet with huge international interest. What clubs “need” is irrelevant.

The big money in the game is TV money at the top level, that drives overspend throughout the pyramid.

Correct and what’s stopping clubs just spending whatever they want? FFP.

The role of FFP has done a few distorting things, why is it that we constantly see strange transfers of 10-20m for home grown players? It’s FFP.

Back to ticket prices, because total spend under FFP is linked to revenue, it’s undoubtedly had a great knock on impact than anything else.

Yes, inflation of wages and transfers fees will have a knock on effect… The TV money alone means clubs don’t have to sell tickets to break even. Since the TV money is equalised, how else do clubs get a competitive edge? Revenue from transfers, sponsorship and ticket sales…

CV22SBA · Nov 26, 2025

theferret said:
Looks like they have reduced the amount of seats available in block 9. Segregation seems to have been made slightly bigger again. Happened tonight, so not sure if in response to issues at Boro.

Yeah originally thought everyone had jumped online to buy tickets after the game but you might be right.

theferret · Nov 26, 2025

CV22SBA said:
Yeah originally thought everyone had jumped online to buy tickets after the game but you might be right.

They have opened them back up now, must have been a glitch

skybluelee · Nov 26, 2025

theferret said:
They have opened them back up now, must have been a glitch

Don't think it was a glitch, more to try and get the single seats elsewhere sold. I'm sure they will open up the top rows in 26/27 that they made unavailable yesterday again soon.

Ticket exchange by the end of the week looking likely I'd say.

theferret · Nov 26, 2025

skybluelee said:
Don't think it was a glitch, more to try and get the single seats elsewhere sold. I'm sure they will open up the top rows in 26/27 that they made unavailable yesterday again soon.

Ticket exchange by the end of the week looking likely I'd say.

I note they have opened those block 9 seats for Saturday but not for subsequent games so I guess it was deliberate, so will probably open up those additional seats based on demand.

shmmeee · Nov 26, 2025

Mucca Mad Boys said:
Correct and what’s stopping clubs just spending whatever they want? FFP.

The role of FFP has done a few distorting things, why is it that we constantly see strange transfers of 10-20m for home grown players? It’s FFP.

Back to ticket prices, because total spend under FFP is linked to revenue, it’s undoubtedly had a great knock on impact than anything else.

Yes, inflation of wages and transfers fees will have a knock on effect… The TV money alone means clubs don’t have to sell tickets to break even. Since the TV money is equalised, how else do clubs get a competitive edge? Revenue from transfers, sponsorship and ticket sales…

Why do you keep pretending football doesn’t exist outside the PL?

Mucca Mad Boys · Nov 26, 2025

shmmeee said:
Why do you keep pretending football doesn’t exist outside the PL?

Teams in the Championship are chasing the money in the Prem. The teams charging £35+ for tickets, have the most expensive squads in the league are towards the top of the table… they’re chasing the riches of the Premier League.

shmmeee · Nov 26, 2025

Mucca Mad Boys said:
Teams in the Championship are chasing the money in the Prem. The teams charging £35+ for tickets, have the most expensive squads in the league are towards the top of the table… they’re chasing the riches of the Premier League.

Exactly. So unlike what you’re claiming the TV money doesn’t cover the impact on wages.

Mucca Mad Boys · Nov 26, 2025

shmmeee said:
Exactly. So unlike what you’re claiming the TV money doesn’t cover the impact on wages.

I was talking about the Prem specifically and so were you up until you made the strange comment ‘why do you pretend football doesn’t exist outside the PL?’

I’m talking about ticket prices, not transfer fees/wages. Again, the relationship between the Prem clubs and FFP is driving up ticket prices for revenue. The opposite is true for transfer fees and wages for most teams as the incentive is to reduce these outgoing in proportion to revenue.

To make reference to Championship, they’re chasing the promised of the Premiership so their behaviour is different. They’re under writing losses today in the hope of making it up in the Prem, but they also have FFP to adhere to.

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shmmeee · Nov 29, 2025

Evo1883 said:
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Sky Blue Pete · Nov 29, 2025

Evo1883 said:
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