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Brighton Sky Blue
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He couldn't be any guiltier, but he should be even more ashamed of himself for trying to claim he was 'reviving' her and that's how he got blood on himself. Suspect he won't last long in prison.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Both shocking cases-neither man should be allowed out of prison.
LastGarrison
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No, that's the Tia Sharp murder, not the April Jones one.
We don't know what this Bridger guy did exactly to that little April.
Sorry got mixed up there, apologies
Mucca Mad Boys
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True, if found guilty, this man is twisted individual, and should be punished, but killing these types of people won't solve the problem, rehabilitation will, however. Also, the death penalty is not morally justifiable as a punishment, as well as the obvious risks that the death penalty may kill convicted people who were in fact innocent.
What happened to the principles of 'innocent before proven guilty', it is probable that this man is guilty, but he's innocent until he's proven guilty by his peers.
The only people who have remote chance of understanding the motives of people like these are far far better qualified than any of us will ever be .It just seems so incoprehensible to the rest of us,there must be a gene or an infuence /exposure somewhere in the make-up that flips the mind .I cannot believe that any individual chooses to follow such a path willingly ,there must be some kind of mental flip out somewhere possibly staring with schitzophrenia,Obviously the results of their actions are life crushing for their victims families and the innocents themselves .I can only see crimes like these ending with better screening and profiling by health proffessionals and authorities with access to data and more rigid policing of sites that make a lot of Highly violent and Pornographic material available.
LastGarrison
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If you are going to jail someone for life (as in never release them) as BSB has said above then how are you going to rehabilitate them anyway? And what would be the point?
In this day and age with the improvements in DNA technologies and the like, I, personally, do not see why the death penalty cannot be brought back in cases where it is without question that person. If there is an iota of doubt then just enforce the strictest penalty possible.
You say it is not morally justifiable but that is not fact, that is your opinion, and surely comes down to your own individual morals. Personally, I feel that if you make the decision to sexually assault, rape and then kill children then you should not have the chance of rehabilitation. You should also not have the right to a life, but again that is just my opinion.
I did not want my comment to turn this thread into another for/against debate on the death penalty as we have been through it many times and for what it's worth I can see both sides of the argument. I also do not think the death penalty will ever return in this country, however, it does not stop my feelings that this world would not miss the deaths of these two individuals as well as the likes of Huntley.
kg82
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The thing about the death penalty is they're getting out of it too easily. It's worse punishment for them to spend the rest of their lives behind bars, taking some serious shit from some of the other inmates.
As for innocent until proven guilty. That's fine, I completely agree with that. Apart from one of these men changed his plea to guilty and got sent down and the other one has all but admitted it but he doesn't remember anything. He'll be sent down, the case against him is way too strong.
Edit: LG, that last paragraph wasn't aimed at you!
Nick
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Thing is they are so protected the other in mates can't get near them costing thousands per year
kg82
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Nah, that's not true. A lot of prison guards turn a blind eye to it (apparently!).
Mucca Mad Boys
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Just bear in mind that my comments, although relevant to this crime, were more general.
How is the death penalty moral justifiable? Killing people who kill people is revenge not justice, also, killing someone no matter the circumstances is moral. If killing is against your morals then that would automatically make death penalty immoral, surely?
I'm certainly glad that the judiciary condemn people, not ordinary people! Otherwise crime and punishment would be ridiculous.
I'm not going to go into much detail, but I think anyone can be rehabilitated, it's all operant conditioning, we learn certain behaviours, therefore, the same behaviours can be unlearned, people aren't born killers. On this nature v nurture debate, I think natural genes e.g. aggressiveness can be suppressed by reinforcement.
Not relevant here. But crime, on the large part, is down to socio-economic standing, poorer people are more likely to commit crimes like theft, murders and gang related crimes because they have had a traumatic chilhood e.g. abused children more likely to be murderers. They are my convictions.
The whole point justice, to me, is eradicating the problem of crime, and killing people or harsh justice does not solve the problem nor is much of a deterrent, overall, it's lazy.
LastGarrison
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I certainly see where you're coming from and can appreciate your point of view, however, as you might have guessed, I disagree.
I don't think everyone can be rehabilitated and anyway how would you define and prove rehabilitation? Is it not acting on your thoughts? Or not having these thoughts at all? Etc. etc.
There are certain crimes I don't think you deserve a second chance for, and raping and murdering children is right up there! You kill said person you can guarantee there and then that, that person will never harm another child again. You spend years rehabilitating them in prison and then release them you can still never be 100% sure that they will not commit another heinous crime.
You say that the death penalty is not much of a deterrant but do you believe that the thought of 20 odd years in prison being rehabilitated is?
I accept my thoughts will seem Draconian to some but, as above, with certain crimes I would happily just put a bullet in their head to ensure that they never had the chance to commit these crimes again.
Brighton Sky Blue
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There are indeed some who are incapable of rehabilitation because they inherently fail to know the difference between right and wrong. Not every criminal fits into this category however and for those who can show genuine remorse there is a chance.
