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Cheshire Sky Blue

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  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #141
Covstu said:
Who we selling to make up this debt??
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Carl B
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #142
I spent so long arguing with people who were in my eyes against the club because they hated Sisu. But that's the way it has to be unfortunately, how the clubs owners can do that to 90%* of the supporters of a club is mental.

*random unverified figure
 

Astute

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  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #143
hill83 said:
Will the order to pay court costs put a spanner in the works for any potential Ricoh return? What a mess this all is.
It's an odd feeling, on one hand I'm gutted the club will be faced with more debt, but also glad Sisu have been held accountable.
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If anything it could help our clubs return. In the next couple of weeks they might have to find 580k for the CCC court costs, 590k for ACL and their own court costs which will still be mounting with the appeals. This will be the Wilson money gone. They have signed new players that will need paying. The FL will want to see an advance of this new ground if we don't return.

Or will their investors be happy to keep pumping money into something that looks so futile?
 

lewys33

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #144
Rob S said:
Not that hard at the moment. Meet with FL and show them details of two potential sites, the impact assessments and that they are trying to negotiate a deal for one of them. Bear in mind that the FL have had lots of experience with the likes of Rotherham (approx. 610 days from leaving Millmoor to purchasing land for new stadium) and Brighton (years) so I doubt there will be too much pressure from the FL before next spring.

I'm not wishing the club into a new stadium BTW but I am slightly concerned by the number of people dismissing the idea of a new venue out of hand, especially as Sisu do have form when it comes to this kind of thing.
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The new stadium wouldn't be such a big issue if we were playing in Coventry whilst it happened. We are still at least 3 years away (I would say more realistically at least 5-8 years away) from walking in to a new stadium. How many fans will be lost by then?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #145
Rob S said:
Not that hard at the moment. Meet with FL and show them details of two potential sites, the impact assessments and that they are trying to negotiate a deal for one of them. Bear in mind that the FL have had lots of experience with the likes of Rotherham (approx. 610 days from leaving Millmoor to purchasing land for new stadium) and Brighton (years) so I doubt there will be too much pressure from the FL before next spring.

I'm not wishing the club into a new stadium BTW but I am slightly concerned by the number of people dismissing the idea of a new venue out of hand, especially as Sisu do have form when it comes to this kind of thing.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but were'nt both them clubs actually homeless? You know, in the real sense of the word
 
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Monners

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  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #146
Rob S said:
Not that hard at the moment. Meet with FL and show them details of two potential sites, the impact assessments and that they are trying to negotiate a deal for one of them. Bear in mind that the FL have had lots of experience with the likes of Rotherham (approx. 610 days from leaving Millmoor to purchasing land for new stadium) and Brighton (years) so I doubt there will be too much pressure from the FL before next spring.

I'm not wishing the club into a new stadium BTW but I am slightly concerned by the number of people dismissing the idea of a new venue out of hand, especially as Sisu do have form when it comes to this kind of thing.
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Could you expand on this please Rob. Also, I base my view that the new stadium will never happen due to the evidence at hand and my professional experience. WHy are you pushing the new stadium line?
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #147
Monners said:
Could you expand on this please Rob. Also, I base my view that the new stadium will never happen due to the evidence at hand and my professional experience. WHy are you pushing the new stadium line?
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New stadium will never happen so people don't talk about it. That simple Rob S. Sorry
 
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wingy

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  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #148
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/judge-refuses-sisu-appeal---7507922
 

Astute

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  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #149
Cheshire Sky Blue said:
Carl B
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Fleck would be my guess. Decent player not on a big wage that needs to be matched.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #150
Astute said:
Fleck would be my guess. Decent player not on a big wage that needs to be matched.
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Makes no sense. He went missing after Christmas. His discipline is questionable (definitely gained weight towards the end of the season). If he's on a lower wage he'll be retained. Baker isn't and seemed out of favour.
 

Rob S

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  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #151
skybluetony176 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but were'nt both them clubs actually homeless? You know, in the real sense of the word
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Rotherham moved to Don Valley Stadium when they couldn't agree a rent with the Booth family who owned the stadium.
 

Rob S

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  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #152
lewys33 said:
The new stadium wouldn't be such a big issue if we were playing in Coventry whilst it happened. We are still at least 3 years away (I would say more realistically at least 5-8 years away) from walking in to a new stadium. How many fans will be lost by then?
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Agreed although the timescales might be off. If fans really want the club back in Cov sooner rather than later then they need to get ACL & Sisu to discuss. No matter how tempting it might be to pick a side, the only way is to push them all in. If we care about lost fans, even more so. Thing is, we talk a good game...
 

wes_cov

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  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #153
a copy of the refusal of apeal can he found on the CT website:
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/in...Reasons for refusing permission to appeal.pdf

again pretty damning for SISU, Seams they even tried to get the appeal put through as a test case because it is "Novel in the private market operators test" scraping the barrel by the sounds of it
 

lewys33

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  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #154
Rob S said:
Agreed although the timescales might be off. If fans really want the club back in Cov sooner rather than later then they need to get ACL & Sisu to discuss. No matter how tempting it might be to pick a side, the only way is to push them all in. If we care about lost fans, even more so. Thing is, we talk a good game...
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It shouldn't be down to the fans.
 

Astute

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  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #155
fernandopartridge said:
Makes no sense. He went missing after Christmas. His discipline is questionable (definitely gained weight towards the end of the season). If he's on a lower wage he'll be retained. Baker isn't and seemed out of favour.
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He looked in good shape a couple of days ago. Was also one of our better players. He is also still a young player who has experience. Much more of a target than Baker.
 
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wingy

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  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #156
Astute said:
He looked in good shape a couple of days ago. Was also one of our better players. He is also still a young player who has experience. Much more of a target than Baker.
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Pretty sure this Is his last season ,so are they going to let him go for (compensation) next summer?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #157
Rob S said:
Agreed although the timescales might be off. If fans really want the club back in Cov sooner rather than later then they need to get ACL & Sisu to discuss. No matter how tempting it might be to pick a side, the only way is to push them all in. If we care about lost fans, even more so. Thing is, we talk a good game...
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Would be a good idea if we could make Joy see sense. But she won't listen to us. Looks like she won't listen to anyone. She wouldn't even listen to Fisher when he got a decent deal offered.
 

spider_ricoh

New Member
  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #158
wes_cov said:
a copy of the refusal of apeal can he found on the CT website:
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/in...Reasons for refusing permission to appeal.pdf

again pretty damning for SISU, Seams they even tried to get the appeal put through as a test case because it is "Novel in the private market operators test" scraping the barrel by the sounds of it
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Hahahaha yes!!!!
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #159
Astute said:
He looked in good shape a couple of days ago. Was also one of our better players. He is also still a young player who has experience. Much more of a target than Baker.
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Fair enough. I bow to your more up to date knowledge.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #160
wingy said:
Pretty sure this Is his last season ,so are they going to let him go for (compensation) next summer?
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Or as I said sell him for cash now. If an offer comes in he will be gone. We are where we are.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #161
Astute said:
Would be a good idea if we could make Joy see sense. But she won't listen to us. Looks like she won't listen to anyone. She wouldn't even listen to Fisher when he got a decent deal offered.
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Why I think discussion/contact Is Futile e to show them there is no truck with them,they will do what they will do.

We have to prove their path Is Futile .
 

Rob S

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  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #162
Monners said:
Could you expand on this please Rob. Also, I base my view that the new stadium will never happen due to the evidence at hand and my professional experience. WHy are you pushing the new stadium line?
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I wrote a breakdown of all the possible venues we could play at when this whole leaving the Ricoh mess blew up and dismissed Sixfields & the Pirelli Stadium (Burton Albion) out of hand because they were both on the edge of the allowed zone. I assumed that the club would be back in Cov because there would be no chance of getting an alternative venue (and I didn't even consider Nunny which apparently was rejected by the FL due to the flooding issues).

I was wrong. These people have form when it comes to either doing the unexpected or being underestimated by fans. Part of the problem is that there has been such an anti-Sisu echo chamber – especially here at SBT – that people just jump to the conclusion that they will lie, cheat, steal and torture puppies without taking the time to do some decent analysis or at least hold off making blanket statements before they can make a proper judgment.

I'm not trying to defend Sisu in any way shape or form here, I'm just pointing out that it might be worth not saying 'it'll never happen', especially when you look back over the last 20 years of CCFC's inglorious history.

EDIT: I'm not pushing the new stadium line, I'm just being the voice of doom.
 
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Rob S

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  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #163
lewys33 said:
It shouldn't be down to the fans.
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No it shouldn't. It also shouldn't be a 70-mile round trip to see 'home' games, we shouldn't be playing in League 1 and people shouldn't be having to go to food banks to get enough to eat. You probably see where I'm going here...
 

Rob S

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  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #164
Kingokings204 said:
New stadium will never happen so people don't talk about it. That simple Rob S. Sorry
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;-)
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #165
Rob S said:
Agreed although the timescales might be off. If fans really want the club back in Cov sooner rather than later then they need to get ACL & Sisu to discuss. No matter how tempting it might be to pick a side, the only way is to push them all in. If we care about lost fans, even more so. Thing is, we talk a good game...
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You forgot the FL.

They have their grip firmly on one of the barriers stopping a return. You would think if the club is as serious as they are making out they are for a deal for the return of the club they'd be pressurising the FL to get on with it and not wait until the 7th of August, we do have a home game the following Wednesday remember. It would be nice if it was a home game as apposed to a "home" game.

If the club issued an open letter on their web site (I think they may have a template for one of them) stating that the FL should call an emergency meeting, say, for Monday and make their decision on the outstanding £590K how could the FL refuse?

If this did happen it wouldn't matter if the FL ruled ACL were entitled to £1 or £590K there is no contract between ACL and the FL or Otium. They would have nowhere to go with it.

One barrier gone.

Thats what I'd be doing if I was serious about getting the club home anyway. If i wasn't, I'd sit it out until the 7th of August.
 
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6 Generations

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #166
What more do you think fans can do, beyond reasonable, organised and peaceful protest?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #167
Rob S said:


;-)
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Is that a film of SISU's legal team when the Judge was summing up earlier
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #168
As far as the FL goes I suspect it's a deliberate delay while they seek legal advice. I wouldn't be surprised if lawyers have questioned the proposed payment to ACL. Might be wrong.

On the other hand, to be outwitted like they have been shows that maybe the FL still behaves like a smaller board overseeing amateur football clubs rather than what the football league is today.
 
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wingy

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  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #169
wes_cov said:
a copy of the refusal of apeal can he found on the CT website:
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/in...Reasons for refusing permission to appeal.pdf

again pretty damning for SISU, Seams they even tried to get the appeal put through as a test case because it is "Novel in the private market operators test" scraping the barrel by the sounds of it
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Note no mention of SBS&L in that PDF ,dated 18th July so six days old.
 
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wingy

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  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #170
fernandopartridge said:
As far as the FL goes I suspect it's a deliberate delay while they seek legal advice. I wouldn't be surprised if lawyers have questioned the proposed payment to ACL. Might be wrong.

On the other hand, to be outwitted like they have been shows that maybe the FL still behaves like a smaller board overseeing amateur football clubs rather than what the football league is today.
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Their own lawyers also with regard to their own insolvency Policy.
 

Covstu

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #171
so SISU now owe an extra 1/2M to add to the 'pot'. Clearly an appeal to the High court is just silly and again a waste of money (over and above what they have paid for their own council already). Are they goign to really do a deal with ACL who they now owe an even bigger amount of cash too? I can see a return to the Ricoh being less likely.
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #172
ACL have to pay their own costs according to the report.
 

letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #173
I'm glad for you.
Because if the new ground is outside Coventry then I am another one who will walk away.

It will end up more deserted then Shitfields by the time they have moved in.


They could have saved themselves millions by the time hey have finished with this Appealing and if they keep loosing it will cost them the same again as bulding a new ground, I believe it is "2 million in cost alone already?


Rob S said:
Not that hard at the moment. Meet with FL and show them details of two potential sites, the impact assessments and that they are trying to negotiate a deal for one of them. Bear in mind that the FL have had lots of experience with the likes of Rotherham (approx. 610 days from leaving Millmoor to purchasing land for new stadium) and Brighton (years) so I doubt there will be too much pressure from the FL before next spring.

I'm not wishing the club into a new stadium BTW but I am slightly concerned by the number of people dismissing the idea of a new venue out of hand, especially as Sisu do have form when it comes to this kind of thing.
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Rob S

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #174
skybluetony176 said:
You forgot the FL.

They have their grip firmly on one of the barriers stopping a return. You would think if the club is as serious as they are making out they are for a deal for the return of the club they'd be pressurising the FL to get on with it and not wait until the 7th of August, we do have a home game the following Wednesday remember. It would be nice if it was a home game as apposed to a "home" game.

If the club issued an open letter on their web site (I think they may have a template for one of them) stating that the FL should call an emergency meeting, say, for Monday and make their decision on the outstanding £590K how could the FL refuse?

If this did happen it wouldn't matter if the FL ruled ACL were entitled to £1 or £590K there is no contract between ACL and the FL or Otium. They would have nowhere to go with it.

One barrier gone.

Thats what I'd be doing if I was serious about getting the club home anyway. If i wasn't, I'd sit it out until the 7th of August.
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OSB started a thread yesterday which goes into the logistics of a rent deal in a lot more detail and timescales are part of that. No return for the first game and that's never something I subscribed to in the first place.

My assumption is that the FL have people (lawyers, consultants, a sub-committee, whatever) looking into the issue with a remit to report back to the next FL board meeting and no amount of demands from clubs, stadium operating companies or fans will change that. Forget the idea of being home for the first game.
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Jul 25, 2014
  • #175
Rob S said:


;-)
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Lol. It's true though.
 
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