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martcov · Feb 2, 2017

dutchman said:
Not for some.

I never suggested she was. Her husband however was entirely responsible for the bombing of non-aligned Yugoslavia and the ceding of Kosovo to Islamic extremists.

I don't need anything of the sort, it's plain to see for any observer of military planning. The US and its allies have already occupied most of the former eastern-bloc countries which border Russia and but for a rebellion by British MP's in 2013 would have bombed Assad's forces in Syria which would have brought them into direct military conflict with Russia.

He may have his agenda but the Pentagon also have theirs which has not changed since the supposed ending of the Cold War.

Yugoslavia under the ultra nationalist Milosovic was no innocent country. Russian tanks ended up facing British tanks.

It is questionable who is more extreme- the murderous Serb nationalists or the Kosovans.

The previous Ostblock countries joined NATO as opposed to being invaded by NATO.

The Dutch let the Serbs murder the menfolk of Srbrinka ( I cannot spell it ), because they didn't like the Muslims, which was a war crime by the Serbs and maybe the Dutch because of allowing it.

Putin is using the same nationalistic rhetoric as Trump. Not a good sign.

ccfc92 · Feb 3, 2017

I'm still not 100% sure on why being concerned on national security and the free travel of unknown people into different countries, automatically makes you a skinheaded, neo-nazi, white supremacist fascist?

I have no particular issue with helping out anyone, from any country in the world. However, there must be procedures followed, and checks made and kept on those entering a country. Surely everyone can agree to that?

martcov · Feb 3, 2017

ccfc92 said:
I'm still not 100% sure on why being concerned on national security and the free travel of unknown people into different countries, automatically makes you a skinheaded, neo-nazi, white supremacist fascist?

I have no particular issue with helping out anyone, from any country in the world. However, there must be procedures followed, and checks made and kept on those entering a country. Surely everyone can agree to that?

Simple. You are more likely to be shot by a crazy American with a gun than a heavily vetted Syrian refugee ( vetted by 6 organisations at the moment ) in the US. So, Trump and Bannon have banned Syrian refugees indefinitely whilst doing away with gun controls that prevent the mentally ill receivers of benefits from purchasing guns.

That is the action from right wing fascists. Blame a religious minority for the non existent danger ( no-one from the 7 banned countries has committed an act of terrorism that resulted in the deaths of Americans in the US ).

Rename the organisation for prevention of radicalisation - including radical nazis - into the prevention of radical Islam. Thus taking the heat off radical Nazis - the supporters of Bannon and his side kick Trump.

Which procedures and checks have been strengthened regarding gun control? None. The opposite is happening.

ccfc92 · Feb 3, 2017

martcov said:
Simple. You are more likely to be shot by a crazy American with a gun than a heavily vetted Syrian refugee ( vetted by 6 organisations at the moment ) in the US. So, Trump and Bannon have banned Syrian refugees indefinitely whilst doing away with gun controls that prevent the mentally ill receivers of benefits from purchasing guns.

That is the action from right wing fascists. Blame a religious minority for the non existent danger ( no-one from the 7 banned countries has committed an act of terrorism that resulted in the deaths of Americans in the US ).

Rename the organisation for prevention of radicalisation - including radical nazis - into the prevention of radical Islam. Thus taking the heat off radical Nazis - the supporters of Bannon and his side kick Trump.

Which procedures and checks have been strengthened regarding gun control? None. The opposite is happening.

You're 100% right, much more likely. Just like I'm much more likely to die getting involved in a punch up in town tomorrow night or driving up to Coventry on Tuesday, or falling down the stairs etc...

But like I said, how can implementing checks be a bad thing? (Forget the US for a minute)

Even as a White British citizen, I would be subject to intensive checks to emigrate to the US, Australia etc, and that's with a full record of everything I've ever done, worked, travelled etc.

I don't see how checking people's history, or who they actually are, is a form of fascist racism? If it's obvious, please point me to it!

martcov · Feb 3, 2017

ccfc92 said:
You're 100% right, much more likely. Just like I'm much more likely to die getting involved in a punch up in town tomorrow night or driving up to Coventry on Tuesday, or falling down the stairs etc...

But like I said, how can implementing checks be a bad thing? (Forget the US for a minute)

Even as a White British citizen, I would be subject to intensive checks to emigrate to the US, Australia etc, and that's with a full record of everything I've ever done, worked, travelled etc.

I don't see how checking people's history, or who they actually are, is a form of fascist racism? If it's obvious, please point me to it!

On it's own it's not.... but coupled with everything else it is a part of a right wing takeover... Trump is going to "fix the world"....with Barron as strategist- read Bretbart to see where this is going...

ccfc92 · Feb 3, 2017

martcov said:
On it's own it's not.... but coupled with everything else it is a part of a right wing takeover... Trump is going to "fix the world"....with Barron as strategist- read Bretbart to see where this is going...

Do you honestly believe though, Trump would be able to "takeover"?

I don't think the world would let it happen, IMO.

martcov · Feb 3, 2017

ccfc92 said:
Do you honestly believe though, Trump would be able to "takeover"?

I don't think the world would let it happen, IMO.

Watch the news every night. It's happening. The world has little choice. I live in Germany and we're not taking it. May will have to as she needs trade deals. Farage, the little shit, has led - partly him - the U.K. Into a very weak position. We, the UK, have to pander to everyone if we want deals. We have 2 years at least of grovelling to go. What a fuck up.

rob9872 · Feb 3, 2017

You don't live in Germany do you? Why have you never mentioned that before?

martcov · Feb 4, 2017

rob9872 said:
You don't live in Germany do you? Why have you never mentioned that before?

I have mentioned that loads of times before.

dutchman · Feb 4, 2017

martcov said:
I live in Germany and we're not taking it.

You mean unlike when US spies hacked Angela's mobile phone and Germany did nothing?

Germany drops inquiry into claims NSA tapped Angela Merkel's phone

martcov · Feb 4, 2017

dutchman said:
You mean unlike when US spies hacked Angela's mobile phone and Germany did nothing?

Germany drops inquiry into claims NSA tapped Angela Merkel's phone

Slightly different... a clown backed by a nazi claiming he is elected to "fix the world" against listening to Merkel's telephone conversations.

Gazolba · Feb 4, 2017

martcov said:
Simple. You are more likely to be shot by a crazy American with a gun than a heavily vetted Syrian refugee (vetted by 6 organisations at the moment ) in the US. <snip>.

Thats's true but nothing can be done about Americans with guns. The US Constitution guarantees the right to bear arms and no attempt to change that will ever succeed.
Gun control is not the answer since most gun crime is commited with illegally-owned guns not legally-owned guns.

martcov · Feb 4, 2017

Gazolba said:
Thats's true but nothing can be done about Americans with guns. The US Constitution guarantees the right to bear arms and no attempt to change that will ever succeed.
Gun control is not the answer since most gun crime is commited with illegally-owned guns not legally-owned guns.

I thought the argument is, if everyone has a gun, there will be no crime as the good guys can protect themselves. Never seems to happen. Plus the mass shootings seem to be with legal guns.

dutchman · Feb 4, 2017

martcov said:
Slightly different... a clown backed by a nazi claiming he is elected to "fix the world" against listening to Merkel's telephone conversations.

So what's she going to do, stop exporting $100 billion of German goods to America each year or stop America spending £10 billion on US military bases in Germany each year?

ccfc92 · Feb 4, 2017

martcov said:
I have mentioned that loads of times before.

martcov · Feb 4, 2017

dutchman said:
So what's she going to do, stop exporting $100 billion of German goods to America each year or stop America spending £10 billion on US military bases in Germany each year?

Stop buying US securities and investing in dollars.

Sick Boy · Feb 4, 2017

ccfc92 said:
Do you honestly believe though, Trump would be able to "takeover"?

I don't think the world would let it happen, IMO.

Do a bit of research into Bannon, he is dangerous.

ccfc92 · Feb 4, 2017

Sick Boy said:
Do a bit of research into Bannon, he is dangerous.

I will do

I just don't think the UN will let them run amok personally. Plus, it's Congress that ultimately rules America, Trump's just a puppet.

Out of interest, would you have been happy with Clinton? I thought it was two bad candidates personally

Sick Boy · Feb 4, 2017

ccfc92 said:
I will do

I just don't think the UN will let them run amok personally. Plus, it's Congress that ultimately rules America, Trump's just a puppet.

Out of interest, would you have been happy with Clinton? I thought it was two bad candidates personally

I wouldn't have been happy and agree they were 2 bad candidates, but Trump is far worse.

martcov · Feb 4, 2017

ccfc92 said:
I will do

I just don't think the UN will let them run amok personally. Plus, it's Congress that ultimately rules America, Trump's just a puppet.

Out of interest, would you have been happy with Clinton? I thought it was two bad candidates personally

The US pay a lot into the UN and it's headquarters are in America.

Trump's ambassador to the UN has said they are going to treat the UN differently from now on. That doesn't mean mean better than before.

Hitler walked out of the League of Nations when he was making Germany great again. See what Trump does now.

Liquid Gold · Feb 4, 2017

"When the jews send their people, they’re not sending the best. They’re not sending you, they’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists"

"Jews counting my money! I hate it....laziness is a trait in Jews"

“A well-educated Jew has a tremendous advantage over a well-educated american in terms of the job market. . . . If I were starting off today, I would love to be a well-educated Jew, because I believe they do have an actual advantage,”

"When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the jews off the floor,"

I've just changed whichever minority he was targeting at the time to Jew. Does this sound like a racist nazi to you? Certainly does to me.

Sky Blue Pete · Feb 4, 2017

Liquid Gold said:
"When the jews send their people, they’re not sending the best. They’re not sending you, they’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists"

"Jews counting my money! I hate it....laziness is a trait in Jews"

“A well-educated Jew has a tremendous advantage over a well-educated american in terms of the job market. . . . If I were starting off today, I would love to be a well-educated Jew, because I believe they do have an actual advantage,”

"When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the jews off the floor,"

I've just changed whichever minority he was targeting at the time to Jew. Does this sound like a racist nazi to you? Certainly does to me.

Bang on my friend. And we need to confront the lies and allow them no credence

chiefdave · Feb 4, 2017

dutchman said:
So what's she going to do,

One thing she's had to do is explain the Geneva convention to him. How can you be president and not know what the Geneva convention is?!

martcov · Feb 4, 2017

chiefdave said:
One thing she's had to do is explain the Geneva convention to him. How can you be president and not know what the Geneva convention is?!

He will at least partly leave the Geneva convention and at least threaten the UN with leaving or not paying in any more. IMO

Macca · Feb 4, 2017

Right wing takeover is a laughable concept. Right wing politics is dead. Virtually everyone under 40 is an extreme liberal. So the future is anything other than right wing

martcov · Feb 4, 2017

Macca said:
Right wing takeover is a laughable concept. Right wing politics is dead. Virtually everyone under 40 is an extreme liberal. So the future is anything other than right wing

Where do you live? The alt right is aiming at younger people.... trump and Bannon are over 40 and in control of the most powerful nation in the world. Brexit has taken the UK to the right. Made it 'salonfähig' to be right wing.

Macca · Feb 4, 2017

martcov said:
Where do you live? The alt right is aiming at younger people.... trump and Bannon are over 40 and in control of the most powerful nation in the world. Brexit has taken the UK to the right. Made it 'salonfähig' to be right wing.

In the U.K.

Trump such a threat that he has been over ruled by his own people

martcov · Feb 4, 2017

Macca said:
In the U.K.

Trump such a threat that he has been over ruled by his own people

He is still claiming that he will overturn the 'so called' judge's decision. The judge was a GWBush appointee at 99 for 0 against.

I sincerely hope that Trump fails, but there are plenty of idiots who say, "it's democracy, get over it".

Unfortunately he has the power to destroy the state - Steve Bannon's announced mission. A bit like Hitler's ambition to destroy the state and replace it with a thousand year Reich. Meaning goodbye snowflakes, let the adults govern.

Have fun.... I am on the side against these fascists.

dutchman · Feb 5, 2017

Macca said:
Right wing takeover is a laughable concept. Right wing politics is dead. Virtually everyone under 40 is an extreme liberal. So the future is anything other than right wing

You will find that they become more conservative as they get older, as every previous generation has done.

dutchman · Feb 5, 2017

martcov said:
A bit like Hitler's ambition to destroy the state and replace it with a thousand year Reich.

Or the European Union as it's known today.

martcov · Feb 5, 2017

dutchman said:
Or the European Union as it's known today.

bollocks. that arose out of the destruction of Europe. This destruction was not premeditated with the aim of forming the EU. The situation of warring nation states was seen as the cause of the destruction. Hence the move away from nation states in the hope of working together to obtain peaceful solutions to problems. A very good idea. Pity that the likes of the turd Farage are around trying to take us back to the dark times.

Bannon and his sidekick, Trump, are committing a premeditated act of destruction. This is more in line with Hitler's reasoning for the creation of the Third Reich.

Sick Boy · Feb 5, 2017

Trump is peace
The EU is war

martcov · Feb 5, 2017

dutchman said:
You will find that they become more conservative as they get older, as every previous generation has done.

I'm getting more left wing as I get older. I have seen the results of destruction and have heard stories of people who lived through a very right wing era in Germany. I am seeing the right wing values that caused destruction and suffering becoming "respectable" again. e.g. Some even want a knighthood for Farage - a 70s NF fan. Judges called enemies of the people by right wing rags - which people actually believe.

martcov · Feb 5, 2017

Sick Boy said:
Trump is peace
The EU is war

Yes, we live in Orwellian times.

chiefdave · Feb 5, 2017

Trumps argument in court to overturn the judge is hilarious. Its basically I'm the president and can do whatever I want whether its legal or constitutional or not.

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