David O'Day
Well-Known Member
Utter nonsense, the work in the communities that identifies the kids at risk of falling into that lifestyle have been cut and thus less kids get the support they need to keep them away from gangs.
Bullshit, a lot of the time it is the parents and how the kids are brought up.
There is plenty of options and opportunities for kids if they want to take them, the issue is that people are far more self-entitled nowadays and expect everything given to them on a plate without having to get off their arse.
They want the lifestyle of being a drug dealer or in that sort of environment. When you hear from the parents afterwards they will near enough always give it the "They were an angel" type speech when a lot of the time the violence was to do with drugs, gangs or revenge attacks from one of the first two.
Have a look at the guy from the specials grandson who was stabbed in town, he had previous for holding somebody up with a gun and robbing them but the family didn't think to interject then and get him out of the lifestyle.
I have a daughter, she won't be hanging around with drug dealers and roadmen. I'd do my upmost to stop that from happening even if it killed me, I wouldn't just sit on my arse expecting everybody else to fix it for me and blaming the lack of youth clubs or some shit like that.
I grew up in Henley Green and it was never anything on this level. It wasn't full of displaced families from London then though. The council once again has a lot to answer...formerly of Ellacombe, there was always a veneer of violence around the place.
Wow, what a misguided post that is..Bullshit, a lot of the time it is the parents and how the kids are brought up.
There is plenty of options and opportunities for kids if they want to take them, the issue is that people are far more self-entitled nowadays and expect everything given to them on a plate without having to get off their arse.
They want the lifestyle of being a drug dealer or in that sort of environment. When you hear from the parents afterwards they will near enough always give it the "They were an angel" type speech when a lot of the time the violence was to do with drugs, gangs or revenge attacks from one of the first two.
Have a look at the guy from the specials grandson who was stabbed in town, he had previous for holding somebody up with a gun and robbing them but the family didn't think to interject then and get him out of the lifestyle.
I have a daughter, she won't be hanging around with drug dealers and roadmen. I'd do my upmost to stop that from happening even if it killed me, I wouldn't just sit on my arse expecting everybody else to fix it for me and blaming the lack of youth clubs or some shit like that.
I grew up in Henley Green and it was never anything on this level. It wasn't full of displaced families from London then though. The council once again has a lot to answer...
Utter nonsense, the work in the communities that identifies the kids at risk of falling into that lifestyle have been cut and thus less kids get the support they need to keep them away from gangs.
You don't really understand life for some people, do you?As I said, parents expecting somebody else to do it for them.
You don't really understand life for some people, do you?
As I said, parents expecting somebody else to do it for them.
I don't think you do.I understand life for a wide range of people.
I just don't buy the expecting somebody else to do things for them mentality.
In a world where parents or parent singular may have to be working 2 jobs to get by there isn't always the ability for them to be there all the time. That's why youth and community groups are so important.
It still isn't an excuse though, is it?
I am not saying it is solely the parents fault, of course it isn't. People running the county lines and paying these kids to do their dirty work should also be punished severely. Police should also be given a lot more power with stop and search and there should be much harsher punishment for people carrying knives.
It's not just the parents but they need to start taking responsibility rather than this nonsense that their kid is an angel type shit that always seems to happen. I'd have been begging the police to take me rather than if my parents found out I was carrying a knife about, they certainly wouldn't be gobbing off at the police defending me like you get nowadays.
Well that is a slightly different point and I would agree with you. But its also true that not every parent knows what their child is up to at all times- you think you do but you don't.It still isn't an excuse though, is it?
I am not saying it is solely the parents fault, of course it isn't. People running the county lines and paying these kids to do their dirty work should also be punished severely. Police should also be given a lot more power with stop and search and there should be much harsher punishment for people carrying knives.
It's not just the parents but they need to start taking responsibility rather than this nonsense that their kid is an angel type shit that always seems to happen. I'd have been begging the police to take me rather than if my parents found out I was carrying a knife about, they certainly wouldn't be gobbing off at the police defending me like you get nowadays.
That is true- stop and search is useless. Its just the easiest fall back to come out with when police come under pressureYou've just heard the words county lines haven't you. Coventry isn't really a county lines operation as it's about 9th biggest city in England and has had long standing criminal gangs already.
It's not an excuse, in the past there were things like community support workers and youth centres to help kids but these aren't there any more. There is no evidence stop and search brings down knife crime. The Met tried this and it still went up.
You really need to get out more
You've just heard the words county lines haven't you. Coventry isn't really a county lines operation as it's about 9th biggest city in England and has had long standing criminal gangs already.
It's not an excuse, in the past there were things like community support workers and youth centres to help kids but these aren't there any more. There is no evidence stop and search brings down knife crime. The Met tried this and it still went up.
You really need to get out more
A boxing gym for a few hours per week while having no other opportunities, or 'earning' £000s per week.Yes but there will be kids going out taking the drugs, no idea if it's related in this instance but I meant with drugs in general.
Youth Centres aren't going to stop shit like this from happening. It isn't bored kids just getting up to no good and knocking on doors and running, they are out willing to stab or shoot each other or 20 of them jump onto one person. There are no fucks given.
Why don't they all go down to their local boxing gym? There are loads about who will take kids in and train them and have funding / grants to do that as well.
There are plenty of options but as I said, people are far too self-entitled and think everything should be on a plate for them. Add that in with their lack of morals and respect and you get these little cunts.
A boxing gym for a few hours per week while having no other opportunities, or 'earning' £000s per week.
These people are a product of society and a product of their reality. The cuts to facilities, having no real opportunities & policing will have had much more impact than "bad parenting", which is ridiculous.
I said its a combination of things. But parenting is not the most important.So what makes you think they are going to go to a youth club or use community workers if they are earning 1000's a week?
As I said, there should be zero tolerance on those and those further up the chain. So many of the little cunts are feral with no respect for anything or anybody. To think parenting has nothing to do with that is just passing the blame.
So what makes you think they are going to go to a youth club or use community workers if they are earning 1000's a week? If I was 15 earnings 1000's a week my parents would have noticed something was dodgy.
As I said, there should be zero tolerance on those and those further up the chain. So many of the little cunts are feral with no respect for anything or anybody. To think parenting has nothing to do with that is just passing the blame.
you mean the "fofers" that you said didn't exist a minute ago? RightoMate your average 15 year old "fofer" isn't earning 1000's a week.
Once agin you need to brush on the brief before you chat bubbles about it
I said its a combination of things. But parenting is not the most important.
It is no coincidence that the reduction in police resources meant an increase in dealing, increases in dealing means more kids getting sucked in & becoming intoxicated by that 'way of life', while at the same time opportunities & things to do were also being cut. That there is the perfect storm to create a society where the bigger criminals make hay & end up sucking in more kids who end up killing each other on a regular basis. And when all this happens at once, I don't care what kind of parent you are, you are fighting a losing battle to take them away from that world.
You are properly failing to understand the reality of life for a whole load of kids, not just in Wood End but in every major city right now. It is an epidemic, not caused by what the parents are up to- its a documented fact there is a correlation between policing & youth initiatives and gang crimes, are you saying that the increase in this stuff has exactly coincided with a decrease in parenting levels?
Mate your average 15 year old "fofer" isn't earning 1000's a week.
Once agin you need to brush on the brief before you chat bubbles about it
I was just quoting what was said to me
As I said, parents expecting somebody else to do it for them.
I’d bring back the cat o’ninetails personallyAll this shit society started when teachers were told they couldn't use a cane anymore. Police can't lay a finger on the "little darlings" for fear of being accused of god knows what. Parents aren't allowed to slap their kids anymore, without the vile little bastards screaming "abuse"! Bring it all back! Let's have some backbone in our society!
That as well!I’d bring back the cat o’ninetails personally
50 years ago eh? Around the time when I worked behind the bar there!It's been bad around there for a long time.
Even when I was a young boy and we drove past the Live and Let Live pub my Dad would say he never went there for a drink any more becvause of the trouble he saw in there.
That was more than 50 years ago.
You mustn't forget inducements from central government and the gentrification of the Capital here FP .I grew up in Henley Green and it was never anything on this level. It wasn't full of displaced families from London then though. The council once again has a lot to answer...
Hell some of them are elected members.You mustn't forget inducements from central government and the gentrification of the Capital here FP .
Not saying they're white Knights .
Bit of Social cleansing about it
And reducing the burden financially on benefits to all of those buy to let private shisters.
That's a good point. My general theory is that basically every social and economic problem is linked back to the rentier society we live in.You mustn't forget inducements from central government and the gentrification of the Capital here FP .
Not saying they're white Knights .
Bit of Social cleansing about it
And reducing the burden financially on benefits to all of those buy to let private shisters.
All this shit society started when teachers were told they couldn't use a cane anymore. Police can't lay a finger on the "little darlings" for fear of being accused of god knows what. Parents aren't allowed to slap their kids anymore, without the vile little bastards screaming "abuse"! Bring it all back! Let's have some backbone in our society!
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