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  • Start date Oct 18, 2014
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sw88

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  • Oct 19, 2014
  • #36
junglej13 said:
Not a big fan of Alsop but just saw the goals from yesterday and Clarke is comfortably as culpable as him for the 2nd goal. Clarkes concentration will never be good enough to be a professional footballer. He would be released instantly if I was in charge.
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Makes you wonder how so many managers have favoured him though?
 

Hobo

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  • Oct 19, 2014
  • #37
stupot07 said:
Which is ironic given the number of goals we conceded last season....


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last year our goals were conceded from a porous midfield that kept giving away possession...if in doubt have a look at the video footage.

but I stand by my point a dominant keeper builds a confident defence.
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Oct 19, 2014
  • #38
sw88 said:
Makes you wonder how so many managers have favoured him though?
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He has helped quite a few managers get the sack!
 

cloughie

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  • Oct 19, 2014
  • #39
Allsop I am sad to say is quite poor and would not give any defender confidence, good or bad defenders
 

Warwickhunt

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  • Oct 19, 2014
  • #40
Why does SP persist in playing Allsopp? Could it be down to a possible contract that Bournmouth agreed to give us 3 players until January and that they would pay their salary providing they played or were injured! I still say we sold Wilson cheaply or did they become the make weight in the money side of it. Looking at Saturday's game Mcquoid, Coulibay & Allsopp were appalling so why did SP start them? Because Miller & Maddison did more than those 3 put together and if he had a reasonable keeper on the bench I think he would have subbed him as well
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 19, 2014
  • #41
Hobo said:
last year our goals were conceded from a porous midfield that kept giving away possession...if in doubt have a look at the video footage.

but I stand by my point a dominant keeper builds a confident defence.
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Which midfield players last season are you referring to that clearly had better possession stats?
 

Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Oct 19, 2014
  • #42
Warwickhunt said:
Why does SP persist in playing Allsopp? Could it be down to a possible contract that Bournmouth agreed to give us 3 players until January and that they would pay their salary providing they played or were injured! I still say we sold Wilson cheaply or did they become the make weight in the money side of it. Looking at Saturday's game Mcquoid, Coulibay & Allsopp were appalling so why did SP start them? Because Miller & Maddison did more than those 3 put together and if he had a reasonable keeper on the bench I think he would have subbed him as well
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Don't think this is far wrong as didn't we have such an agreement for some other dead leg that Waggott signed.
 
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rupert_bear

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  • Oct 19, 2014
  • #43
I don't care what level you are at you do not gamble with a goalkeeper, it looks to me viewing from the stands our defence has no confidence in him at all and that spells problems to me.
 

stupot07

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  • Oct 19, 2014
  • #44
Hobo said:
last year our goals were conceded from a porous midfield that kept giving away possession...if in doubt have a look at the video footage.

but I stand by my point a dominant keeper builds a confident defence.
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True, that's one of the reasons I would worry about returning to a 442


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will am i

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  • Oct 20, 2014
  • #45
stupot07 said:
True, that's one of the reasons I would worry about returning to a 442


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We are losing anyway so I would give it a go. Cant be any worse
 

Malaka

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  • Oct 20, 2014
  • #46
First time I saw him, he did'nt fill em with confidence and he still dont.
 
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bedworthsam

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  • Oct 20, 2014
  • #47
Nick said:
He reminds me of when you are 5 or 6-0 up on Fifa and try to take the piss with your goalie. What on earth was he doing early on when he wasn't under pressure at all but decided to header it out rather than take a step back and catch it?
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what you on about,that ball was never reaching the box without the striker nipping in,defenders were flat footed ,keeper dealt with it well.
 

olderskyblue

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  • Oct 20, 2014
  • #48
bedworthsam said:
what you on about,that ball was never reaching the box without the striker nipping in,defenders were flat footed ,keeper dealt with it well.
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I thought that too. Seemed like a composed bit of football to me.

I remember murphy trying the same thing a few times, and cocking up completely.
 

covcity4life

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  • Oct 20, 2014
  • #49
4-5-1 could be a compromise

a normal back line, bodies in midfield with one enforcer at least

and hope to get forward and support the lone striker.
 

sw88

Chief Commentator!
  • Oct 20, 2014
  • #50
After watching Saturdays goals back, you have to question his positioning and how far off his line for one or maybe two of the goals.
 
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bedworthsam

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  • Oct 20, 2014
  • #51
watched it myself, more defensive errors than goalie mistakes.
 

sw88

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  • Oct 20, 2014
  • #52
bedworthsam said:
watched it myself, more defensive errors than goalie mistakes.
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I agree the defence were poor and I can't put complete blame on Allsopp, but he was so far off his line there's a degree of blame that could be put on him (but he was not alone. The lead up to all three goals were through poor decisions by the defenders)
 
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lamtara2006

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  • Oct 20, 2014
  • #53
Could it be that our judgement of Allsop is clouded by the fact that - whatever other woes we have suffered in recent times - Westwood and Murphy were two of the best keepers in the history of the club? Allsop is clearly not in their class but there are plenty of other 'dodgy' keepers in this division, the problem to my mind is that our current team is failing to trouble them.

If we were banging goals in at the other end, concerns about Allsop (or Burge for that matter) would be far less significant.
 

skybluejelly

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  • Oct 20, 2014
  • #54
lamtara2006 said:
Could it be that our judgement of Allsop is clouded by the fact that - whatever other woes we have suffered in recent times - Westwood and Murphy were two of the best keepers in the history of the club? Allsop is clearly not in their class but there are plenty of other 'dodgy' keepers in this division, the problem to my mind is that our current team is failing to trouble them.

If we were banging goals in at the other end, concerns about Allsop (or Burge for that matter) would be far less significant.
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I don't know about murphy and westwood being 2 of the best keepers in the clubs history..i think oggy,headman.kirkland.glazier and even blythe and sealy were better than them
 
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lamtara2006

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  • Oct 20, 2014
  • #55
skybluejelly said:
I don't know about murphy and westwood being 2 of the best keepers in the clubs history..i think oggy,headman.kirkland.glazier and even blythe and sealy were better than them
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CWR did a poll earlier in the year - from memory, Westwood & Murphy were both in Top 5 along with Oggy, Blythe & 1 other. Les Sealey was the worst distributor of the ball from the back to play for us in the top flight and definitely suspect in other respects. Kirkland (who was deservedly rated as a youngster) is 2nd understudy to Westwood at Sheffield Wednesday at an age when he should be in his prime.
 
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