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[chiefdave]

got a legal binding lease csb ............ so yes you are right.

Is there anyway they can put one of the companies associated with CCFC into admin or liquidation and get rid of the lease that way? Assuming the lease is tied to whatever company is actually CCFC (as in the football club itself) so long as the league would transfer the golden share then could that company not just be wound up and SISU walk away without paying the rent? Sure there's more to it than that but I wouldn't put anything past SISU!

 

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[wingy]

there's loads of temporary seating that has been warehoused unused since the olympics. Wouldn't be that difficult (assuming there's space, I've just had a quick look on Google Maps never been there!) to bring the Butts up to 10-12K or were SISU agree to develop it to that capacity permanently surely they would be able to negotiate a stake in it.

Not saying either of those things are options but if SISU can show that somewhere else is viable then that is to their advantage. I would assume ACL have gone down this road to call SISUs bluff but I'm not sure SISU are the types to respond in the way you would normally expect.

And let's face it a 5 min walk from town and a stadium that's packed would be a much better matchday experience than the Ricoh in the hihgly unlikely event it ever happened. I know people talk about all the facilities at the Ricoh but would your average supporter be bothered if there wasn't a casino to go in and all the other things that come with the Ricoh. I know there would be a drop in available hospitality but we don't really know the % take up at the moment or how much that loss would be offset by reduced rent. Maybe it's not such an out there idea as we'd all previously thought?

If you were the Rugby club given whats gone on for five years and more importantly now ,would you seriously consider getting into bed with sisu?

 

[SkyBlueUkeman]

Warwick University Athletics track, a la Brighton...

My god I'm depressed.

 

[coundonskyblue]

Ricohs just one big concrete morque anyway, completely souless and void of any atmophere (like most new stadia tho). Lets hope, that if we do have to move to a new ground then all the negative moaning i could of been a pro footballer so called supporters can stay at the ricoh.........

Yes because even lower attendances is just what the club will need.

 

[cloughie]

I wouldn't rent sisu my back garden

They would probably not pay and sue me for 'not fit for purpose'

 

[Gaz]

This was always going to come to a head at some point.
Ccfc can not keep paying rent fees that are unrealistic.
where is that sort of money going to keep coming from, when we are only getting gates of 10k and any money through the sale of food and drink ect doesn't come to the club.

ACL either lower the rent or we look to move and play else where.

 

[DJhinckley]

hinckley currently has official capacity of 4300. though does have the open end where temp seating could be placed quite easily. even with a small bit of investment the terracing could be extended and would not take much to get up to 6000 as a temp measure if there's no choice of anywhere else.

obv you'd want to be back in cov as soon as possible, but realistically with a 10 point hit for admin, you're looking at league two next season, a slight reduction in attendances and a couple of season at hinckley whilst you get sorted would be a viable short term option.

 

[oldskyblue58]

Is there anyway they can put one of the companies associated with CCFC into admin or liquidation and get rid of the lease that way? Assuming the lease is tied to whatever company is actually CCFC (as in the football club itself) so long as the league would transfer the golden share then could that company not just be wound up and SISU walk away without paying the rent? Sure there's more to it than that but I wouldn't put anything past SISU!

i dont know for sure but it is a thought that has crossed my mind davebart. I think the lease is actually in CCFC Holdings not CCFC so that might be a possibility. That could leave CCFC to play under new lease at Ricoh or elsewhere. Time will tell what their game is........... at the moment SISU either have some plan ready or they are clueless ...... i dont think its the latter

 

[Grendel]

Another stupid thread on the suitability of a park pitch with one stand.

 

[oldskyblue58]

This was always going to come to a head at some point.
Ccfc can not keep paying rent fees that are unrealistic.
where is that sort of money going to keep coming from, when we are only getting gates of 10k and any money through the sale of food and drink ect doesn't come to the club.

ACL either lower the rent or we look to move and play else where.

But from what I know ACL have offered to reduce by over 50% but it was rejected out of hand so who is not being transparent in their actions

The only income stream CCFc do not get is from the Kiosks it is very very hard to believe that the loss of profits(not the turnover because sales have costs of sales) derived from that is killing the club

 

[OyJimmy]

How far could Sisu make us travel?

Leicester? Brum? Dublin?

Are their league limits?

 

[deanocity3]

Plenty of space for another stand me thinks

 

[cloughie]

This was always going to come to a head at some point.
Ccfc can not keep paying rent fees that are unrealistic.
where is that sort of money going to keep coming from, when we are only getting gates of 10k and any money through the sale of food and drink ect doesn't come to the club.

ACL either lower the rent or we look to move and play else where.

How many times do we have to repeat this they were offered 50% reduction and refused:facepalm:

 

[Glen]

Well mk dons need I say more

 

[Glen]

Ignore me just been reading about mk dons and that loop hole has been changed I am not sure we can even leave the county and play to be honest

 

[OyJimmy]

But did the FAQ say they'd never sanction it again?

 

[cloughie]

Another stupid thread on the suitability of a park pitch with one stand.

No stand in my back garden

 

[Gaz]

And what if 50% of the current rent is still unsustainable ?

We need to still find that 50% of the rent, with low tickets sale and very little other income streams we just can't operate as a business.

 

[coundonskyblue]

And what if 50% of the current rent is still unsustainable ?

We need to still find that 50% of the rent, with low tickets sale and very little other income streams we just can't operate as a business.

Ticket sales are double the league 1 average, and what income streams do other clubs have?

I hardly think getting the money from a few pies and a couple of pints is going to shoot us to the premiership.

 

[oldskyblue58]

but if finances are so critical why have we a squad of 37 and a FFP wages budget of £4.2m ........... if you are serious about getting a viable club you address all the costs not pick one and over spend on another.

 

[cloughie]

And what if 50% of the current rent is still unsustainable ?

We need to still find that 50% of the rent, with low tickets sale and very little other income streams we just can't operate as a business.

Then they should try talking but fisher comes up with a 150,000 offer sorry but a joke we have been through this on other threads ie

you don't pay woodend rent prices for a kenilworth road house

 

[torchomatic]

The one major flaw in that plan is that this is the people of Coventry and Warwickshire we're talking about. Unfortunately, they don;t turn up very often. The new ground should be in Norfolk. We'd do OK then.

why are the club and ACl banding around fixed fee figures for rent, surely the best way to do it would be on a percentage of attendances

 

[coundonskyblue]

Fisher keeps talking about how we should be charged a 'league 1 rent'.

I would be interested to know what an average league 1 turnover is?

 

[coundonskyblue]

The one major flaw in that plan is that this is the people of Coventry and Warwickshire we're talking about. Unfortunately, they don;t turn up very often. The new ground should be in Norfolk. We'd do OK then.

Knew it would be the fans fault at some point! Well done, you've found your scapegoat.

 

[pusbccfc]

Did I read that Hinckley were planning on building the final stand?
We could go halves with them or strike a deal?

Bring it up to 6k

 

[coundonskyblue]

How exactly do we have time to rebuild BPA? We have 21 days! If ACL lock us out at that time we will be chucked out of the league!

The club could only move to a ground that could accomodate the 6k season ticket holders at least.

 

[skybluehugh]

They will not make me travel any distance. I support COVENTRY CITY FOOTBALL CLUB I was born and bread in Coventry. I travel from London to watch them in COVENTRY because I was the one that moved and so if I want to continue to support my team I have to come to them. How is it far that they can make anyone from Coventry have to travel outside of the CITY OF COVENTRY to watch their home team. They can not call any club in any other town or city COVENTRY CITY just as the mk don's are not called Wimbledon mk don's.

 

[Gaz]

Ticket sales are double the league 1 average, and what income streams do other clubs have?
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Tickets sales are double the league 1 average ?
Well how much more is the rent we pay than the league 1 average ?

Foods sales at the Ricoh arn't going to get us to the premiership, like you so intelligently put it.
But they are going to help towards what we can put on the football pitch, as I understand it.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Is it official that ACL offered 50% reduction or is it just 'a reported' figure?

Just asking cos I don't personally recall that being confirmed... Mind you, I do smoke a lot so memory is not what it was...

 

[Bluegloucester]

Is there anyway they can put one of the companies associated with CCFC into admin or liquidation and get rid of the lease that way? Assuming the lease is tied to whatever company is actually CCFC (as in the football club itself) so long as the league would transfer the golden share then could that company not just be wound up and SISU walk away without paying the rent? Sure there's more to it than that but I wouldn't put anything past SISU!

More than likely that CCFC is put into admin and a SISU entity buy back in under a pre pack sale. OSB over to you.

 

[Spence CCFC]

I still don't think it'll come to this. Plus, as someone earlier said if they do chuck us out we're not going to be able to sort an agreement with another club and sort all the fixtures, let alone build about 3 stands without any planning permission.

 

[torchomatic]

It's not a scapegoat. It's a fact. With the stadium and the catchment area we have we should be full every week.

Knew it would be the fans fault at some point! Well done, you've found your scapegoat.

 

[deanocity3]

You can get 10,000 at brandon
but you wouldn't get in pitch to fit inside the track

 

[Southerner79]

But from what I know ACL have offered to reduce by over 50% but it was rejected out of hand so who is not being transparent in their actions<br />
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Presumably the judgement is that 50% + operational costs is still uncompetitive.

 

[coundonskyblue]

Tickets sales are double the league 1 average ?
Well how much more is the rent we pay than the league 1 average ?

Foods sales at the Ricoh arn't going to get us to the premiership, like you so intelligently put it.
But they are going to help towards what we can put on the football pitch, as I understand it.

Legue 1 average is 6048. Ours is 43% higher than that if you want a precise figure.