Marosi, Moore, Collins and Wilson all regressed.
That's beyond debate. The question is why?
It might be nothing to do with the coaching but to not question the person whose job title is goalkeeping coach would be peculiar to say the least.
My honest opinion is that none of the goal keepers were particularly good to begin with.
1. Marosi didn't regress. We signed him for L1 and and we got promoted, broke his cheeckbone in the Championship and lost his place, L1 is his level and always has been
2. Moore by all accounts dealt with personal issues around the time his form dropped off
3. Wilson had 1 good season, but we can all agree even that season that CS stats flattered to deceive
4. Collins 'good form' had one good stretch of around 10 games (even RCC managed this) where had a high save % but overall faced a relatively low xG, also wasn't first choice to begin with
It's an overly simplistic view to say its the GK coach's fault, especially when the talent wasn't amazing to begin with. It's similar to the whole weird fixation with Dr Roberts being responsible for the teams results (rather than Robins lmao) because her job title was 'performance director'.
Did marosi regress or did he just not make the step up?
Moore had personal issues which massively affected him.
Wilson - how he was when we first got him to where he is now is leaps and bounds. It's just wrong that he has regressed. He was never good and he's nothing more than average now.
Collins is the only one who has actually regressed in my books.
Wilson definitely regressed.
He was far better in his golden gloves season than given credit for and his stats show that.
By the end of last season he was marginally better than Collins.
His head doesn’t go down after a mistake whereas Collins just implodes. A first choice keeper will concede quite a few goals over a season, they need to be mentally robust.Wilson definitely regressed.
He was far better in his golden gloves season than given credit for and his stats show that.
By the end of last season he was marginally better than Collins.
So to summarise players that get better after signing are down to coaching, players that get worse after signing nothing to do with coaching.
The players who've bought in to what the new manager and coaches want from them have visibly improved quite a bit. Those who haven't are out on loan at Burton Albion and Reims.Not the point I was making, my point is when assessing the progress or otherwise of a player it seems illogical to want the coaches excluded from the argument.
Wilson definitely regressed.
He was far better in his golden gloves season than given credit for and his stats show that.
By the end of last season he was marginally better than Collins.
Did marosi regress or did he just not make the step up?
Moore had personal issues which massively affected him.
Wilson - how he was when we first got him to where he is now is leaps and bounds. It's just wrong that he has regressed. He was never good and he's nothing more than average now.
Collins is the only one who has actually regressed in my books.
Agree except for Collins. I think Collins and Wilson are on a par and personally I would have Wilson slightly ahead. Mainly because Wilson bounces back from mistakes better.
He's also brave, which Collins isn't.His head doesn’t go down after a mistake whereas Collins just implodes. A first choice keeper will concede quite a few goals over a season, they need to be mentally robust.
Wilson definitely is, but his ability is limited.
Kitching credited John Dempster's coaching input on CWR after the game if I'm not mistaken.
Credited him for the long throws we are using a lot of.Kitching credited John Dempster's coaching input on CWR after the game if I'm not mistaken.
When KKH is on the pitch I’m surprised we didn’t switch things and have MVE come to the other side to take long throws on occasion. Just for that play when it’s needed. Other than that, do we have a right side player who can chuck a ball?Credited him for the long throws we are using a lot of.
Yet another clean sheet courtesy of Big Aled - what’s happened to all the people demanding he be fired?
I think my point all along has been that a GK coach’s ability can’t easily be determined just by looking at things like clean sheets or individual errors on a game-to-game basis.So now you're saying coaches do affect performances?
Make your mind up!
But he does deserve credit for a keeper playing well, seen as he is, you know, goalkeeping coach.
I think my point all along has been that a GK coach’s ability can’t easily be determined just by looking at things like clean sheets or individual errors on a game-to-game basis.
But if you disagree with that, then Williams surely deserves plaudits for the recent performances, just as people demanded he get the sack a few weeks ago.
It doesn’t seem to be fine by others!I've just given him credit.
And the fact Lampard has kept him tells me he's happy with him so that's fine by me.
In all seriousness, I wish there was a Dr Claire-Marie Roberts thread to bump, as the performance levels this week have been outstanding. The pressing from the front is downright maniacal, the team seems fit as a fiddle right now.
Yea im probably in that one too .. can you leave me alone please mate .. thanksIn all seriousness, I wish there was a Dr Claire-Marie Roberts thread to bump, as the performance levels this week have been outstanding. The pressing from the front is downright maniacal, the team seems fit as a fiddle right now.
What remains of them yes last season or the season before Frank's arrival we were constantly told fittest they've ever been,can both be true,or is Frank proving that to be untrue and this squad is suffering,is that the price of attrition?In all seriousness, I wish there was a Dr Claire-Marie Roberts thread to bump, as the performance levels this week have been outstanding. The pressing from the front is downright maniacal, the team seems fit as a fiddle right now.
Should those who criticized Aled and John (and Claire-Marie), when our form was poor, now be heartily congratulating these same people, because now our form is not only good, but fuckin unbelievable ?
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