My agenda is keeping this club alive. I'm not in a position to help with this, the trust are but constantly do things that are counter productive, because of this they get criticised. Would you like me to end the post with 'SISU OUT!!!' to make it easier to understand?If I was fan of another club coming on here for the first time, looking at opinions and read this thread, I would conclude that the biggest threat to the future of Coventry City is the Sky Blue Trust. So much anger and vitriol aimed at a small group of City fans. Far more anger in fact, than is aimed at the main threat to our future which is Sisu. It is funny but the small cartel on here who constantly snipe at the Trust all say, ”Yes, we all hate Sisu, but what about Wasps, CCC and the Trust.” There is a small acknowledgement that, yes, perhaps Fisher and friends haven’t really had the club’s best interests at heart,but never mind them what about everyone else?. The anger and hatred from the small group of 5 or 6 that keep attacking the Trust is in marked contrast to anything that they ever say about Sisu whose contribution to our demise is passed over with the glib comment, “Well yes, we all hate Sisu but what about....”
A lot is hinted about agendas, and why certain people pop up at a particular time to push this agenda or that agenda. I wonder why the Trust are such an agenda for the usual crew. After all, they are not a threat to the club. Sisu, however, who are the root cause of the predicament we are in and whose actions have brought Wasps into this story and forced CCC to act in the way they have, do not produce even a flicker of anger in comparison. ( that, by the way, is not me excusing Wasps, who are a franchise club and who shouldn’t be here, or CCC who seem to have
abandoned CCFC to their fate. Ultimately it is Sisu who have got them involved and made them such a negative influence on our future).
Surely it couldn’t be that our friends on here want to turn attention away from the real culprits of our problem by making the Trust out to be the real villains? Is that perhaps their agenda? Rather than spending so much time pointing out the shortcomings of the Trust, why not actually organise yourselves something that you think will help in this predicament. I don’t mean tell someone else to do it, you organise it, you do it. If you are convinced you have some answers, publicise and I am sure some of us would join in if we felt it would make a difference.
Let’’s be clear, if the Trust folded tomorrow and ceased to exist, (seeing the hatred towards them from a few on here, I wouldn’t blame the board members if they did give up), the very real problems that CCFC face, the threat to the actual existence of our club would still be here. The Trust are trying to do something, it may not be great, it may not affect the outcome, but they are at least trying. If they disappeared would their small group of detractors on here put their own ideas into action? It would be interesting to see. I wouldn’t hold my breath. I now await the usual response when ever they are asked what they are doing.
I'll be supporting the team. What will you be doing?If I was fan of another club coming on here for the first time, looking at opinions and read this thread, I would conclude that the biggest threat to the future of Coventry City is the Sky Blue Trust. So much anger and vitriol aimed at a small group of City fans. Far more anger in fact, than is aimed at the main threat to our future which is Sisu. It is funny but the small cartel on here who constantly snipe at the Trust all say, ”Yes, we all hate Sisu, but what about Wasps, CCC and the Trust.” There is a small acknowledgement that, yes, perhaps Fisher and friends haven’t really had the club’s best interests at heart,but never mind them what about everyone else?. The anger and hatred from the small group of 5 or 6 that keep attacking the Trust is in marked contrast to anything that they ever say about Sisu whose contribution to our demise is passed over with the glib comment, “Well yes, we all hate Sisu but what about....”
A lot is hinted about agendas, and why certain people pop up at a particular time to push this agenda or that agenda. I wonder why the Trust are such an agenda for the usual crew. After all, they are not a threat to the club. Sisu, however, who are the root cause of the predicament we are in and whose actions have brought Wasps into this story and forced CCC to act in the way they have, do not produce even a flicker of anger in comparison. ( that, by the way, is not me excusing Wasps, who are a franchise club and who shouldn’t be here, or CCC who seem to have
abandoned CCFC to their fate. Ultimately it is Sisu who have got them involved and made them such a negative influence on our future).
Surely it couldn’t be that our friends on here want to turn attention away from the real culprits of our problem by making the Trust out to be the real villains? Is that perhaps their agenda? Rather than spending so much time pointing out the shortcomings of the Trust, why not actually organise yourselves something that you think will help in this predicament. I don’t mean tell someone else to do it, you organise it, you do it. If you are convinced you have some answers, publicise and I am sure some of us would join in if we felt it would make a difference.
Let’’s be clear, if the Trust folded tomorrow and ceased to exist, (seeing the hatred towards them from a few on here, I wouldn’t blame the board members if they did give up), the very real problems that CCFC face, the threat to the actual existence of our club would still be here. The Trust are trying to do something, it may not be great, it may not affect the outcome, but they are at least trying. If they disappeared would their small group of detractors on here put their own ideas into action? It would be interesting to see. I wouldn’t hold my breath. I now await the usual response when ever they are asked what they are doing.
If I was fan of another club coming on here for the first time, looking at opinions and read this thread, I would conclude that the biggest threat to the future of Coventry City is the Sky Blue Trust. So much anger and vitriol aimed at a small group of City fans. Far more anger in fact, than is aimed at the main threat to our future which is Sisu. It is funny but the small cartel on here who constantly snipe at the Trust all say, ”Yes, we all hate Sisu, but what about Wasps, CCC and the Trust.” There is a small acknowledgement that, yes, perhaps Fisher and friends haven’t really had the club’s best interests at heart,but never mind them what about everyone else?. The anger and hatred from the small group of 5 or 6 that keep attacking the Trust is in marked contrast to anything that they ever say about Sisu whose contribution to our demise is passed over with the glib comment, “Well yes, we all hate Sisu but what about....”
A lot is hinted about agendas, and why certain people pop up at a particular time to push this agenda or that agenda. I wonder why the Trust are such an agenda for the usual crew. After all, they are not a threat to the club. Sisu, however, who are the root cause of the predicament we are in and whose actions have brought Wasps into this story and forced CCC to act in the way they have, do not produce even a flicker of anger in comparison. ( that, by the way, is not me excusing Wasps, who are a franchise club and who shouldn’t be here, or CCC who seem to have
abandoned CCFC to their fate. Ultimately it is Sisu who have got them involved and made them such a negative influence on our future).
Surely it couldn’t be that our friends on here want to turn attention away from the real culprits of our problem by making the Trust out to be the real villains? Is that perhaps their agenda? Rather than spending so much time pointing out the shortcomings of the Trust, why not actually organise yourselves something that you think will help in this predicament. I don’t mean tell someone else to do it, you organise it, you do it. If you are convinced you have some answers, publicise and I am sure some of us would join in if we felt it would make a difference.
Let’’s be clear, if the Trust folded tomorrow and ceased to exist, (seeing the hatred towards them from a few on here, I wouldn’t blame the board members if they did give up), the very real problems that CCFC face, the threat to the actual existence of our club would still be here. The Trust are trying to do something, it may not be great, it may not affect the outcome, but they are at least trying. If they disappeared would their small group of detractors on here put their own ideas into action? It would be interesting to see. I wouldn’t hold my breath. I now await the usual response when ever they are asked what they are doing.
It is relevant presently as we are in a position where we might shortly have no choice but to ask to play outside the city. No doubt at this point there will be condemnation from the Trust as there was when we were in Northampton. They're not going to make a very convincing argument when all Fisher has to say is 'where is you similar condemnation of Wasps permanent move'.
Now that we have finished sucking cock and regurgitating who's to blame it's time to think about what we want, not in terms of Wasps and Sisu fucking off but the future of Coventry City.
i would like to express that whatever the outcome of the next few months will be our club will be damaged and I believe that we should be looking at damage limitation.
I would like to see us playing at the Ricoh on a medium term deal until a new ground is commissioned or a long term deal if one can be reached.
I would want us to work with all parties to ensure we do not have the Phoenix club scenario. All parties that have a stake in the City and the club should be working to make sure the club is viable in the interests of the city of Coventry.
The trust should be back channeling to develop positive relationships with all parties. I don't believe hate is the answer here but diplomacy and arbitration to create goodwill where it is absent with and from the owners.
All of us fans need to look in the mirror here, we have had a years notice from Wasps and the message has been "but they said the same thing last year" well I hope they do this year but I wouldn't hold your breath.
Our attempt at unity are shown up here as futile and whatever the slings and arrows you care to throw it only shows that we are happiest when we have somebody to blame and therefore we should happy as "pigs in shit" should the worst happen.
Rather than looking at the past it is clear to me,with the attitude of our owners as it is, iwe need to emphasize what unites us as a city in this year of city of sport and the upcoming city of culture and if we are to survive it we need to do more than bicker and support efforts to survive and not engage in our favorite sport of finger pointing.
Yes, they should absolutely condemn them for the role they are playing in the current impasse. But that is what we should focus on, not the fact they are here in the first place. As I've said before, I'd start with an open letter pointing out the repercussions if no deal is reached to Wasps and the City in general, and even offer to sit down with all parties. I'm not interested in what has happened in the past and what other protests have or haven't been planned, but this is how I'd approach it.
Yes, they should absolutely condemn them for the role they are playing in the current impasse. But that is what we should focus on, not the fact they are here in the first place. As I've said before, I'd start with an open letter pointing out the repercussions if no deal is reached to Wasps and the City in general, and even offer to sit down with all parties. I'm not interested in what has happened in the past and what other protests have or haven't been planned, but this is how I'd approach it.
Now that we have finished sucking cock and regurgitating who's to blame it's time to think about what we want, not in terms of Wasps and Sisu fucking off but the future of Coventry City.
i would like to express that whatever the outcome of the next few months will be our club will be damaged and I believe that we should be looking at damage limitation.
I would like to see us playing at the Ricoh on a medium term deal until a new ground is commissioned or a long term deal if one can be reached.
I would want us to work with all parties to ensure we do not have the Phoenix club scenario. All parties that have a stake in the City and the club should be working to make sure the club is viable in the interests of the city of Coventry.
The trust should be back channeling to develop positive relationships with all parties. I don't believe hate is the answer here but diplomacy and arbitration to create goodwill where it is absent with and from the owners.
All of us fans need to look in the mirror here, we have had a years notice from Wasps and the message has been "but they said the same thing last year" well I hope they do this year but I wouldn't hold your breath.
Our attempt at unity are shown up here as futile and whatever the slings and arrows you care to throw it only shows that we are happiest when we have somebody to blame and therefore we should happy as "pigs in shit" should the worst happen.
Rather than looking at the past it is clear to me,with the attitude of our owners as it is, iwe need to emphasize what unites us as a city in this year of city of sport and the upcoming city of culture and if we are to survive it we need to do more than bicker and support efforts to survive and not engage in our favorite sport of finger pointing.
The Trust are made up of ordinary people as far as I can see, jobs, families like most of us but they are pilloried even though they give up their time to try and help the club. As I said, if they fold the problems that our club face still exist. Why would you stating “Sisu Out” help me to understand?My agenda is keeping this club alive. I'm not in a position to help with this, the trust are but constantly do things that are counter productive, because of this they get criticised. Would you like me to end the post with 'SISU OUT!!!' to make it easier to understand?
The Trust are made up of ordinary people as far as I can see, jobs, families like most of us but they are pilloried even though they give up their time to try and help the club. As I said, if they fold the problems that our club face still exist. Why would you stating “Sisu Out” help me to understand?
Were Sisu wrong in moving CCFC to Northampton?
I assume you haven't read the thread? I assume you miss the bit I say pressure every side?The way some people talk it's like they are more interested in having a pop at Wasps than finding a way to help the club survive. I assume the only objective is to let Wasps know we hate them.
I assume you haven't read the thread? I assume you miss the bit I say pressure every side?
Not at all, we want wasps to consider it would be detrimental to kick the club out of a stadium that was built for said club.The way some people talk it's like they are more interested in having a pop at Wasps than finding a way to help the club survive. I assume the only objective is to let Wasps know we hate them.
Not at all, we want wasps to consider it would be detrimental to kick the club out of a stadium that was built for said club.
How do you do that while cuddling them and having secret meetings?And that's exactly what I've been saying we should do.
You have a monopoly on supporting the team? Funny, but for well over fifty years I have supported the team home and away. I will be at Luton and as always I will be shouting for our team to win. That doesn’t mean that if there is something organised by the Trust and I agree with it, I wouldn’t support that too. If I did join in it would be because I would hope it would hope it would help the future of our club. Is that wrong?I'll be supporting the team. What will you be doing?
Yes, holding that bit of paper up is going to change everything isn't it?You have a monopoly on supporting the team? Funny, but for well over fifty years I have supported the team home and away. I will be at Luton and as always I will be shouting for our team to win. That doesn’t mean that if there is something organised by the Trust and I agree with it, I wouldn’t support that too. If I did join in it would be because I would hope it would hope it would help the future of our club. Is that wrong?
I suggested oh here protesting at a Wasps game to show our plight. I would be up for that if you organise it.We protest at MK Dons, have a love in with AFC Wimbledon, derided and vocifirously derided the club in Northampton. But we have to pussy foot around Wasps.
Remember the same shit Northampton fans even the club were given by us when they let us play there? They had the same situation as Wasps, why are wasps given a free ride
Double bingo there.I suggested oh here protesting at a Wasps game to show our plight. I would be up for that if you organise it.
But sitting on your arse and sniping at a group who are no harm to the club will change things? I wonder what your agenda is?Yes, holding that bit of paper up is going to change everything isn't it?
I'll await a bingo reply
My agenda is ccfc.But sitting on your arse and sniping at a group who are no harm to the club will change things? I wonder what your agenda is?
We protest at MK Dons, have a love in with AFC Wimbledon, derided and vocifirously derided the club in Northampton. But we have to pussy foot around Wasps.
Remember the same shit Northampton fans even the club were given by us when they let us play there? They had the same situation as Wasps, why are wasps given a free ride
An open letter to Wasps explaining the potential consequences of their stance and the effect it would have on the City they have adopted would be a good starter for ten.
How do you do that while cuddling them and having secret meetings?
Obviously. And I don't like the fact Wasps are here, but going and poking them with that stick (directly) would be counterproductive.
My question to you - would you rather we told them they aren't welcome here at the expense of being able to stay at the Ricoh? Or would you rather tolerate them for the sake of keeping our club alive?
That is not to say you don't make it clear to them the repercussions of their part in CCFC having to move (or worse) could be.
I think you need to have a look at the different between pilloried and constructiveness
Was it constructive conversation with Haskell and ACL?I've not said they should. Constructive conversation is different to "cuddling and secret meetings".
Why don’t you organise it? You have the platform.Double bingo there.
Why wouldn't the trust organise it?:
Instead of wasting your time endlessly pointing out how useless the Trust are and how they keep ignoring all of the ideas generated on here, why don’t you for once, stop carping and actually start to organise and do these things yourself. You have a platform here. You have people who listen and agree with you. If others saw the value in what you are doing, they could see it would benefit the club, they would join in. I would myself.
I await the usual “bingo” response.
Because I'm not the fans group claiming to represent fans with links to journalists am I? I can't get media coverage, I've tried before when i was pushing the tifosy thingWhy don’t you organise it? You have the platform.
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