You should catch some internal flights in Russia.
I think one plane I was on was nearly 60 years old and all the bolts into the fuselage were rattling in the cabin as we flew
You have asked for the vegetarian or vegan offering hahahaAeroflot is certainly an interesting experience - even the air hostesses are dressed like they are in the Russian military. It made me laugh when they came round with food. "Do you want meat or fish?" When I asked what the meat was - the answer - "its meat" - I didn't bother asking what the fish was. I think it has swam in waters near Cherynobel.
Internal flights in Africa are a joyous experience
Highly unlikely, almost impossible to do in-flight so I understand. And the senior pilot was very experienced.
Wasn’t there an incident where a passenger plane was deliberately crashed into a mountain?I'm struggling with the theory some are throwing out on twitter that the co-pilot has done this as part of a suicide bid. Nobody is taking down an entire plane with them.
Surely got to be some sort of malfunction given the flight recorder contains audio of it being questioned why it was off and seemingly indicating neither the pilot or co-pilot did it.
But would anyone be surprised if this gave the airline and manufacturer a convenient means to blame someone who can't defend themselves?
Wasn’t there an incident where a passenger plane was deliberately crashed into a mountain?
I'm struggling with the theory some are throwing out on twitter that the co-pilot has done this as part of a suicide bid. Nobody is taking down an entire plane with them.
Would probably need to hear the recording to see the tone of how ‘I didn’t turn it off’ was said and what followed it but I agree with you, my gut feeling is he did it deliberately.The news from the preliminary report is pretty concerning. I don't think anyone had this on their bingo card.
The fuel supply was switched off at the most critical time, when the aircraft was at its most vulnerable period in flight, but this isn't something that can really be done by mistake. The Honeywell switches which determine the on/off fuel supply to the engines are designed to need to be pulled and twisted out. It isn't like you could just knock them by accident. They are specifically built with the idea that you need some technique to use them.
At this stage it is the most likely outcome that it was done deliberately, but then if you are going to take your own life in such fashion, it is quite strange to either ask the other pilot why he switched the fuel off, or indeed respond that you didn't do it. Not that of course means one of them was trying to make it look like it wasn't the case. I am still pretty suspicious about all of this, and wouldn't exactly rule out some kind of malfunction, although it would be pretty unlikely. All I can say is that something is very off about all of this.
Need to wait for the full report, which is going to take a long time. I really feel for the families who will only have more questions than they did before, and are no closer to getting any closure as to what happened.
Happened numerous times hasn't it?I'm struggling with the theory some are throwing out on twitter that the co-pilot has done this as part of a suicide bid. Nobody is taking down an entire plane with them.
Surely got to be some sort of malfunction given the flight recorder contains audio of it being questioned why it was off and seemingly indicating neither the pilot or co-pilot did it.
But would anyone be surprised if this gave the airline and manufacturer a convenient means to blame someone who can't defend themselves?
Yes, that was a few years ago wasn't it, in Europe somewhere maybe southern France?Wasn’t there an incident where a passenger plane was deliberately crashed into a mountain?
Yes, that was a few years ago wasn't it, in Europe somewhere maybe southern France?
I'm struggling with the theory some are throwing out on twitter that the co-pilot has done this as part of a suicide bid. Nobody is taking down an entire plane with them.
Surely got to be some sort of malfunction given the flight recorder contains audio of it being questioned why it was off and seemingly indicating neither the pilot or co-pilot did it.
But would anyone be surprised if this gave the airline and manufacturer a convenient means to blame someone who can't defend themselves?
Statistically it’s very safe compared to other forms of transport. You’re much more likely to be killed in a car crash.German wings 2015
MH370 (Most Probable)
Royal Air Maroc 1994
Egypt air - 1999
All pilot murder-suicide, so yes it does happen.
Its what frightens me the most about air travel, not mechanical issues, but a pilot whos decided hes going to crash the thing. There's absolutely nothing anyone can do and it must be the most terrifying last few minutes of anyone's life
I've been reading into this a fair bit and 99% of pilots on social media have all said that sadly this was done intentionally. There's no way you can accidentally flick 1 fuel cut off switch accidentally, let alone 2
Read a lot about a 'cover up' but again, cant see it. Does anyone really think the NTSB of America wouldn't think twice about grounding Dreamliners if they thought there was a manufacturing issue? They did it with the 737 Max as soon as they found out about the software
Statistically it’s very safe compared to other forms of transport. You’re much more likely to be killed in a car crash.
Surely this is hyperbole?I've been reading into this a fair bit and 99% of pilots on social media have all said that sadly this was done intentionally.
Surely this is hyperbole?
The fact this crash happened so soon after takeoff suggests to me that the pilot suicide theory may not be all that likely.
Surely you can only do it onceIt has been done numerous times.
So it was an image generated by ChatGPT then?See the photo of the switches I posted earlier.
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I think it's legit even though it as posted on a twitter account.So it was an image generated by ChatGPT then?
If you were a pilot intent on killing yourself, why would you sabotage the plane at a survivable altitude?Nope
Have a Google, and a search through socials
Pilot suicide is now the main theory. And given they've had all the evidence for a month and have been.able to publish a 50 page document supporting this theory, id say thats what happened
You have a pilot flying, and pilot monitoring on all flights.
If the pilot flying didnt see the pilot monitoring flick the switches (as there is no visual reference on take off just sky), the first sign for them will be hearing the switches being flicked and the engines spool back
He would then instantly of course check fuel cut off switch. Upon noticing this one of the pilots said, according to the cockpit voice recorder ' why DID you cut the fuel' not 'the fuel is cut' or 'have you seen the fuels cut' it was 'why did you'
Pilot flying has clearly seen it out of the corner of his eye, questioned it, and then its all unravelled from there
If you were a pilot intent on killing yourself, why would you sabotage the plane at a survivable altitude?
Who survives a plane crash from 37,000 feet? As opposed to this crash where someone did indeed survive.Its absolutely laden with jet fuel going at 200 plus MPH at the time it takes off. A lot more chance of doing it at that point than cruising 37000 feet up
I mean, the pilots died.If you were a pilot intent on killing yourself, why would you sabotage the plane at a survivable altitude?
But why take the chance? And why do it right after takeoff when your co-pilot is right there?I mean, the pilots died.
But why take the chance? And why do it right after takeoff when your co-pilot is right there?
Not saying it’s impossible that it was deliberate, just find the certainty surprising.
Sad as it is, previous pilot suicides on commercial flights appear to have been very carefully planned out. Not sure if this one fits the pattern. Someone with more knowledge can tell me why I’m wrong.If that was the case and the pilot did that. I'm not sure logic comes into it much in that frame of mind.
Leaving the other pilot far too little time to correct the situation. Only one person survived.If you were a pilot intent on killing yourself, why would you sabotage the plane at a survivable altitude?
Who survives a plane crash from 37,000 feet? As opposed to this crash where someone did indeed survive.
This flight didn’t even make it to 700 feet. The switch in question was operated less than 15 seconds after takeoff. Just doesn’t strike me as the optimum time to ensure a (for want of a better word) ‘successful’ suicide, but there we are.one person survived at 33,000 feet
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