air india plane to gatwick crashed (3 Viewers)

[Grendel]

You should catch some internal flights in Russia.

I think one plane I was on was nearly 60 years old and all the bolts into the fuselage were rattling in the cabin as we flew

Aeroflot is certainly an interesting experience - even the air hostesses are dressed like they are in the Russian military. It made me laugh when they came round with food. "Do you want meat or fish?" When I asked what the meat was - the answer - "its meat" - I didn't bother asking what the fish was. I think it has swam in waters near Cherynobel.

Internal flights in Africa are a joyous experience

 

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[Sick Boy]

Aeroflot is certainly an interesting experience - even the air hostesses are dressed like they are in the Russian military. It made me laugh when they came round with food. "Do you want meat or fish?" When I asked what the meat was - the answer - "its meat" - I didn't bother asking what the fish was. I think it has swam in waters near Cherynobel.

Internal flights in Africa are a joyous experience

You have asked for the vegetarian or vegan offering hahaha

 

[Blind-Faith]

Another flight yesterday had to be turned around and landed, same kind of plane.

A flight today has also been cancelled using the same route and plane. Starting to look a little bit weird to me? Something going on?

 

[RegTheDonk]

Would this be pilot error? Did one of them throw the wrong switches?

BBC

 

[fatso]

Would this be pilot error? Did one of them throw the wrong switches?

BBC

Highly unlikely, almost impossible to do in-flight so I understand. And the senior pilot was very experienced.

I wouldn't be surprised if they look to blame the pilots though, they're both dead and can't defend themselves, and it would get the airline off the hook.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

The news from the preliminary report is pretty concerning. I don't think anyone had this on their bingo card.

The fuel supply was switched off at the most critical time, when the aircraft was at its most vulnerable period in flight, but this isn't something that can really be done by mistake. The Honeywell switches which determine the on/off fuel supply to the engines are designed to need to be pulled and twisted out. It isn't like you could just knock them by accident. They are specifically built with the idea that you need some technique to use them.

At this stage it is the most likely outcome that it was done deliberately, but then if you are going to take your own life in such fashion, it is quite strange to either ask the other pilot why he switched the fuel off, or indeed respond that you didn't do it. Not that of course means one of them was trying to make it look like it wasn't the case. I am still pretty suspicious about all of this, and wouldn't exactly rule out some kind of malfunction, although it would be pretty unlikely. All I can say is that something is very off about all of this.

Need to wait for the full report, which is going to take a long time. I really feel for the families who will only have more questions than they did before, and are no closer to getting any closure as to what happened.

 

[chiefdave]

I'm struggling with the theory some are throwing out on twitter that the co-pilot has done this as part of a suicide bid. Nobody is taking down an entire plane with them.

Surely got to be some sort of malfunction given the flight recorder contains audio of it being questioned why it was off and seemingly indicating neither the pilot or co-pilot did it.

But would anyone be surprised if this gave the airline and manufacturer a convenient means to blame someone who can't defend themselves?

 

[shepardo01]

Read somewhere there was a known issue with the switches.

 

[Sick Boy]

I'm struggling with the theory some are throwing out on twitter that the co-pilot has done this as part of a suicide bid. Nobody is taking down an entire plane with them.

Surely got to be some sort of malfunction given the flight recorder contains audio of it being questioned why it was off and seemingly indicating neither the pilot or co-pilot did it.

But would anyone be surprised if this gave the airline and manufacturer a convenient means to blame someone who can't defend themselves?

Wasn’t there an incident where a passenger plane was deliberately crashed into a mountain?

 

[Grendel]

Wasn’t there an incident where a passenger plane was deliberately crashed into a mountain?

Yes - suicide does happen

 

[PVA]

I'm struggling with the theory some are throwing out on twitter that the co-pilot has done this as part of a suicide bid. Nobody is taking down an entire plane with them.

It has been done numerous times.

Seems fairly likely that MH370 was as well.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The news from the preliminary report is pretty concerning. I don't think anyone had this on their bingo card.

The fuel supply was switched off at the most critical time, when the aircraft was at its most vulnerable period in flight, but this isn't something that can really be done by mistake. The Honeywell switches which determine the on/off fuel supply to the engines are designed to need to be pulled and twisted out. It isn't like you could just knock them by accident. They are specifically built with the idea that you need some technique to use them.

At this stage it is the most likely outcome that it was done deliberately, but then if you are going to take your own life in such fashion, it is quite strange to either ask the other pilot why he switched the fuel off, or indeed respond that you didn't do it. Not that of course means one of them was trying to make it look like it wasn't the case. I am still pretty suspicious about all of this, and wouldn't exactly rule out some kind of malfunction, although it would be pretty unlikely. All I can say is that something is very off about all of this.

Need to wait for the full report, which is going to take a long time. I really feel for the families who will only have more questions than they did before, and are no closer to getting any closure as to what happened.

Would probably need to hear the recording to see the tone of how ‘I didn’t turn it off’ was said and what followed it but I agree with you, my gut feeling is he did it deliberately.

 

[TomRad85]

I'm struggling with the theory some are throwing out on twitter that the co-pilot has done this as part of a suicide bid. Nobody is taking down an entire plane with them.

Surely got to be some sort of malfunction given the flight recorder contains audio of it being questioned why it was off and seemingly indicating neither the pilot or co-pilot did it.

But would anyone be surprised if this gave the airline and manufacturer a convenient means to blame someone who can't defend themselves?

Happened numerous times hasn't it?
I have huge sympathy for anyone struggling to the point they would consider taking their own life, but if you take a plane full of people with you, you are simply a monster. I really hope it has another explanation but its not looking good.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Wasn’t there an incident where a passenger plane was deliberately crashed into a mountain?

Yes, that was a few years ago wasn't it, in Europe somewhere maybe southern France?

 

[Grendel]

Yes, that was a few years ago wasn't it, in Europe somewhere maybe southern France?

Yes the difference normally is though there is only one pilot in the cockpit. He locked the other one out.

 

[Captain Dart]

I'm struggling with the theory some are throwing out on twitter that the co-pilot has done this as part of a suicide bid. Nobody is taking down an entire plane with them.

Surely got to be some sort of malfunction given the flight recorder contains audio of it being questioned why it was off and seemingly indicating neither the pilot or co-pilot did it.

But would anyone be surprised if this gave the airline and manufacturer a convenient means to blame someone who can't defend themselves?