Houchens Head
Fairly well known member from Malvern
Makes you wonder......
Been a lot of stuff about Boeing since the 'merger' with mcDonnell Douglas. Apparently the entire ethos of the company was taken over by the MD board, which focused heavily on stock price and shareholder value.Stuff coming out of India saying that the purchase by Tata in 2022 has been followed by numerous cost-cutting measures (which *could* involve maintenance and safety checks, of course). Owned 75% by Tata and 25% Singapore Airlines.
Interesting that Singapore use Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 engines to power their Dreamliner fleet, while their subsidiary Air India use GEnx.
Been a lot of stuff about Boeing since the 'merger' with mcDonnell Douglas. Apparently the entire ethos of the company was taken over by the MD board, which focused heavily on stock price and shareholder value.
Rumour had it they spent more on share buybacks to keep the stock price high than they did on R&D.
Terrible that this should be your first thought.
I like successfully landing.Agree, once i'm up i'm generally fairly calm, although all it takes is a bit of turbulence to send me again. I actually like landing.
You should catch some internal flights in Russia.Only time I’ve been scared flying was an internal US flight on what felt like something Indiana Jones used to escape the Temple of Doom, I swear you could see sky through the floor. Big airliners you just feel like you’re in a shit coach, I seem to completely detach from the reality of what’s going on and it’s fine. Which is weird cos I’m a massive coward and scared of heights generally.
Loved that novel in my younger days. Dean Koontz did something similar.Or a novel by James Herbert actually called The Survivor
Utter arseholes.
Common theory is that the flaps were raised instead of the gear, explaining the characteristics of the way it went down as it did.
If so that's a monumental error. The flaps lever and the gear up/down lever on modern planes are intentionally far apart. One on the centre console between pilots, one on the dash
Presumably woke now means anyone who isn't a bellend.
They found the flight recorder.Suppose flight recorder might indicate a few things. If it’s pilot error vs aircraft fault we all know what Boeing will go with. Experienced pilots are guessing that was the issue as it might explain the gear not going up and the direction of the nose and loss of airspeed.
Could also just be complete electronic failure
Really stupid question. But why are plane controls so complex? I’ve flown a very small plane once and didn’t look at more than a handful of them, but the whole thing seems miles behind even a budget car in 2025. Like my Dads Zoe fights me if I try and cross a lane, but a passenger jet will let you nosedive into the ground?
I thought everything was done by computer these days, the landing gear, the flaps etc. Could be a computer error
Thanks for your insight. I've watched enough episodes of Air Crash Investigation to know that no stone will be left unturned, and the data they can get out of the FDR and CVR is so comprehensive. The answer will come pretty quickly, i would imagine. Problem is the Americans will want to be involved as it was a Boeing. Just hope there isn't a cover-up as a result.
This shows a normal takeoff for a 787 (albeit a slightly different model - the 900 rather than 800 from the Air India crash).
Configuration of flaps is done pre-take off, and will be done on an electronic checklist based on weather, weight of the aircraft, and runway length etc. If this is not correct on take off roll, the plane knows that you are trying to take off and will scream at you.
Pulling up the gear is something a pilot can do in their sleep. It is done manually and something only done following an announcement and confirmation of a positive climb rate. It is the first thing you do once airborne.
The fact the gear never came up could be due to the co-pilot not doing it, or it could be because there was alarm bells going off in the cockpit that indicated something was drastically wrong after v1 decision point. Perhaps even there was a total power failure which meant it wasn't possible to retract the gear.
The flight recorders will answer such questions fairly quickly I would think.
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