Adam johnson ( nottingham panthers ) dies in freak accident (4 Viewers)

[chiefdave]

From a NHL game last night

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

From a NHL game last night

Interesting
Evidence for the defence

 

[chiefdave]

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I’m surprised. clearly not deliberate but the action feels a bit mamslaughtery

 

[rob9872]

I’m surprised. clearly not deliberate but the action feels a bit mamslaughtery

He killed his mum too?

 

[chiefdave]

I’m surprised. clearly not deliberate but the action feels a bit mamslaughtery

Someone at a game the other night commented who first stepped on the ice and thought attaching sharp blades to your feet was a good idea.

I guess there’s a point where if you’re taking part in an inherently dangerous activity you’re accepting the risk. Although I think this tragedy made a lot of players consider a potential outcome they’d never thought possible.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Someone at a game the other night commented who first stepped on the ice and thought attaching sharp blades to your feet was a good idea.

I guess there’s a point where if you’re taking part in an inherently dangerous activity you’re accepting the risk. Although I think this tragedy made a lot of players consider a potential outcome they’d never thought possible.

Realy good point aswell

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I’m surprised. clearly not deliberate but the action feels a bit mamslaughtery

It’s a contact sport and this an inherent risk unfortunately. They can wear neck guards but don’t tend to.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It’s a contact sport and this an inherent risk unfortunately. They can wear neck guards but don’t tend to.

If you took a blade to someone’s neck and inadvertently sliced their throat open, how would that be seen?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

If you took a blade to someone’s neck and inadvertently sliced their throat open, how would that be seen?

You’d have to consider what the intent for starters. In the scenario you describe, it’s difficult to imagine how you’d ’inadvertently’ slice someone’s throat open.

I’ve partaken in contact sports like rugby and judo so know a thing or two about the forces involved in these types of sport… I couldn’t imagine what that would be like doing that on ice skates in an ice rink.

Unless you can prove that someone went out with the intention to kill someone on the ice rink, you can’t convict someone and have to accept that this is a tragic accident that is an inherent risk unfortunately.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You’d have to consider what the intent for starters. In the scenario you describe, it’s difficult to imagine how you’d ’inadvertently’ slice someone’s throat open.

I’ve partaken in contact sports like rugby and judo so know a thing or two about the forces involved in these types of sport… I couldn’t imagine what that would be like doing that on ice skates in an ice rink.

Unless you can prove that someone went out with the intention to kill someone on the ice rink, you can’t convict someone and have to accept that this is a tragic accident that is an inherent risk unfortunately.

Manslaughter is nothing to do with intent.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Manslaughter is nothing to do with intent.

Two questions:

1) Do you think the man should be sent to prison for a freak accident?

2) Why do you think the CPS decided against pressing charges?

It is an inherent risk of the game that you can get lacerated with the ice skates that is a fundamental requirement to play the game.

 

[chiefdave]

It’s a contact sport and this an inherent risk unfortunately. They can wear neck guards but don’t tend to.

This is where there should be a change. Still not mandatory in many leagues. But we’re talking about a sport where visors have only been in use a few years.

Think about footballers and their laughably small shin guards, the reality is a lot of professional athletes choose not to wear all the available protection because they believe it impedes their performance.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

This is where there should be a change. Still not mandatory in many leagues. But we’re talking about a sport where visors have only been in use a few years.

Think about footballers and their laughably small shin guards, the reality is a lot of professional athletes choose not to wear all the available protection because they believe it impedes their performance.

Great point

 

[Grendel]

Manslaughter is nothing to do with intent.

Do you think the CPS were wrong?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Two questions:

1) Do you think the man should be sent to prison for a freak accident?

2) Why do you think the CPS decided against pressing charges?

It is an inherent risk of the game that you can get lacerated with the ice skates that is a fundamental requirement to play the game.

I genuinely don’t know where I stand on it. It’s in a grey area for me a bit beyond the incident where Phil Hughes died from a freak bouncer in cricket. If you intend just to hurt someone as this chap did, but end up killing them, it looks more like manslaughter than not.

Perhaps the CPS thought so too but didn’t feel secure enough in getting a conviction.

 

[Grendel]

I genuinely don’t know where I stand on it. It’s in a grey area for me a bit beyond the incident where Phil Hughes died from a freak bouncer in cricket. If you intend just to hurt someone as this chap did, but end up killing them, it looks more like manslaughter than not.

Perhaps the CPS thought so too but didn’t feel secure enough in getting a conviction.

you can kill someone by accident

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

you can kill someone by accident

I feel this lies in a grey area based on what he did to inflict the injury. If an Australian batsman had been killed in the Bodyline series it’d be in a similar category for me.

 

[Grendel]

I feel this lies in a grey area based on what he did to inflict the injury. If an Australian batsman had been killed in the Bodyline series it’d be in a similar category for me.

What about deaths in boxing then?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

What about deaths in boxing then?

That’s a sport where one of the main features is punching your opponent in the head. If you know there’s a razor sharp blade on your skate and you aim it at someone’s head…as I say, I can see strong arguments for it which don’t necessarily apply to other sports.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

That’s a sport where one of the main features is punching your opponent in the head. If you know there’s a razor sharp blade on your skate and you aim it at someone’s head…as I say, I can see strong arguments for it which don’t necessarily apply to other sports.

The sport involves you checking people going at quick speeds and throwing your body at people. There be situations where you lose control of your body.

People who have never played a contact sport like rugby, American football, ice hockey or martial arts may not understand what that’s like.

This is where there should be a change. Still not mandatory in many leagues. But we’re talking about a sport where visors have only been in use a few years.

Think about footballers and their laughably small shin guards, the reality is a lot of professional athletes choose not to wear all the available protection because they believe it impedes their performance.

Exactly, if individuals want to risk their lives by not wearing the protective equipment available, let them. They know the risks.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The sport involves you checking people going at quick speeds and throwing your body at people. There be situations where you lose control of your body.

People who have never played a contact sport like rugby, American football, ice hockey or martial arts may not understand what that’s like.



Exactly, if individuals want to risk their lives by not wearing the protective equipment available, let them. They know the risks.

Does it look like he's lost control of his body or that he's tried to kung fu kick his opponent?

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

Does it look like he's lost control of his body or that he's tried to kung fu kick his opponent?

100% lost control of his body. It looks like he bumped into player in front of him before his leg swings up. It’s on an unstable surface and they’re going at impressive speeds with blades for shoes.

Try rugby tackling someone running at you at full speed and then imagine that same scenario on ice. It’s a contact sport so the ‘intent’ is to obviously hurt them but there’s nothing to suggest the player recklessly kung fu kicks the other in what would be negligence and deliberate foul play. It’s a tragic ‘freak’ accident that is an occupational hazard. He’s not the first place to have this injury nor will it be the last unfortunately.

Look at this incident here, he gets hit at hip level and the guy who was checked has absolutely no control of the leg that hit the helmet of the other player.

From a NHL game last night

 

[shmmeee]

Manslaughter is nothing to do with intent.

Requires gross negligence tho.

 

[fatso]

That’s a sport where one of the main features is punching your opponent in the head. If you know there’s a razor sharp blade on your skate and you aim it at someone’s head…as I say, I can see strong arguments for it which don’t necessarily apply to other sports.

What about MMA where you tone your whole body to be a fighting machine, and then deliberately kick someone in the head?

The feet and shin bones of MMA fighters are hardened by years of hitting heavy bags in the gym.

Rugby has banned "head high" challenges, and yet MMA fighters kick each other in the head, it seams bizarre.