clint van damme
Well-Known Member
It's definitely not clear, nothing in this saga is, apart from there will be no new ground.
That's abundantly clear.
Not clear, but it doesn't bode well, does it.
Wasps don't want to talk, SISU don't want to build, council want to wash their hands of it all.
So we need Wasps to go pop before we do and, even if they do, we then need whoever then owns the lease on the Ricoh to want to sell it to our owners.
Or... we fall into serious difficulty, and end up back not on our terms, but because we have no choice. At that stage, we're then treading water before the next crisis.
Would you like to respond with some direct comments in relation to the post? Your comments seem to be insults with no explanations as to what I have said that is not correct. If the way I write frustrated you I am sorry but it's a view that you are very welcome to disagree with or challenge.What kind of ludicrous pompous bollocks is this?
Top message board posting tbf, sure I've engaged in plenty of it, but my word... you really are coming across like something of an absolute arse.
Would you like to respond with some direct comments in relation to the post? Your comments seem to be insults with no explanations as to what I have said that is not correct. If the way I write frustrated you I am sorry but it's a view that you are very welcome to disagree with or challenge.
Word to the wise. Nobody is going to change their mind because some jumped up fans tell them to. Decisions have been made, I’m not sure why a post like that would help at all.
Oh the irony.If the cap fits ware it
He has more than 1 right. Not sure why that’s relevant.yes and your right
You really are an absoluter buffoon who clearly can't see when you're being as dense as a toad, without the intellect. The insults are only in response to your own and if you can't see them, you're a clueless halfwit.
Nope, just huge collectives.I have not insulted anyone specifically.
Feel I might have touched the fragile ego of a person with a chronic superiority complex. I respect your view and don't feel the need to call you names.Oh the irony.
The whole point is you don't respect others' view. Instead you make horrendously pompous denigrating statements.I respect your view and don't feel the need to call you names.
I get the sense yourself and northern wisdom could have taken my comments personally. If the cap fits ware it or share it between you.
You state that decisions have been made in a way that you feel they can't be changed?
Why not?
Do you think abstaining now in 2019 given what we know is objectively justified?
If so pleased to hear why.
More bad faith than the council selling to wasps in the first place?
Wasps don't want to talk, SISU don't want to build, council want to wash their hands of it all.
Wasps bought the stadium in 2014. SISU have been deliberately mismanaging the club since 2007.
SISU stated withholding rent in 2012. The court's verdict on this action is clearly damning:
“Sisu distressed the financial position of ACL by refusing to pay ACL any rent or licence fee,” the judge found. “... It had the effect of reducing the value of the share in ACL that Sisu coveted. Sisu’s strategy of distressing ACL’s financial position ... was quite deliberate.”
Wasps came into the picture - the courts have repeatedly found that all action taken by CCC and Wasps were found to be above board. So as the clock ran down on the contract negotiated when city returned from Northampton, SISU again, deliberately took action to ensure we would not be playing at Ricoh.
SISU have acted in bad faith since the very start.
Wasps and CCC have stated they will talk on the condition that SISU stop this wild goose chase. SISU have yet to understand that if they want to buy any land in Coventry to build this phantom stadium they will need to talk to the group they are currently complaining against to the EC. You know if someone is constantly taking me to court, (while repeatedly losing) and then comes up to me asking to buy my land, do you know, I don't think my reply would be very friendly. Funny that.
Keep up, that was their old demand. The club met that so they changed it.Wasps and CCC have stated they will talk on the condition that SISU stop this wild goose chase.
So you are suggesting the council will act illegally on the basis that they are worried they may get found out by an EU Investigation?
That’s some accusation. Do you have any evidence?
Keep up, that was their old demand. The club met that so they changed it.
Given what we know? Not sure what any one St Andrews follower would know more of than someone who doesn’t.
2013 I think was the the start of their new stadium plan, with ZERO fruition 6 years on. Think people will blindly follow another “temporary” relocation in another City, based on nothing but hope that the European Commission will find something naughty that our shareholders served domestic courts with time and again - and were thrown out likewise?
If you need to tell us fans who don’t go that you’re a real fan just to make you feel better, then the problem really is yours. I’ll ‘abstain’, as you call it, until I see genuine progress on getting us back to that new fairytale stadium in Coventry.
Check item 2 of your initial comment regarding IQ’s. Personally I’m not insulted, the ignorance made me laugh. But if you think that kind of comment works as encouragement to get more people to Birmingham, then you’re more daft than your post suggested.
In the very vast majority of cases, from what I’ve seen, those of us who do not go have come to accept that people are going to SA. But I’m still seeing plenty of resentment from the other side of the fence. I’m afraid the superiority complex is certainly yours. :emoji_thumbsup:
It wasn't offered those terms. SISU had ruffled elected members and public servants feathers to the extent the Council sort revenge by bringing a franchise club into the City as a two fingers to sisu and in doing so the club. Even if state aid was not used, morally this was a very low blow and I am shocked if a fan on here does feel bitter that this was done.When was ccfc offered the stadium for £5mill + ACL debit, we was never offered that good a deal but an out of town rugby club was was
Wasps bought the stadium in 2014. SISU have been deliberately mismanaging the club since 2007.
SISU stated withholding rent in 2012. The court's verdict on this action is clearly damning:
“Sisu distressed the financial position of ACL by refusing to pay ACL any rent or licence fee,” the judge found. “... It had the effect of reducing the value of the share in ACL that Sisu coveted. Sisu’s strategy of distressing ACL’s financial position ... was quite deliberate.”
Wasps came into the picture - the courts have repeatedly found that all action taken by CCC and Wasps were found to be above board. So as the clock ran down on the contract negotiated when city returned from Northampton, SISU again, deliberately took action to ensure we would not be playing at Ricoh.
SISU have acted in bad faith since the very start.
Wasps and CCC have stated they will talk on the condition that SISU stop this wild goose chase. SISU have yet to understand that if they want to buy any land in Coventry to build this phantom stadium they will need to talk to the group they are currently complaining against to the EC. You know if someone is constantly taking me to court, (while repeatedly losing) and then comes up to me asking to buy my land, do you know, I don't think my reply would be very friendly. Funny that.
I think £1.3 million a year rent was distressing CCFC financially. And a councillor said there was still a route to ownership when we came back from Sixfields. Weeks later came the sale to wasps. That’s bad faith whether legal or not.Wasps bought the stadium in 2014. SISU have been deliberately mismanaging the club since 2007.
SISU stated withholding rent in 2012. The court's verdict on this action is clearly damning:
“Sisu distressed the financial position of ACL by refusing to pay ACL any rent or licence fee,” the judge found. “... It had the effect of reducing the value of the share in ACL that Sisu coveted. Sisu’s strategy of distressing ACL’s financial position ... was quite deliberate.”
Wasps came into the picture - the courts have repeatedly found that all action taken by CCC and Wasps were found to be above board. So as the clock ran down on the contract negotiated when city returned from Northampton, SISU again, deliberately took action to ensure we would not be playing at Ricoh.
SISU have acted in bad faith since the very start.
Wasps and CCC have stated they will talk on the condition that SISU stop this wild goose chase. SISU have yet to understand that if they want to buy any land in Coventry to build this phantom stadium they will need to talk to the group they are currently complaining against to the EC. You know if someone is constantly taking me to court, (while repeatedly losing) and then comes up to me asking to buy my land, do you know, I don't think my reply would be very friendly. Funny that.
Endorse!!!!! No one isAnyways back on topic-no. Still away games only and won’t jump on the bandwagon. I’m sorry, still can’t endorse the move to Birmingham by going to “home games” and being moved out of the city for a second time.
Sisu have already agreed to drop court matters, iirc.It’s a tough one. I personally refused to get a season ticket as it just felt wrong we were having to play outside the city again, even though I live in Birmingham so it’s about a third of the travel time. I did however accept that the circumstances were a little different to the sixfields debacle.
I’ve subsequently been to all the league games I could and watched a couple of others on ifollow. I’m weird I know.....but I’m literally torn !
I don’t have an issue with those choosing not to go and support their principles (wish I could be as strong)
If/when the EC complaint gets resolved then I would hope/expect SISU to agree to drop other court matters and seek a new lease at the Ricoh. If not, and there is no sign of a new stadium (let’s be honest, I’m not convinced there is any intention to build one), then I would have to re-evaluate.
I think £1.3 million a year rent was distressing CCFC financially. And a councillor said there was still a route to ownership when we came back from Sixfields. Weeks later came the sale to wasps. That’s bad faith whether legal or not.
Go back to your wasps and council chums.
Their remit is to create a prosperous city and that includes sporting clubs, not least as they bring in vital revenue for local businesses.
When a council is using it's position of power in any part due to personal reasons it is not acting within it's remit.
Ain't wasps also owned by a hedge fund? What makes that hedge fund so much more preferable r-dude?This claim £1.3 million a year in rent was distressing CCFC finacially doesn't hold up when comparing the losses SISU amassed in chasing promotion. When we actually moved to the Ricoh we were a Championship club.
As stated by the courts: “Sisu had no strategy for maintaining a sustainable football club, except one which involved the purchase, at a knockdown price, of at least a 50% share in ACL and thus the Arena” and the purchase of ACL’s bank loan, also “at a knockdown price”. Trying to secure those aims at the lowest cost, Sisu stopped paying the rent, doing so for the last time in March 2012.
SISU's decision to stop paying rent was a deliberate move to buy the ground for a cheaper price, not because of the cost of the rent. SISU could have paid up the rent and then re-negotiated a deal matching then-current circumstances. It did not.
One councillor does not make up the entire council. Is it really any surprise that the Council lost trust in SISU?
SISU have acted in bad faith from the very start.
"Go back to your wasps and council chums"
How very friendly.
Except SISU is not a sporting club. It is a hedge fund. Prosperity also involves rejecting decisions that will hinder or harm. I believe SISU will harm as evidenced by their poor management of this football club.
Wasps are no better than Sisu.
So it’s fine for wasps to get the stadium for knockdown price but not us, the best we were offered was 50% for more then they got the hole thing for,
They gave a sweetheart deal to an opportunist London sporting franchise. It was a deal we were not offered. Not withstanding the fact the organisation who did this were government ie who have a remit to look after the City and residents. Crucially, not a plc who can do what they like to whom they like.
These actions have put the club to a large extent in the situation we are now.
Ain't wasps also owned by a hedge fund? What makes that hedge fund so much more preferable r-dude?
Rockdude some merits in what you say about SISU and bad faith approaches. These tactics are quite common in most businesses transactions. Trying to gain a competitive advantage.
Where the issue becomes so very wrong is what the Council did as a result of our owners "acting in bad faith". They gave a sweetheart deal to an opportunist London sporting franchise. It was a deal we were not offered. Not withstanding the fact the organisation who did this were government ie who have a remit to look after the City and residents. Crucially, not a plc who can do what they like to whom they like.
These actions have put the club to a large extent in the situation we are now.
Alternatively Sisu policy could have been a direct effect of councils position.It might be argued that the councils position was a direct effect of SISU policy (Causal).. doesn't make it right I agree.
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