60,000 sign petition for Sheff Utd not to re-sign a player, how have we got so less? (1 Viewer)

Deleted member 5849 · Aug 13, 2014

shmmeee said:
To be fair, there's plenty of instances of girls making up rape claims, and there's an entire industry around kiss and tell and footballers.

But the guy was convicted, so... Then again, as I said with King. If you want to punish them for life, make that the sentence, otherwise society has a role to play in rehabilitating offenders.

Which is fine... if they accept their guilt.

Have nothing against people who make mistakes and want to move on. People who make mistakes and protest otherwise however...

fernandopartridge · Aug 13, 2014

shmmeee said:
because it's easy to get people to sign a petition against a rapist on the internet.

If we're going to learn from this, can i suggest the next petition michael does has either a picture of a cat on it that we claim tim fisher is mistreating, or a dying child whose last wish is to see ccfc home.

tim fisher ate my hamster

smoo310pusb · Aug 13, 2014

duffer said:
I'm sorry, but this is bullshit. What gets men into life-changing trouble with regard to rape and sexual assault is not understanding that no means no. A girl being pissed, and/or stoned, and/or wearing a short-skirt is no excuse for the kind of chickenshit wankers who struggle to understand that simple fact.

Evans was convicted, that's a matter of public record. He had his day in a court of law, and a judge and a jury convicted him. If you've got some facts at your disposal that could overturn his conviction, go to the police with them. Otherwise this looks a lot like you've got some kind of issue with women, and the actual facts are just a sideline to your problem.

Marlon King still pled his innocence with regard to sexual assualt too, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. It's the act of a coward. A man who can't accept what he does is wrong, isn't likely to change. Guess where he is now.

I'm a married man with 2 Children, I have no issues with women, there are lots in my life. Your overly stated opinion accumulated that from one post.

We all have different opinions of course.

Otis · Aug 13, 2014

smoo310pusb said:
At your age, it would probably be best that you sat that one out.

These days I sit just about everything out to be honest.

shmmeee · Aug 13, 2014

Deleted member 5849 said:
Which is fine... if they accept their guilt.

Have nothing against people who make mistakes and want to move on. People who make mistakes and protest otherwise however...

So we should punish the genuinely innocent who are wrongly convicted more? (Not saying this is the case here, but that does happen)

Why?

You already get time off for admitting the crime, good behaviour, etc. Who are you to decide to mete out further punishment?

Deleted member 5849 · Aug 13, 2014

shmmeee said:
So we should punish the genuinely innocent who are wrongly convicted more? (Not saying this is the case here, but that does happen)

Why?

You already get time off for admitting the crime, good behaviour, etc. Who are you to decide to mete out further punishment?

Aha, the genuinely innocent but convicted line.

In which case, SISU really did win the JR...

It's not really punishment to not want people muttering about being humbled in the convict's presence, not wanting people who work for womens' charitees ridiculed and insulted for having a view, and not really punished by suggesting they shouldn't just walk straight into the job they had before at a huge salary... because they can knock the ball in the net.

shmmeee · Aug 13, 2014

Deleted member 5849 said:
Aha, the genuinely innocent but convicted line.

In which case, SISU really did win the JR...

It's not really punishment to not want people muttering about being humbled in the convict's presence, not wanting people who work for womens' charitees ridiculed and insulted for having a view, and not really punished by suggesting they shouldn't just walk straight into the job they had before at a huge salary... because they can knock the ball in the net.

I like my legal system along the whole "Rather 100 guilty men go free than 1 wrongly convicted" lines. As I said, not passing comment on a particular case, just stating that it is a viable use case in this scenario, are you comfortable making that trade off? Personally, I'm not.

I also believe you don't rehabilitate someone into society by ostracising them. But that's an argument for another day.

Edit: Marlon King, Sisu, and countless Year 8 boys certainly do test this argument. What do you do to someone who continually reoffends/shows disregard for the system? But I think you can account for repeat offenders without treating everyone like them. (Side note: I have no idea if this is the first time for Evans or a pattern of behaviour).

Deleted member 5849 · Aug 13, 2014

You probably don't rehabilitate people by indulging them either.

shmmeee · Aug 13, 2014

Deleted member 5849 said:
You probably don't rehabilitate people by indulging them either.

We sent the guy to prison. Hardly indulging him.

The question is at what point do you allow people to re-enter society? If it's never, then just support the death penalty, it's cheaper.

Deleted member 5849 · Aug 13, 2014

When they come out we do indeed indulge them.

Or we do, at least, with footballers.

Others can never work in their chosen profession again, if they commit the type of crime Evans has... you for one, I suspect! That, of course, is not the same as ostracising them...

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