Sky Blue Harry H
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Gadzooks. me doth think thou hast been transported from another era, sir!
Sheer happenstance
why would we not include player sales in our self sufficiency calculationI don't know where this myth of the club being self sustaining has come from. Fisher's probably only ever truthful comment has always been that we'd only ever be self sufficient if we have a fairly significant player sale or two every season.
Otherwise, we are entirely dependant on the owners.
Maybe you’re right. It isn’t.This probably isn't the thread for it, but I think, as much as people have frankly detested SISUs actions at times, their decision to make us relatively self-sustaining has been justified several times over during the past few months.
Including is of course.Poor old Mel, he only got £450m when he sold King (owners of Candy Crush) a few years ago...
Looking at this list of owners List of owners of English football clubs - Wikipedia he's not the only multi-multi-millionaire. You want a bail-out guys? Get to fuck.
Because it is unsustainablewhy would we not include player sales in our self sufficiency calculation
if that is the business model - Develop players and sell them at a profit
I think we are still probably just short of self sufficiency, however the current model is sell high, replace, develop, sell
why would we not include player sales in our self sufficiency calculation
if that is the business model - Develop players and sell them at a profit
I think we are still probably just short of self sufficiency, however the current model is sell high, replace, develop, sell
It won’t be Bristol City they are bankrolled by Steve Lansdown worth 2 billion.I'd imagine this is a couple of the big teams who are constantly pushing for the playoffs (e.g. Bristol City, Derby) and a couple of lower teams (e.g Wycombe.)
why would we not include player sales in our self sufficiency calculation
if that is the business model - Develop players and sell them at a profit
I think we are still probably just short of self sufficiency, however the current model is sell high, replace, develop, sell
Add the fact they decided to pay Rooney fuck knows how much. Fuck him.Poor old Mel, he only got £450m when he sold King (owners of Candy Crush) a few years ago...
Looking at this list of owners List of owners of English football clubs - Wikipedia he's not the only multi-multi-millionaire. You want a bail-out guys? Get to fuck.
couple of my derby mates say rooney is on 50k a week. Seems a lot for an old knacker.Add the fact they decided to pay Rooney fuck knows how much. Fuck him.
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It’s being paid by the sponsor so they saycouple of my derby mates say rooney is on 50k a week. Seems a lot for an old knacker.
Every little helps i suppose...It’s being paid by the sponsor so they say
There's no reason for them to exist. Every contract should have a clause about wage reductions in the event of relegation.
Reminds me of bankers attitude pre 2008. Let's gamble, if it goes well we can privatise and keeep the profit and if we screw up the public purse can bail us out.Survival is critical this year. Just fear if we go down league one is going to get cut adrift. Clubs like us, Barnsley, Luton etc have spent wisely given the challenges of this year but others have been daft still. Kind of feels like they spend just expecting they will get bailed out
Spot onIf they need a bailout (as an alternative to going into admin) then they should be deducted points. Maybe 5 or 6 points or something if they need a bridging loan from the EFL against future TV revenue in order to pay off some player contracts.
Ok, so they could argue that they didn’t see the pandemic coming - but even so they should have trimmed their squads over the last 6 months. If CCFC, Luton, Barnsley etc. can break even on TV and advertising and shirt sales then other clubs should get in the real world and compete on equal terms.
My thought process would be that the PL gives the EFL a pot of money for emergency bailout which can then be loaned (not given) to clubs in exchange for a points penalty depending on the amount. When EFL loans are in place, clubs are put under a transfer embargo and there could even be certain cost-cutting strings attached to adhere to before that embargo is lifted.
Make it a last resort option to avoid clubs taking the piss.
Probably the simplest way is to ask clubs to put forward accounts showing what they have lost due to covid. You can't be bailing teams out because they decided to spend too much on wages or transfer fees.If a bail out is to happen there has to be a formula and consequences for clubs needing / taking it. Imagine if a £50M pot was divided equally between a certain number of teams, for some it may still not be enough to save them. Say one club needed £10M of the pot to survive, can anyone imagine clubs that can manage without a bail out saying OK fair enough, they need it more than we do?
Not really as Players would then insist on a clause to protect them by allowing a free transfer clause as well.
It's not just a Championship thing. Big Mad Andy is screaming for a bailout while he goes ahead with building work
But isn't it reasonable for the PL, EFL, FA or whatever to say that they're not going to pay for them to go on and build a new stand?It's Planning Permission, doesn't state that building work has commenced.
But isn't it reasonable for the PL, EFL, FA or whatever to say that they're not going to pay for them to go on and build a new stand?
To be honest if they have the finances in place to build the stand, that should be taken into consideration regarding a potential bail out for them. The building work has to commence within 5 years for the current permission to be valid. At the very least he should have kept any announcement low key, and stated that the stand will only be built if finances allow at some future date.It's Planning Permission, doesn't state that building work has commenced.
I can't see any responsible organisation commiting to build contracts before planning permission is grantedIt is, but it doesn't mean that any bailout is for spending on a new stand. There might be capital in place and contracts agreed for the construction already. It is not Andy Holt's fault that the government has banned fans from attending matches. No point in getting a club to burn through its cash reserves now as it just pushes the bailout back.
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