Is this Andrew Driver in a foreign accent??- Anders Dreyer (RW)
He’s now a regular starter for them in the premier leagueDo you think Sunderland really got value from that? Their form after his signing was terrible
My forecast for JanuaryMy ideal January
Sell/Loan
- Jake Bidwell (sell)
- Miguel Angel Brau (loan)
Sign
- Souffian Al Karouni (LB)
- Patrick Berg (DM)
- Anass Memehti (AM)
- Anders Dreyer (RW)
Think at a good club, manager and his coaching staff will have a very major say in recruitment. Think fail safes are in place to prevent some stupid decisions being made based on sentiment or a mate of the manager.Still think it's mad that the person who has to pick the team, tactics and coach the players doesn't get the final say on who those players might be. Instead someone detached day to day from that is.
Of course a manager can screw up signings. If they screw up too many they should get the sack, and poor signings leading to poor results would probably see to that. But a director of football and scouting team could screw up signings too. And IMO are more likely to compared to a manager and his coaching staff. If a manager is old-fashioned and doesn't want to use the data and analytic tools at the club's disposal, then fire them (or don't hire them in the first place), but if they're getting on board with that and listen to what the scouts/data says, why shouldn't they then get to choose which players out of that the club sign.
DoF can get involved with the business details of transfer and player contracts (pretty much doing what a CEO/COO would do at a smaller club) and can run any specific players requested by the manager through the scouting team and choose whether to pursue it, but a manager should ALWAYS have veto on any signings suggested by the scouting team/DoF.
Saddo that I am, I have read several articles out there outlining how recruitment at top clubs now operate. Some have a coach who works with the players they are given and rarely get involved. Hence the rise of Directors of Football and star recruiters payed very big money. Some have a big involvement but not the final say. I am sure some have the final say but it is no longer the norm at the top clubs, which it was years ago. The example often given is Rodgers at Liverpool who demanded to operate as an old school manager, and despite top player recommendations, screwed up.I think this is not quite right.
Yes the power and approach has shifted totally from the days of a manager and a few scouts watching matches in midweek as a way to identify and recruit players. Those days are gone.
But Robins and Lampard did / do have the final say on whether a recommended player joins the club. However given the international nature of the market now all managers are now much more vulnerable to the recommendations of the head of recruitment. Many will be players they had not heard of or watched when the recruitment team first mentioned them at a meeting.
Grimes is not evidence that they don’t have Final say Grimes is evidence that he was a long term target of the recruitment team that both Robins and Lampard wanted. For varying reasons he joined us under Lampard.
The argument came up whe. Robins was sacked. Ultimately it’s more cost effective this way.Saddo that I am, I have read several articles out there outlining how recruitment at top clubs now operate. Some have a coach who works with the players they are given and rarely get involved. Hence the rise of Directors of Football and star recruiters payed very big money. Some have a big involvement but not the final say. I am sure some have the final say but it is no longer the norm at the top clubs, which it was years ago. The example often given is Rodgers at Liverpool who demanded to operate as an old school manager, and despite top player recommendations, screwed up.
The point I was making about Grimes was it was a masterstroke that was already in the making, and not suddenly a brilliant Lampard choice out of nowhere.
Moyes said he simply could not afford a decent striker at West Ham and is experiencing the same problem at Everton.If Leeds want to give us £15m for Wright I'd take it, add another £5m and buy a striker who would cut it next year.
I know I'm in a minority not rating Haji that highly. I'm not saying he's shit. I'm not a racist. I just don't rate him as much as some of you.
Make me an offer and I'll get back to you.Wonder if Brighton would consider recalling Cozier Duberry from Bolton and sending him to us in January? Looks way to good for league 1.
Great shoutWonder if Brighton would consider recalling Cozier Duberry from Bolton and sending him to us in January? Looks way to good for league 1.
I don't think the Le Fee transfer was one easily done tbh, I also don't think we'll be breaking a wage structure until we're actually promoted, so while I think we'll do our best to bring in players we think could step up to the Prem, they'll still be more on the side of 'potential'. You're frankly not going to get a definite Prem starter for fees of around £4-6 million which will be the kind of value we are after.
Exciting regardless, I think we have a very good record with our transfers recently.
I disagree, he’s very good. 20 million isn’t a lot by today’s standardsAlso feel Sunderland overpaid for him. He has been decent, but certainly not £20 million decent.
I disagree, he’s very good. 20 million isn’t a lot by today’s standards
They had him on loan initially with an obligation to buy if they went up. I would have no issue us signing a high quality player in a similar dealFair but compared with some of Sunderland’s other recruitment, based on price you have to say he’s not one of their best value signings surely? I’m not saying he’s not good - he is, but when you consider their other recruitment, he doesn’t even make the top 5 in terms of value / importance to the team.
Pair of chinosMake me an offer and I'll get back to you.
They had him on loan initially with an obligation to buy if they went up. I would have no issue us signing a high quality player in a similar deal
Three pairs, salmon pink, or no deal.Pair of chinos
I believe we're looking at Dyson Airblade as an alternative to Anders DreyerMy ideal January
Sell/Loan
- Jake Bidwell (sell)
- Miguel Angel Brau (loan)
Sign
- Souffian Al Karouni (LB)
- Patrick Berg (DM)
- Anass Memehti (AM)
- Anders Dreyer (RW)
Not necessarily because there have been games where they've both thrived. Different tools for different jobs and think Simms would be better suited in a 2 man strike partnership where games are expected to be tighter. There's a lot of tough away days upcoming where it makes sense to start him, PNE and Boro strike me as two games he should start.Do you think that sometimes Wright and BTA hinder each other? It's a discussion that was being had around me during the Sheff Utd game and i've been thinking about it since.
I think early on it wasn't a problem when we had Rudoni in the 10 and BTA was covering injuries out wide. Thinking about recent performances though, i already have the opinion that Wright misses Rudi in behind in, but perhaps they both tend to gravitate to the same areas naturally and end up getting under each others feet in a way.
It's a difficult but good dilemma for Lampard to have when Rudoni comes back to full fitness.
Wright, BTA and Simms are 3 very different types of forwards and shouldn't be compared or pit against one another. We want them all hungry and playing well when they feature as this is what we'll need to get through a long season.
I think Wright should always start as he is capable of turning a game in a moment and is our main man, but with him missing Rudi, perhaps Simms could have come on earlier a couple of times, especially when we are away from home at least.
So we expecting Rudoni on the bench for West BromNot necessarily because there have been games where they've both thrived. Different tools for different jobs and think Simms would be better suited in a 2 man strike partnership where games are expected to be tighter. There's a lot of tough away days upcoming where it makes sense to start him, PNE and Boro strike me as two games he should start.
Until Rudoni is fully fit, 4-4-2 is definitely the best system for us and it's tactically versatile for the preferred 11 as all 4 forward players are to some extent, comfortable in each position when attacking the space. What Sheff U in particular highlighted was that we are at our best with 2 attacking wingers rather than Haji/BTA on wing.
This changes once Rudoni returns because he is still our most influential player when he's on form and plays a crucial role in creating overloads in wide channels and also arriving into the box for headers last season. The only potential issue is that because BTA/Wright have had such good goalscoring seasons, who starts? Imo, Haji is a better player than BTA, so I agree with you there - you can't ignore the BTA's form right now.
We'll see how things develop over the next few games because the fixtures we have will really test the group and if we come out of it on top, we can be v confident going into the Jan transfer window where we should add some quality to the squad.
Is that official? He's back on the grass now so my assumption is that he and EMC will be cleared to take part v WBA. Which is a big, big game because it's one of the 'easier' games we have between now and Xmas.So we expecting Rudoni on the bench for West Brom
Brilliant
On the grass on his own which means no contact. Lets see when he joins in full training.Is that official? He's back on the grass now so my assumption is that he and EMC will be cleared to take part v WBA. Which is a big, big game because it's one of the 'easier' games we have between now and Xmas.
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