David O'Day
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Not saying ahead of anyone, just if he's in the middle he can left the other 2 carry the ball etc.
I think it’s no secret that I don’t rate Hyam at all at this level, but maybe. It’s his distribution I have the most issues with. Not sure I’d have him ahead of McFadzean based on last season though.
I agree with that 100%. Lack of fitness left me a bit concerned made a few mistakes and generally worried me. However I think he’s a great player and it was all down to lack of games.When Rose came into the side later in the season his use of the ball was revolutionary TBH. Stopped the awful “to the wing back, back to you, turn like an oil tanker, to the other CB, get it back, lump it up, lose possession” we’d been cursed with.
Rose does have something him and the moneyball football stats crowd seem to love him.
I agree with that 100%. Lack of fitness left me a bit concerned made a few mistakes and generally worried me. However I think he’s a great player and it was all down to lack of games.
For me you need defenders who can pick a pass or you need a big lump up front to win headers from the long balls forwards (or some pace if they’re over the top). Personally I’d like us to keep being a team that builds from the back so I really want Rose to progress.
I/ can't see MR not building towards a team have is comfortable playing out from the back
Never turn your nose up at a bean pole centre forward for some last minute lumping it into the box.Yeah our lack of signing some giant forward gives me hope.
Is Clarke-Salter actually any good? Both Sunderland and Blues fans have told me he's dreadful.
Not sure I've ever watched him play so not sure if they're just winding me up.
Debec, Shearer, Reece-Cooke, Hyldegaard.
Yep, spoiled!
Sunderland ?Is Clarke-Salter actually any good? Both Sunderland and Blues fans have told me he's dreadful.
Not sure I've ever watched him play so not sure if they're just winding me up.
No he’s not?Sunderland ?yeah they know what their on about he’s England under 21 captain
Murphy's an interesting one - Jim Blyth used to absolutely slate him whenever he was summariser on CWR!The last genuinely class keeper we had was Westwood I'd say. People like Murphy- solid enough but they wouldn't help you win points, Westwood could.
Never turn your nose up at a bean pole centre forward for some last minute lumping it into the box.
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No he’s not?
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Says here he is
Murphy's an interesting one - Jim Blyth used to absolutely slate him whenever he was summariser on CWR!
I wouldn't go that far, but I do sometimes wonder if spectacular is, half the time, because a keeper's positioning is a bit out.
I really didn't rate Hedman, mainly for the reasons stated above. Even though Oggy was past it by that point, I always felt the defence looked somehow more secure with him there, as he could communicate with them, get them working as a unit better - and Hedman was prone to the spectacular, but I'm not entirely sure that wasn't just because he was a bit off with his positioning.Murphy would save the ones he should be saving, but Westwood was the last one I think where he’d save the ones he had no right to get near.
I think its right that we were a bit spoiled with Ogrizovic and Hedman, I remember when Hyldegaard started and the difference between a Premier League keeper and… well Hyldegaard became rather apparent, it was a huge shock. Poor old Scott Shearer though- one of those where you actually felt sorry for him.
I really didn't rate Hedman, mainly for the reasons stated above. Even though Oggy was past it by that point, I always felt the defence looked somehow more secure with him there, as he could communicate with them, get them working as a unit better - and Hedman was prone to the spectacular, but I'm not entirely sure that wasn't just because he was a bit off with his positioning.
Considering Alan Hodgkinson had a stellar reputation as a goalkeeping coach, to bring us Debec and Shearer wasn't his best reference!
(I forgot Clayton Ince as another we were spoiled with, btw!)
I'd forgotten him! His Wikipedia entry is tantalisingly surreal!Pegguy Arphexad
Wikipedia said:Rumours surfaced that Arphexad turned to making pornographic content after a failed career in acting. However, in an interview with the Leicester Mercury he denied it, saying that he works in sports insurance.
A fully fit Dabo is one of our best players. Amazing that people write him off based on a few performances when he clearly wasn't fit.A fully fit Dabo can step up
Yet you rate Ostigard who passing is obviously far worse? Hyam was playing on the left too.I think it’s no secret that I don’t rate Hyam at all at this level, but maybe. It’s his distribution I have the most issues with. Not sure I’d have him ahead of McFadzean based on last season though.
Rose is a good player who wasn't fully fit last seasonRose does have something him and the moneyball football stats crowd seem to love him.
Yet you rate Ostigard who passing is obviously far worse? Hyam was playing on the left too.
I'd forgotten him! His Wikipedia entry is tantalisingly surreal!
What about his last years number 2 shirt still being available ?Can't see any scenario where we sign Østigård this season unfortunately.
Same with Ostigard. Totally at sea against QPRIt’s not just Hyams passing I don’t rate (and it’s his pass selection rather than his completion rate I have an issue with), several forwards made him look silly last season.
Montgomery was so bad he took up cricket!Here is the full list of shame- all our goalkeepers since relegation... there are some names in here I genuinely have zero memory ofIain Turner?
01/02
Magnus Hedman 35
Andy Goram 6
Tim Flowers 5
Chris Kirkland 1
02/03
Morten Hyldegaard 27
Fabien Debec 11
Gary Montgomery 8
03/04
Scott Shearer 30
Gavin Ward 12
Pegguy Arphexad 5
04/05
Luke Steele 32
Scott Shearer 8
Ian Bennett 6
05/06
Marton Fulop 31
Stephen Bywater 14
Clayton Ince 1
06/07
Andy Marshall 41
Luke Steele 5
07/08
Dimitrios Konstantopolous 22
Andy Marshall 16
Kasper Schmeichel 9
08/09
Kieran Westwood 46
Andy Marshall 2
09/10
Kieran Westwood 44
Dimitrios Konstantopolous 2
10/11
Kieran Westwood 41
Iain Turner 2
Danny Ireland 1
11/12
Joe Murphy 46
Chris Dunn 2
12/13
Joe Murphy 46
Chris Dunn 2
13/14
Joe Murphy 46
14/15
Ryan Allsopp 24
Lee Burge 18
Jamie Jones 4
15/16
Reice Charles Cook 37
Lee Burge 9
16/17
Lee Burge 33
Reice Charles Cook 15
17/18
Lee Burge
Liam O'Brien 7
18/19
Lee Burge 40
Liam O'Brien 4
David Stockdale 2
19/20
Marko Marosi 34
20/21
Ben Wilson 27
Marko Marosi 20
Murphy was very overated imo
Westwood our last great keeper. Surprise this career didn't go on the heights I expected.
The only one I don’t remember is Jamie Jones. Absolutely no recollection of him whatsoever.Here is the full list of shame- all our goalkeepers since relegation... there are some names in here I genuinely have zero memory ofIain Turner?
01/02
Magnus Hedman 35
Andy Goram 6
Tim Flowers 5
Chris Kirkland 1
02/03
Morten Hyldegaard 27
Fabien Debec 11
Gary Montgomery 8
03/04
Scott Shearer 30
Gavin Ward 12
Pegguy Arphexad 5
04/05
Luke Steele 32
Scott Shearer 8
Ian Bennett 6
05/06
Marton Fulop 31
Stephen Bywater 14
Clayton Ince 1
06/07
Andy Marshall 41
Luke Steele 5
07/08
Dimitrios Konstantopolous 22
Andy Marshall 16
Kasper Schmeichel 9
08/09
Kieran Westwood 46
Andy Marshall 2
09/10
Kieran Westwood 44
Dimitrios Konstantopolous 2
10/11
Kieran Westwood 41
Iain Turner 2
Danny Ireland 1
11/12
Joe Murphy 46
Chris Dunn 2
12/13
Joe Murphy 46
Chris Dunn 2
13/14
Joe Murphy 46
14/15
Ryan Allsopp 24
Lee Burge 18
Jamie Jones 4
15/16
Reice Charles Cook 37
Lee Burge 9
16/17
Lee Burge 33
Reice Charles Cook 15
17/18
Lee Burge
Liam O'Brien 7
18/19
Lee Burge 40
Liam O'Brien 4
David Stockdale 2
19/20
Marko Marosi 34
20/21
Ben Wilson 27
Marko Marosi 20
Still young enough he'd be a viable transfer target, it seems!Jamie Jones
Still young enough he'd be a viable transfer target, it seems!
Wigan will be surprised!He took up snooker according to google
Wigan will be surprised!
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